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Discussion: a question,or poll if ya wanna call it that

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March 25, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
a question,or poll if ya wanna call it that
would you go play in a tourney that uses ASA equipment,bats,balls only(98 mph).

next what about USSSA equipment,bats and balls only(bpf 1.20 test for USSSA).

or a combo of either assoc,bats and balls.
March 25, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Robert,
I love the game so much, I would play if they used tennis rackets and tennis balls. BTW, you hit the ball well in Georgetown, or you did at least against us.
Good Luck this year.
March 25, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
yeah Did against most that day,made 2 outs all day.now i need to keep it going for the rest of the year,good luck to you and see ya in baytown hopefully.
March 25, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Me too, I was 7-9 in the 3 games we played on Saturday, then rain, rain,rain !
March 25, 2010
LP
281 posts
i like the SSUSA rules, the bats and balls have been good since i first played ssusa from 2004 till now.
March 25, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Me too, I was 7-9 in the 3 games we played on Saturday, then rain, rain,rain !
March 25, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Sorry,
My bad..........hit the "post message" button twice I guess !
March 25, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
LP,
Are ya'll going to Baytown ?
March 25, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
LP,ok that is what we use now,i'm asking would you go play the other if we didn't have ssusa or spa to play.
March 25, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
mad dog,

If we didn't have SPA or SSUSA, we would have to go play them, what else would there be to play ?
March 25, 2010
Player25
Men's 55
51 posts
I prefer to play using the asa or usssa equipment. It brings defense more into the game. I believe it makes for a better game. It also reduces the number of players who hit home runs. I am not a fan of the 3 to 10 pitch height or the 1-1 count.
March 25, 2010
LP
281 posts
mad dog i might go play that was the only game in town, but it seems that the assoc's keep trying to dumb down the game. my thought would be if you cant stand the heat get off the field.
March 25, 2010
LP
281 posts
#6 no we arent playing baytown, we got to many that cant play on friday. good luck to you all.
March 26, 2010
Rev.
Men's 50
18 posts
I would play ASA if their no other game around, but I would take 120 bats over 98 's any day of the week, the new ASA bats truly stink! and they are very expensive , SSUSA is the best around ,{ NSA next then Utrip} best bats by far, best tourneys, really fruit& water in the dug outs !and none of that crap music these kids lesson to these days! I'm not a real big fan of the mat , but I cant have it all ! I guess? As Senior's we get to play with the best bats in the world! Never take that away from us! some of the utrip bats are as good as Ultra 2's , God bless you!
March 26, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Player, I agree on ALL counts.

NO need for special bats, and 3' arc takes all the slow out of slow-pitch.
March 26, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
LP,
I also understood we were NOT going to play anymore Spa because of the Friday start times, I guess everybody voted and said to play this one.
March 26, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
personally i would be happy with ASA balls and usssa bats.we do not need the super bats to play,lets bring some defense back into the game.

#6 i think maybe we(the spurs)ought to look into maybe not going to tourney's that start on fridays as we have at least half our team still works.also we have to pay for an extra night's stay,where the other div's still only pay for 2 nights instead of 3 like we have to.i think we are paid up for 2 or 3 tourneys as of the moment,and ya know how spa is about giving back money for tourney's.
March 26, 2010
titanhd
Men's 50
328 posts
ASA is fine with me. Any of you guys played a ASA national.If not you're missing out.Best run tourneys I've played as a Senior.ASA Balls and bats are not an issue either-I leave my ego at home.
March 26, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
While I do like the use of Senior Bats, I must admit that the ASA Nationals in Burlington last year were great. We had some real competitive games in the 55 AAA division, with one of the scores of our game, against HME, I believe was 37 - 34. So the bat & ball combo used there was very good.
March 26, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
titan,diehard, basically the point i'm trying to get across,we don't need the super equipment to have to play.i can still hit very good and even get some out every now and again with ASA equipment,lie it should be.i should not be able to hit one out every time i come to bat.hell last weekend in our senior tourney i was able to misshit a ball a little and it still went out,that's not right or good for the senior game,and that's what happens with the senior bats we are allowed to use at this moment.

oh by the way the ASA ball has the same specs as our senior ball,and the new usssa balls are not as good as the senior and ASA ball.mmmmm could usssa be trying to tell us something.
March 26, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
oops it should of read- with asa equipemnt,like it should be.-
March 27, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
mad dog,

