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Discussion: WHO IS THE FAVORITE AT 50 MAJOR WINTER NAT

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April 21, 2010
Paco13
373 posts
WHO IS THE FAVORITE AT 50 MAJOR WINTER NAT
Just wanted to start a little some, some. We are going to destroy people, of course you do not know who we are. So good luck to all of the teams. I guess the M+ team should win it, but personally I doubt it. They will have to give everybody 5 runs and hit only 5 HRs. They will probably hit few for outs. See you guys there on Friday. Please do not hit at me I have a family and plus that your average will go down. LMBO. Good luck guys just having fun. No disrespect intended.
April 21, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Am I wrong thinking you mean the Springnationals?
What teams are entered?
Good luck to all.
I won't be there, too many miles and motel nights requiring too many vacation days when we will play one other team, the best 2 out of 3 games.
April 21, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
Paco 13, It will be tough for the Major-plus team to win it. Giving 5 runs when you can only score 5 runs an inning until open is huge. Plus only being able to hit 5 homeruns. They may do it, but to go through ALL the teams the with equalizer will be a great accomplishment.

This will be a good test for combining the Major and Major-plus divisions.
April 21, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Serious question. What makes a tournament a "national"? Just because that is what the TD calls it?

Used to be there were qualifiers and you had to earn your way in, sort of like the World Series, Super Bowl, NCAA tournament, etc. Now something is just called a national, to the point there are silly things like "Eastern Nationals" as if the East is its own nation.

Why do we allow and encourage the devaluing of what used to be a very meaningful and specific term?
April 21, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
Yea, how many Nationals do we need? You know why they put "Nationals" to a tournament title? $$$$
April 21, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I was sure that is the reason. Just surprised so many guys our age are that gullible.

They might be very nice tournaments, and an achievement to win, just not sure they all have to be called nationals when essentially they are not.
April 21, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
What happened to a good old fashion TOURNAMENT? We played a "Tournament" last week for $325. In July, we will play in the "Western Nationals" for $495 against the same teams at the same complex and have to start on a Friday, miss a days work and the winner gets a patch and a bag. First one was fun, the next one will be fun, but essentally the same thing.
April 22, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Not to mention since when is the West a "nation"?

Shouldn't that, if anything, be the Western Regionals. How do you have a national for half the nation? Just silly!

Beyond silly. Just dumb.
April 22, 2010
wagon487
Men's 50
524 posts
Dirty, your name fits you.
Beyond silly. Just dumb = Dirty
Why don't you do us all a favor and break your computer.
Speaking for the East and West Nation.
April 22, 2010
wagon487
Men's 50
524 posts
oh yeah, no response needed!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 22, 2010
Paco13
373 posts
Dirty, you need to get a life and stop bit----about everything and everybody. Do not like the name of the Tourneys...create your own and name them the Dirty invitational. we play because we like the sport not because the name of a stupid tourney. The name is almost irrelevant. Be happy and thankful that at this age we can still play the game. Good luck to everybody this weekend. Coach I was not talking trash, just trying to have fun.
April 22, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
paco, are you truly as naive as you are sounding? You never heard guys bragging about winning "nationals" that they would not be saying if the tournament was called what it really is?

To MANY there is nothing "irrelevant" about the bogus tournament name.
April 22, 2010
Paco13
373 posts
May 29, 2010 one day only...All are invited to the 1st Dirty National invitational; and on June 5th to the 1st Dirty World invitational. Curveball please bring your boys. Dirty I love you man, hope I get to meet you at a regular tourney without a fancy name; like the Paco Softball extravaganza...Take care Papi. LMBO.
April 22, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Back to my original question, what is the criteria for calling a tournament a "national"? Any at all?

Winter nationals. Spring nationals. Eastern nationals. Western nationals. All sooooo silly.
April 22, 2010
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
FINALLY dirty, you and I agree on something. The National, like The 1st National Bank of Dufer, hell it's only a small town bank, no national anything.

