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| May 13, 2010 Naperville 3 posts | Hot bats I am new to this website so excuse my ignorance, I live in Naperville Il. They have bat testing and only approved bats with the appropriate sticker can be use. Is this not the case in Senior softball? If not, why not? Safety should be the number one priority when guys get to be our age. Why would anyone want to use a bat that could have lethal result? I do not play tournament ball so maybe I just do not understand the mentality. I play on an all age team and a 40+ team and it is very competitive but not tournament. |
| May 14, 2010 Bomber #7 Men's 60 63 posts | Each Association has it's own bat rules. Some do overlap. From what I've read, most fellows on here are tournament players. Most bats have markings as to what Association you can use it in . Saftey hasn't been much of an issue, not that many injuries. Associations have rules implemented for saftey sakes. You don't see a saftey problem at the tournamament level, most players are more skilled than local rec league guys. |
| May 14, 2010 #6 Men's 60 1159 posts | Naperville, Welcome to the website ! What a lot of players are worried about are even when your using a hot senior bat, there players out there that have their bats rolled/shaved. These are the players that need to be removed from our game. The senior bats are hot enough without doing anything to them, as for the stickers, anyone can get stickers, trust me on that !!! |
| July 24, 2011 miken44 72 posts | senior bats are hot i used altered bats when i played with guys because they all had them it wasnt right but everyone used them iam now glad to being senior and using straight bats i swing a miken special edition miken super freak 98 and ultra 2 hit the ball just hard and as far |
| July 24, 2011 gary c 418 posts | Miken44 so what you are saying you cheated If you cheated once who says you won't cheat again Softball and guys cheat my God how can you admit that |
| July 24, 2011 gary c 418 posts | Miken44 so what you are saying you cheated If you cheated once who says you won't cheat again Softball and guys cheat my God how can you admit that |
| July 24, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | We've all made mistakes. It's the sign of nothing. Rolled bats are broken in bats and less lethal than fixed or end loaded bats. Risk and lethality to some degree are present in many to all sports. We must avoid displacing the concern we have for other forms of living and safety into "neutering" something we can finally get our hands on. The "movement" to safe softball is rife with self interest and outside forces that don't have players best interest at heart. We live in a Market run economy and the market place has sadly more to say about what we do than what's best and right for us almost ALL the time. |
| July 24, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | The game isn't our game without lively bats and balls and the basic risk inherent in collisions with bodies and hit/thrown balls. Adrenaline protects us and creates the excitement/energy we produce and experience. |
| July 24, 2011 gary c 418 posts | So you cheat and you teach our kids anything to hit ball far you just let everyone know what kind of a person you are |
| July 25, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Trying to make all of us feel guilty for enjoying a game we been playing since we're babies. This is what/who we're up against, guys and have been all along. This is their character and self interest exposed in broad daylight, for all to witness and see. The usual tiny group of suspects and non-spects exposed and trying to discredit us to take our game away for selfish and ignorant ends. One message and one message only to and for all. Lively bats and balls are the only way to play our game for all concerned and all the right reasons. Anything less and much less as we are witnessing here, is ignorance and self interest talking. |
| July 25, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Joe, why does everyone who disagrees with you have to have a conspiracy or an underlying self-interest that would undermine the senior softball world? Why can't they just prefer the game differently than you without being cast as a leper? It's obvious you have a concern that maybe the equipment could be deemed to lively, it's shows in everyone of your post. |
| July 25, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | You're part of a small group of people, JEFF wittingly or unwittingly who are trying to make US feel bad for playing and wanting to play the game, our game the way we've wanted and been playing it all our lives. Rest assured lively bats/balls is a majority opinion. It's well evidenced and not even close I'm happy to say. You can try to 'shut me up' all you want but killing the messenger never works and won't work this time either. I've never talked wit ONE player anywhere on the planet who wanted to play with compromised/more restricted bats and balls. NOT ONE and you continue to try to discredit ME. It's getting more obvious what we/I'm up against. Keep on truckin'. |
| July 25, 2011 gary c 418 posts | Joe You have admitted in the past that you think rolling a bat is not cheating. IT IS! If you cheat in one thing you would cheat in anything. The game most of us grew up playing was BASEBALL sounds like you only played softball that is why you don't relate to those of us who have played the game all our lives. It's not about hitting the ball a mile it's the game inside the game. Now that we our older most of us don't feel that we have to prove what big men we are we just want to play as long as we can and that's why some of us want to make the game safer. |