I understand what you are saying. And Dirty has been saying pretty much the same thing for some time. The argument being a saftey concern, and how this equipment alters the game to a point to where the game itself is affected. Both points I understand, however, I like the use of senior bats, and will continue to do so until they outlaw them. But, I could play without them and would not stop playing if they did. It's the game that I love, and I loved the game long before this equipment was around. Have you ever stood on the field, when a team mate come up to you and shows you the latest, and soon to be hottest bat out? Guys start to drool over the bat just like the younger generations do over the latest electronic equipment out. At our age, our time on the field of play is lessening with each swing of the bat, so I say let the seniors enjoy the thrills of these hits that the senior bats provide them, while they can!
March 27, 2010
DCPete
234 posts
We've played in a local single-wall league where home runs are almost never hit and everyone still seems to have a good time.
But almost all the guys want to use their Ultras & Combats when traveling to a tournament, even if they're strictly singles hitters.
The Home Run derby effect that these senior bats create really only seems to be an issue for the Major Plus division. For everyone else, the bats do put a lot more offense in the games, but not necessarily HRs.
March 27, 2010
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Bob, You misshit a ball for a HR last weekend in Georgetown? You forgot to mention how hard the wind was galing out!! LOL. Hope you guys took it easy on our old cripples!
March 28, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
diehard/DCPETE,i actually i agree with what is said by you both.the lower levels tho,should be the very group that doesn't need the senior bat.most of them are slightly lower in ability's(otherwise they most likely would be playing upper),or older guys playing down age group's. i just would like to see some balance,thanks for all the good input.

March 28, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
larry,it wasn't blowing that hard,LOL,besides it was jim c pitching and we bp occ together.hey i'm in your age group now.

also hope everything is better,hope to see ya's at mustang.
March 29, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Two serious injuries at the Spring Worlds this weekend, a face shot on a Mens pitcher and a head shot on one of the Womens SS, both were carted to the Hospital.
I like most love my Senior bats but would give them up to bring defense back. I can count pretty high but couldnt count how many guys I saw playing infield in the outfield. Then trying to make a throw to first. How fun is that? Whether they play back to save themselves from injury or to give themselves more range is a personal issue I believe, but not one we should have to make.
6 to 12 arc works for now.
March 29, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2634 posts
Two injuries with guys that I know. About 3 weeks ago our ss took a bad hop off an ASA bat and hit him on the bridge of his nose between the eyes. It bled (sp?) some and he returned to play the next game. He had two black eyes the next day.
Another was hit by a bad hop in Montgomery, I'm assuming off a senior bat as I wasn't there. Three days later had two black eyes.
It seems like more time needs to be spent on infield prep.
March 29, 2010
ChiPrimeMarty
Men's 55
65 posts
I'd like Senior Softball to use ASA bats, or USSSA at the most. With bats like the Ultra2 hitting a home run isn't much of an accomplishment, and a hard line drive with a little loft can clear the fence for an out if your team has already hit the max for the game.

Given the fact that our reflexes aren't as fast as they used to be, the current Senior bats no doubt cause more injuries -- and does all this technology-driven power really improve the game?
March 30, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
i play in a league with the kids and we use ASA pitching and ball use.our bats only have to have an assoc stamp.generally it is a good game and not a whole lot of life threatening shots,people still get their hr's(the ones who really deserve them)and hit the ball hard. yes it does mean some of the kids will get a hold of an older u-2 and even the gray ultra,that's when it can get to a tiny bit scary.
March 30, 2010
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
Is an ASA ball a 44/375?

Hitting that ball on a hot day with an ASA rated bat does not sound like any fun. I agree that a senior bat is overkill and the 1:20 bats are great.
March 30, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
yes it is,but i have been told that the senior ball is a tiny bit smaller(11 3/4 vs 12") and weighs .5 oz less than the ASA ball.

yes it can get frustrating with certain balls,some mfg's better than others.also storage is a factor,need to keep balls in a cool place,at least under 72 degrees.


hey jimmy do i get to play with ya's this year.:):)
March 30, 2010
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
mad dog - Playing with you in Huntsman and watching you trying to drink beer has always been a lot of fun. I would hope and think George would want you to play. I will check with him.
March 30, 2010
titanhd
Men's 50
328 posts
I guess getting old allows us to sit around and think about,tlak about bats and balls.Just to think that this game started with wooden bats and 16 inch Clincher softballs and now it matters which bats we swing,which balls we hit and what tempeture it is when we hit them.It doesn't matter- ASA,SSUSA, NSA,SPA, ISA in each associations acronym the word SOFTBALL appears. Just PLAY!
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