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June 8, 2010
Pieman
Men's 50
84 posts
Ratings
I fixed my mispellings.

We the Sweet Construction 55 are getting ready to play this weekend in Salem's ISF Championships in the Major Division.

There are six teams, four rated Major Plus by SSUSA. We are all playing under the Major rules.

I thought that at the summit the organizations agreed to share ratings information.

Do you think it is fair that Pace, Titans, Bass and Doc's Green Canteen are playing as Major teams. They are the four rated as Major Plus.

Also I notice teams rated as Major are playing as AAA this weekend.

I guess there is no sharing of team ratings between organizations.

Mike Santo
Sweet Construction 55
June 9, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Thats RB being RB.
Talked to some of the 55M+ guys last nite and they say it ok with them :)
See you Friday Mike

Ross
June 9, 2010
Paco13
364 posts
If you scared call the police or buy a dog. Very little difference with a HR limit at 6 and then outs. If UR team is as good as the SC 50 major, you will have no problem. Good luck, just joking. See you all down there.
June 9, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Paco I'm not scared and I'm sure Mike is not scared. No dogs needed.
Just stating the facts and what Mike posted is just the facts.

Ross
June 9, 2010
Paco13
364 posts
Ross, Just joking. Relax U can borrow my little Schihtzu for protection. I know they are the facts. The two local teams are playing low levels also. It should be a great tourney. Where RU staying, maybe I can get U some H2O. See U there.
June 9, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Nice Paco H2O is that the best you can do.
NO dogs at the park.
June 9, 2010
jrhunch
92 posts
mike as a player and coach of pace we show up and play wherever they put us and whoever they put us against.we have never played one game in ssusa and many times in rb's tournie.we have never won rb's tournie ,the best finish being second in aaa.you have beaten us 2out of the 3 times we played you over the last 4or 5 years.killing us 2 weeks ago and out homering us 5 to 1.does this make you a major plus team?we have played in rb's tournie for 8 years versus zero years with ssusa.i ask you who's ratings are right?we have no problems with our ratings because we will play anybody.your questions and concerns are very legit and i have know problem with it but every team thinks other teams are sandbagging this is not true for us.good luck this week .keep hitting and stay safe jr#11
June 10, 2010
halmany
19 posts
do not understand the problem Sweet beat everybody in Loudoun and sooner or later should be moved up anyway. that is the problem with all of the associations some teams never get moved while others get bumped and then there are no teams to play, it is a continous problem with the major plus division that needs to be solved. it costs way too much money to play these tourneys for a 2 out of 3 situation.
June 10, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
791 posts
Once again, there are not enough teams in the age groups to warrant 4 divisions. Combine Major-plus and Major. Drop the few Major teams that are at the bottom of Major to AAA. I have never talked with anyone at these tournaments that felt Major and Major-plus shouldn't be combined.

Forcing teams up just because they win a couple of tournaments should not be done.
June 28, 2010
duke1953
Men's 50
16 posts
I know the feeling my team has been playing aaa for three years and has never won a tournament until last years asa national.Playing under different conditions using asa bats only and different balls than the other three orginiztions.They all moved me up to major and other teams we played all year and won smaller tournaments were not moved up.Ssusa moved me back down where i belong but RB says i need to play three major tournaments and be reevaluated.NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.So iwill keep playing ssusa only.They really need for tournament directors to evaluate teams during tournaments,instead of just looking at a team having a good weekend.
June 28, 2010
Sweet P
Men's 60
168 posts
Gents, I've been told by SS-USA that they will be updating their team ratings list this week. Hopefully the new ratings will align with the other two major senior associations.
June 29, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
They can....and will...do that! However, re-rating should be done before, during, or after the season and not during a tournament.
June 30, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
You tellem Mel........Jawood's right 3 divisions is plenty.
June 30, 2010
oneofeleven18
Men's 50
56 posts
Agree Jawood, three divisions.
July 3, 2010
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Sweet P...........Looks like Terry took care of you guys. See you in Dalton.
July 16, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1967 posts
Jawood-3 divisions and/or 50-57, 58-64 age breakdown. It seems like fewer divisions will enable larger brackets. It is easier to win with a 4 or 5 team bracket, though, and with more brackets. Maybe the underlying question is 'overall, do we want fewer opportunities to win a championship?' I wonder.
July 16, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
791 posts
Anything to get more teams! Yes, we want fewer opportunities to win a championship, it makes it much more of an accomplishment if you do win one. The Western Nationals this weekend ... a TWO team bracket - who cares? We do get to play some games which is what we want to do, but this "championship" means nothing. IMO the only championship in SSUSA is the Nationals in Phoenix, all the others are nice to win, but just a tournament.
Jan. 27, 2011
Mario
Men's 50
372 posts
I have only been playing Senior ball 1 year so take this for what its worth. What difference does it make which division you play in when you can only score 5 runs an inning? Major+, Major, AAA,AA all get 5 runs per innings. Even when you get to hit more HR's, you still only get 5 runs per inning. Can someone explain the difference between a team who hits 2 HR's an inning to get their 5 runs and a team who gets 15 base hits to get their 5 runs. There is no difference between these 2 teams. 5 runs is 5 runs. I heard all this talk during the season last year, being a HR hitter myself, HR hitting teams are not neccessarliy better than those with less power. Last year our AAA beat more Major teams than we did AAA teams.If your team consistently scores 5 an inning, you can beat anybody on any given day. Its a mental thing.
Jan. 27, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
791 posts
Mario, you are exactly right, it doesn't take newbies in senior softball long to see this. You have a good attitude. 5 runs IS an equalizer! Really, all that is needed is two divisions, but I have always lobbied for three, and there have been many who agree with that. Unfortunetly, the brass insists on having four divisions which causes a lack of teams in these events.

There is talk of bumping a lot of teams UP so there will be enough teams competing to make the upper divisions worth while. Have not seen this happened yet, but hope it does because 3-4 team tournaments are not worth the money it takes to travel to.

Jan. 27, 2011
DCPete
234 posts
True the 5-run rule is an equalizer but doesn't take into account the Open inning. You might not think the open inning is a big deal until you see the Major+ boys score 30 or more runs each & then you see the big difference that does exist.
Not hating, but just saying . . .
Jan. 27, 2011
Mr. Manassas
226 posts
Mario...How many teams do you know that score 5 runs an inning every inning. I would say that the higher rated teams probably score more runs than the lower rated teams. Also It is more difficult to score runs by getting 15 hits than a few homeruns.
Jan. 27, 2011
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Thank You Mr. M... All balls hit in the field of play can be caught so it is harder to score 5 runs with 15 then if you can hit homeruns. I have not seen a ball hit over the fence for caught for an out.

Jan. 27, 2011
hombre
Men's 60
220 posts
Mario, there is a big difference in AA and M+. There are a lot of teams who couldn't score 5 runs in an inning unless the other team was playing 8 men on defense. Some teams will not hit a home run in a season. These same teams probably play defense on the same level as they play offense. They may have a lower skill level, but they may love the game as much as anybody. They also pay the same to play as the rest of us. There has to be some ranking system to allow lower skilled players to enjoy the game too.

I think that there is a ranking problem, but I won't pretend that I have an answer. Also, at the ISF in Salem last year there were definitely four and maybe five teams playing 60 AAA that were ranked M in SSUSA.
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