| July 25, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | I'll repeat the question: Joe, why does everyone who disagrees with you have to have a conspiracy or an underlying self-interest that would undermine the senior softball world? Why can't they just prefer the game differently than you without being cast as a leper? It's obvious you have a concern that maybe the equipment could be deemed to lively, it's shows in everyone of your post |
| July 25, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3803 posts | well if you swing a rolled bat,your cheating,check all assoc rules,don't care which one,they all consider rolling "altering of a bat" which is illegal,which is cheating.so keep up talking cheater,we now can see who you really are,nothing but a cheater......... |
| July 25, 2011 stick8 1118 posts | A rolled bat is an altered bat. It's sometimes tough to find but there are certain markings on the barrel that indicate rolling. A couple years ago I was umpiring a tournament and a guy was whacking a new ReCoil off a light pole. I told the team manager no one can use that bat and when the player came up with that bat I told him he couldn't swing it. He didn't like it too much but that's the rule around where I live. |
| July 25, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | My dad used to drive the point home to not only his own children, but to every play that ever played for him in all the sports he coached (baseball, softball, basketball, football& hockey) that if your 10% wrong or a 100% wrong. Your wrong. That works in both sports & life. I just can't imagine any adult correcting or disaplining a child whenthey use cheater equipment. Do these parents or grandparents take jr's bat to bat doctor as well? |
| July 25, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | I don't believe the self invented ball police were trying to save us or our game from anything. Anyone who gets us and our game would never champion a bat/ball combo that wasn't fun and satisfying. And all the while trying to turn us into criminals because we're having fun doing what we've always done and wanted to do. Some laws don't make any sense, guys. Some laws aren't worth enforcing or are outdated, Some people use laws like Jim Crow and tax increases, to abuse and denigrate less powerful others. I decide for myself what's moral and isn't fellas. Don't we all? Going 5 mph over the speed limit is against the law but seldom if ever enforced and I do it, all the time. Don't you? I watched the 3rd base coach for the San Francisco Giants run parallel down the third base line encouraging the runner to score. Last I checked there was a coach's box chalked out near 3rd base in foul territory to limit the movement of the coach. And nothing was enforced. Not neither did the other team protest it. How come that was allowed. In an unfair and corrupt society, going along with it and being lawful would be unfair, wouldn't it? |
| July 25, 2011 GaCMan 83 posts | Played in a NSA tourney this weekend in Boaz Ala and couldn't use senior bats only NSA,USSSA bats.Also used the 44/400 balls, this bat ball combo seemed to do very well even in the high heat!!! I think this is a VERY GOOD bat, ball combo. I think before I would want to go to the 52/300 and senior bats I would rather play with the NSA bat,ball combo. There were still some balls flying out of the 300' fences most of our games were upper teens up to the upper 20s. Defense was really awesome as most pitchers were fairly good at handling the up the middle balls. Another plus to this combo these usssa bats really last a lot longer!! Just something to think about???????? On another topic any altering of the bat in any way other than swinging it in a game hitting balls is an ALTERED BAT. KEEP IT SIMPLE, PLAY BALL, THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY GAMES LEFT!!!!!! |
| July 25, 2011 gary c 418 posts | Classic Joe he decides what rules he follows. So with that thinking if you do something wrong I can punch you in the mouth because I think I should decide what you punishment should be. Joe you were a teacher is that what you taught your students? No wonder the California schools are in the crapper |
| July 25, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3803 posts | well just what i would expect from someone who has so little regard for his fellow softballers health or life.just cheat and most likely you can get away with it,what a thing to teach in school.if i'm not caught,i'm not cheating...... g-man sounds good in theory,but with the cheaters in the game,those bats will be shaved and then only the cheaters will prosper.the 52-275/300 ball will not let the cheater prosper,all the bats are basically performing equal with this ball,i have used all the different assoc bats and there is no big difference in them,wish i knew a cheater to be able to test a shaved bat on them,but according to industry tests they do not perform any better than a stock bat that is the reason for the 52 ball,doesn't give an edge to the cheaters,keeps everyone on a level playing field. |
| July 25, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Guy doesn't have the stones or self respect to identify himself and is talking about punching me or anyone in the mouth? That's hysterical. |
| July 25, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3803 posts | yeah right thats what he said.....figures ya can't read..........way to go cheater....... |
| July 25, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Punishing everyone by depriving them of the joy of playing THEIR game cannot be even on the table when trying solve a problem about safety or anything else. If there are cheaters then prosecute and punish THEM. That's how sane, normal and positively developing societies deal with dangerous/immoral behavior and not by punishing everyone for licentiousness of the few. It's not only wrong, it's repressive and will back fire in time. |
