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June 7, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
what if
the companies stop making the 40,44 c.o.r. balls and just made the 52-275's b/c of govt and ins companies pressure on them,and the assoc's.
would you/we still play softball,i know i would,what about the rest of you.

please only discuss this issue in this thread and not come in here crying about having to have the hottest equipment to play with.
June 7, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
854 posts
Some would probably whimper like little girls. Those who really love playing the balanced game will play regardless of what is thrown out to the rubber.
We have done it in the past and we WILL do it again when the ball changes.
When we play to win it doesnt matter what or how we hit it. The game will go on.
June 7, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Lively bats and balls forever
and we won't participate or invest
in softball that's not fun
and that would be a MAJORITY opinion,
boys.
Get used to it.
Money and choice rule and we'll always be able to buy what we need to play the game we want and deserve to play
one way or another.
We're not easily scared,
herded and cow-towed
as some are
especially the whiners
and self interested zealots
who tend to appear a lot
on this site.

June 7, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
E4/E6 thank you for your post and for staying on subject,seems some people can't read or refuse to.


wondering if staff could delete all that see fit not to stay on subject, please,i hate a litterer and that is all that is,litter.
June 7, 2010
Omar Khayyam
1002 posts
mad dog. You are basically arguing that we return to the year 2000 where long-lasting, well-made bats ruled supreme and there was still a significant role for defense because the bat/ball combo was not supersonic.

Of course I would play in the conditions you envision, and so would my entire team...and every major and AAA team I have ever played on in the past. After all we are the majority and proved it by our involvement in softball for the past 40 years when the lively bat/ball combo of today was not available.

Of course, we would likely lose our majority of one, if he makes good on his threats. It would be a pity, since he no doubt was a formidable player in the 90s with less than the current senior bats.
June 7, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
yes omar your right.i have heard some rumblings that it will happen as mfg'ers have been getting some pressure along with the assoc's from ins comp and govt trying to get involved.
June 7, 2010
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Maddog to answer your question I like the faster speed of the game. Whatever combo provides the faster pace is what I would play. As to the long lasting well made bats of the year 2000, that is not what I remember the EST's and Demarini that I remember dented like cheap beer cans.
June 7, 2010
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
We all have memories.......just not the same. If you could send me back to the year 2000, I would care not which bat or which ball we use.
June 7, 2010
Capt Kirk
410 posts
When the ump yelled play ball, not one of the players on our team would check the core or compression rating of the ball, we would just play.
June 7, 2010
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
403 posts
Capt Kirk...In 2000 SSUSA used the 47/525 ball. I am one who always asked and it mattered to me. Anything less then a 44/525 ball and metal bats is no fun.
June 7, 2010
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
For everyone of your so called majority we have many that disagree.

We have 5 tournament teams in our league and everyone to a man come back from a tournament and say they don't like playing with the Ultra's and that it would be a better game without the senior bats.

You have to get away from your closed circle of friends and get out into the real world of softball.

We banned the Ultra's a few years ago and according to your majority our league should have folded where in fact we have in fact grown from 6 teams to 24 and we are still growing.

Our local league banned all composites a few years ago and went to a deader ball and they are still growing.

So you argument just don't hold water.
June 7, 2010
Capt Kirk
410 posts
I am looking forward, not back ten (10) yrs, bat/ball technology has changed significantly. plus I am ten (10) yrs older, my technology unfortuantely has regressed, I am looking for the fountain of youth pill, but the only thing that I found that helps is two (2) alleves and a bud light.
June 7, 2010
JamesLG
304 posts

It seams kind of fishy to me how the ball issue started as a safety topic and now it is a change the game back to where it was topics. If it was truly about pichers safety there would already be a screen mandatory in front of the box.
I would play with any bat/ball combo that performs. When you hit it on the screws it should go out of the park.