And that dang NHRA. All their big events are nationals. Shouldn't they be the Gatorregionals, the Northstarregionals, or the US Regionals?

And what about the Spring Break Nationals for car audio systems, there isn't a regional to get qualified to this biggie.

Then there's the Snowbird National for RC Racing, The Goode Water Ski National , and the Autograph Nationals for Stock Photo's. There is no qualifying whatsoever for these events either.

And, there's the National Shag Dance Championship. Ask yourself, have you ever seen a regional for this one to qualify?

Then, there's the Liberty Nationals for folkstyle wrestling; never seen any ads for local or regional events for those here in Palm Springs.

On the same subject, what about the Chili Bowl Nationals? How do you qualify? This one creats more gas than any of the others dirty, good thing there isn't qualifying!

The USA Cyclo-Cross Nationals in Bend OR did the double wammie, USA and Nationals, that shouldn't be legal.

Some of the other notables are the Curling Nationals in Kalamazoo and the Summer Nationals for Fencing(largest fencing tournament in the world), but no regional event. Shouldn't it be called the Worlds?

What about the Adirondack Nationals? Hell it sold out in 12 days!

dirty, you are so right. This use of the Nationals term is "sooooo silly."
What shall we do about it? I'm starting a telephone campaign to do away with this silly business.
I'll start with the National Shag Dance Championships. (I think they're using burber anyway)

One would think there were bigger issues in life than to worry about the name of a tournament you weren't planning to play in anyway!
April 22, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
I would guess the Area is where its held and the National indicates it is open to everyone in the Nation.
When you think about it on those terms it doesnt sound so ridiculous. But actually makes sense.
Almost scary that I can think on those terms.
Is the World Series a true representation of the World?
And that Stanley Cup, how do we really know its Stanley's?
Most Superbowls really arent very Super, now are they.
April 22, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
I'd say the Huntsman World Senior Games is about the only one that gets teams from all over the world for the various sports, even if not in all of the 27 or so events.
April 22, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
I agree with E on this one. Calling it a National gives it more appeal than saying the Polk County Senior Softball Early Bird Tournament. That way, those of us with the big egos can grab our Bomb Blastin Bats and tell our friends that we are off to compete in a National Tournament.
April 23, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
diehard, not sure if you are being tongue-in-cheek with that, but if you aren't I completely agree. Like the special bats, calling everything a "national" just feeds the egos of insecure old guys.
April 23, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Dirty this is serious stuff here. I found out that not long ago there was a group of people worried about the deflated egos of insecure old guys. So, they formed an organization that promoted Softball for Seniors. And to lift the egos they had manufacturers, through R&D, invent equipment for seniors to use. Bats that would hit balls much further than one could do in their prime. Lively balls to hit homeruns with. And rules to protect our fragile egos from getting hurt, because we couldn't field these balls. Why they even decided to call tournaments National tournaments to inflate our egos even more. They chose to hold some of these tournaments in Las Vegas, where the air is thinner, and balls fly out of the parks, just incase we dropped a bundle in the casinos. They thought of everything that would help us old insecure men inflate our egos. These are great people, with great minds, who care about us old guys and our egos. They called their organization, SSUSA. I'm proud to say that as an old insecure guy that needs his ego inflated, there is an organization that I can turn to for help. Thanks SSUSA for all you do for us old guys!
April 23, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Not to mention a bunch of guys with apparently more disposable income than they know what to do with.
April 23, 2010
OTE24
Men's 65
122 posts
curveball and diehard you're priceless! Don't young people have Nationals also! We must stop this word from being used. While were at it we should stop people from disposing of their OWN income.
April 23, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
hey dipty ,here is a thought,why don't you ask the TD's of the tourney's why they call them nationals,instead of asking the player's.
April 23, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I believe the young guys do. The obvious difference is they are qualified for, not just pay to get in. You know, like the guys our age used to have to do when we were younger and nationals actually meant something.