| July 25, 2011 gary c 418 posts | Joey Joe It was an example not a threat. You are an admitted cheater you should be banned from future tournaments including that biggie in Frisco the 30 dollar one I might be wrong but I think you are afraid to play the way the game the way it was meant to be played because your lack of defense skills. Second thought I am not wrong. |
| July 25, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | You guys/gals, anonymous and hipocritical are just hysterical. What clowns you are and what entertainment for the rest of us! Keep up the good work. |
| July 25, 2011 gary c 418 posts | Joe my friends know me YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND.Your just a guy who is wrong most of the time. and condones cheating I would never have a friend like that. |
| July 25, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3803 posts | hey whiney,what is the mfg'ers stand on bat rolling,can you answer that simple question........... |
| July 25, 2011 Tater50 325 posts | I played with GaCMan at the tourney this past weekend; there were 4 very competitive teams in the 55's; there was "NO" indication of anyone swinging an illegal bat. Definitely an all around complete type softball game. Very enjoyable: saw defense & players had time to react to the ball. In regards to comments about cheaters: they will not prosper, if players play w/cheaters & continue to uphold their ways; they are just as guilty. I will not cheat & placed a post a few years back about it on this board that on my honor that I'd not cheat; only 1-2 men committed with me; why didn't others? I will quit if the only team that I can play on has cheaters. Tater50 |
| July 25, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3803 posts | tater50 glad you all had a good time there.i don't want to mean senior softball is full of them,but there will be some.i am with you that if i find out a team mate is swinging dirty,i'll talk with him about stopping,if that doesn't work the coach is my next stop.if we as players don't take a stand,the assoc do not care and are not gonna do anything. not sure why no else committed with you,i can't remember if i saw it,i will commit with you now.i go so far as to walking the kids if i know for sure they are swinging dirty when i'm pitching,i'll walk them with 4 crap pitches(or 3 in our 1-1 count leagues),and if they get crappy about it,i'll tell them in a very loud voice for everyone to hear"if ya come to the plate clean,i'll pitch to ya". |
| July 25, 2011 GaCMan 83 posts | I'll stand with TATER any day on this life is to short to have to put up with CHEATERS. We as players should not put up with it, it only happens if we allow it to happen. I WILL NOT PLAY WITH CHEATERS!!!!!! |
| July 25, 2011 ffdonnie Men's 50 69 posts | Wow, are you guys serious? You really think a rolled bat is the same as a shaved bat? I can take my 800 - 1K hit physco and put up against someones 50 hit rolled and YOU will not be able to tell the difference. I don't roll mine because, unlike the younger ADD generation, I like BP. But I don't have my head buried in the sand either like some on here. Time to move on, hey you guys learned to use a computer, right? |
| July 26, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Don, rolling a bat is illegal, period. Regardless if you or I feel it is. For anyone to even suggest it not or it does nothing to enhance the performance is in denial. By suggesting it don't make a difference,is in some cases you giving some folks your approval to give it a try. A rolled bat in many cases are illegal at the 1.20 specs even before their used in games or BP. |
| July 26, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | They are, Donnie. They've been trying to say all along and term us all into 'cheaters' and that cheating is omnipresent so therefore the only alternative is, a dumbed down ball. It's their master plan now in broad daylight. They always balk at ad hoc solutions to safety, HR's, time limits in favor of the "cure all" one size fits all argument that all we have left is to dumb down, which we know means kill, the ball and our game. We've heard them say, Saddy and his effete few, that everyone is dirty and cheating from the jump cause they're on a mission. I don't know anyone who has or swings a loaded/shaved bat yet somehow they know we all are dirty and 'unclean', bent on 'sin and evil-cheating' and only the 52 core Holy Graille can save us and bring us and our game back to PURITY. It's a simple and powerful plan of execution and the same kind of thinking kept the masses suppressed, repressed and in line all through the dark ages and well into the 20th Century i.e. concept of original sin But it just isn't true, dignified or in our best interests and isn't based on who we truly are and need to be or what we need to enjoy/play/invest in, our game. Lively bats and balls are the ONLY way our game can or should be played and the 'mission' to discredit us and our game via some subtle/slick on line entries and outright character attacks is actually part of a self interested perspective and controlling way of thinking about us and our game. Sad and true. |
| July 26, 2011 #19 Men's 60 240 posts | Whinestein is certainly full of himself ... Seems a bit paranoid, too ... "master plan"??? ... "simple and powerful plan"??? ... "mission to discredit us and our game"??? ... Now that is truly sad. |
| July 26, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3803 posts | again i ask,WHAT IS THE MFG'ERS STAND ON THEIR BATS BEING ROLLED".since whiney won't answer, all the ones who think it is ok to do, maybe you can answer. 19 i'm still waiting on this answer also,"WHO IS IN THE BIG CONSPIRACY THAT I'M PART OF,SINCE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING MOENY FROM THEM TO PUSH THE 52 BALL".i want my money........ |
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