Thaqnks:

James
June 7, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Don't count on them stopping the presses. The mom and pop tourneys & leagues will still be around and they will still make the balls and they will be used, just as some still use the 47\525.
June 7, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
By the way, Yes I'd still play w\the 52 ball, because both teams will be using the same ball.
But it also seems your pushing it quite a lot lately, maybe getting rusty Bob? lol
June 7, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Fred, with all the respect
your 75 and over guys
are a tribute in so many ways
and you can play with square balls
or sponges if you like.
We have over 2000 players who endorse
the NCSSA rules that allow senior bats
and "good" 44x375 balls as a minimum.
I'm not asking you to adopt our standards, Fred and you are wrong to expect me/us to adopt yours.
If you guys wanna play with beach balls
knock yourself out but we prefer
a livelier game, if that's OK with you.
Older doesn't make any of us smarter
or righter, Fred, than anyone else.

June 7, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
There's really no good enough reason
to change/kill the entire senior softball game by going to a 52x275 ball.
After you remove all the self interest
and smoke about safety
there's lots of problems in senior softball and lots of ways to solve them.
What's been lacking is the will
independent of financial interest
to stand up for and against changes/
issues that affect us.
I've talked with lots of seniors
who are disgusted with the senior softball community and have seen those would exploit it for its/our passivity
and apathy.
If we stand for nothing
we'll fall for anything.

That's the real problem.
We need to speak up, make a stand
and be counted irrespective of the consequences or what it may look like.
There's really a lot at stake.
Let's show these few radicals and
exploiters of senior ball
that we won't roll over
and go for whatever "they" decide to
senddown the line.
Lively bats and balls forever.
It's where the fun is
in playing softball.
June 8, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2689 posts
What if the USGA changed its rules to only allow a restricted flight golf ball. How many of you would play?
June 8, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
bruce,ask phil mickelson about rules being changed,also you are not trying to hit someone with a golf ball.golf balls have a test to go thru also.also a lot of course the pro's play now are being lengthen,and made narrower to make it harder for the pro's to play on.

and yes i would still play,what would the problem be.
June 8, 2010
Omar Khayyam
1002 posts
mad dog, if there were a restricted flight golf ball, the courses could be shorter, less maintenance, lower green fees, more emphasis on accuracy and strategy, clubs and balls might last longer, prices would drop, with the advantage of the upper 10% strong boys taken away a bit, more average and older players would be attracted, more courses built as golf's popularity swells, more women start to play, mishit balls don't travel as far so are not as dangerous to adjoining fairways...I guess I end up where you are. What would the problem be (other than for the pros who might grumble a bit, even as our upper 5% boomers grumble about your suggested softball!)?
June 8, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2689 posts
Bob, most softball players aren't trying to hit a player. There is sill a danger that spectators will be hurt.
Omar, it will cost $$ to reconfigure golf courses. As a result, green fees will go up and good tee times will be more difficult to get.
Maybe it will devolve to frisbee golf!
June 8, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bruce.
These guys don't love our game
and it's players.
They're some kind of control freaks
who have to see the game and us
in their own likeness.
If they want a slower game, fine
but not at the expense of the rest.
June 8, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
As long as teams are using the same ball against each other the game is equal in that respect.
As for golf, Tiger would still be looking to use his 'putter' around another 'hole' of a different kind.
But i believe they have restricted\outlawed some balls and clubs or what ever they are, in the past.
June 8, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
bruce,the cost is only in bringing the tees closer to the hole,doesn't take much to pick up a tee marker and move it closer to the hole,and mowing a 20'by 20' patch of grass to tee off from.
hey you ever play frisbee golf,not that easy,i use to play a lot when i was younger.


there you go again running your mouth joey boy without any facts,i've been playing ball for over 50 yrs and at one time go a look see(when i was 18) from the big boys.so don't tell me whether or not i care for this game of softball.your problem is you fail to see how bad the game has evolved,bat cheaters and such.with that comes the toned down ball whether you like it or not,but go ahead and bury your head in the sand.you see what govt has done to pro sports over the steroid issue,its gonna happen with softball at all levels,but hey you don't care you'll quit.
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