sad puppy, you mean the players don't know what it is they are paying for? I know why the TDs call them that, to get the naive and gullible among you to pony up so they can tell their grandkids they are going to "nationals". Same reason many insist on special bats, so they can tell the grandkids they hit a home run (conveniently leaving out that in many cases it is due to someone else's technology).
April 23, 2010
Bob50
Men's 60
240 posts
Dirty, Why do you keep asking the silly question about the word Nationals? It is true that our team (new team Black & Blue) does not "need" to play in a qualifier before going to a National. We are playing in the highest division. We are not trying to play below where we should play. If you believe we don't deserve to play in Major Plus then that would be your uninformed opinion of our new team. Continuing to ask why we don't need to qualify for a National or what makes it a National would be as silly as asking--Did you qualify under the name "Just Messy" before you took the name "Dirty."
April 23, 2010
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Dirty, "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet."
Bob50, If the powers to be chose to call our tournaments "As Whole Slowpitch Gatherings", those of us that love the game and are good enough to compete at the top level would be there to do battle. I'm sure some of the small minded guys, the ones who don't have the talent to compete at any level, would still be counted in the group that did not show, the lack of talent group.
"Just Messy", I count you in that group. You complain about trivial items, never backed up with experience. I believe you are in the wannbe or wishIcould havebeen category.
Play in one of SSUSA top tournaments and then pop off!
Go to Phoenix for the World Championships and then tell me the team that won it wasn't the best in the world that weekend.........
I'm from Missouri, to get my respect, you'll have to SHOW ME!
April 25, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bob, why is it silly to ask what are the requirements to call a tournament a "national"? Do you drink that much of the Kool-Aid that you just don't care?

Who said, or even alluded, that your team might not belong in Major Plus? And what on Earth does that statement you made even remotely have to do with my question?

By the way, just because you are good does not mean you should be in the ultimate event. Kentucky had a pretty good basketball team, but did not get a free pass to the Final Four. The Vikings were a pretty good football team, but still had to play their way in (which they did not) to the Super Bowl.

Again, a VERY simple question. What makes a tournament a "national"? The best I can tell is that the TD decides to call it one, which is kind of weak but the best I have seen.

curve, I see you are one of these guys who wants to make everything a simple-minded "whose d**k is bigger" contest instead of having anything remotely resembling an intellectual conversation. Did you play in the 60s, 70s, and/or 80s? Did you just get a free pass to nationals? Did you whine when you did not and say "but my team is good, and we are willing just to pay to play, so you should put us in"?
April 25, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
By they way, sad puppy I know why the TDs call them that. Because PT Barnum was 100% correct, and they know that.
April 25, 2010
Bob50
Men's 60
240 posts
Dirty,
I think we took up enough of this thread with our back and forth. My email address is rschulz511@aol.com. We can exchange cell phone numbers and discuss anything you would like to discuss. I will try to answer any questions you have. I hope to have the answers that truly provide you with the answers you are after. You can tell me what you mean by kool-aid. Better yet, you are from Ohio. Come to the Brickyard Invitational and we can meet in person if it is worth the drive to you.
April 25, 2010
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Dirty, I'm also checking out after this post, you are worse than immature kid.
Unlike you, I'll let you know when I played, Stated in the late 70's, played for Pizza Baron ASA A. 80's and 90's played Men's Major(open) for Henry Fords/Stark St. Pizza, later called Robbi's.
Didn't get a free pass to any ASA National, won the Regionals every year.(77-85,we went to other associaqtions after 85) No whine because we always went. It was the only event of the year, we went whereever it was, including your state, we played in Parma.
And you are right, I'm a matter of fact type guy, not simple minded as you suggest. We differ in that I'm a no BS man. As a business owner, had no time for it.
I'll give you a chance for board redemption, what was the name and year of the open team you played for, and what University did you get a degree from?
I'll give you the last banter. If you fail to answer the redemption question though, your true colors will be there for eternity for all to see.
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