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June 9, 2010
madsenior
54 posts
hitting with a baseball bat
On of the guys had a composite baseball bat, his grandson plays college baseball and is here for a visit. We took turns using it at BP and wow....it is really bad. We could not get the bat to go more than 200 feet. We know the bat has pop for baseballs but from what we saw has no pop at all for softballs. Wondering if any of you bat gurus could tell us why??
June 9, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
NCAA banned composite bat use for the mens games I heard on the Woman's college championships last night. They are considering their ban for the women later this year.
June 9, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
I think it was something like 15 hr's last night in the final game between UCLA and AZ. Totally out or the norm. The first ever G-slam in the first inning also.
June 9, 2010
madsenior
54 posts
Well I was asking about why it is so hard to hit a softball with a baseball bat but while since to bought it up. Yes the NCAA has banned composite bats this year the word is that after a study they are going to bring them back.
In terms of college softball. My DD is a coach at a PAC 10 school (softball) and they are not banning anything. In fact there is talk of dropping the ASA standard and going to hotter bats. Of cousre this is just hear-say and nothing more.
Except the comp bats...they will stay in NCAA softball.
June 9, 2010
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
389 posts
MS: One reason I can think of is because baseball bats are a lot heavier so reduces your bat speed. I have swung my son's Freak baseball bat and noticed the same thing. I think the walls on a composite baseball bat are built much thicker to withstand the impact of a baseball so you get much less trampoline.
June 9, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
jim, i think you hit the nail on the head there.i have never swung a composite BB bat but have swung metal ones(get to play some here with the kids).
MS seems like staying on topic is a prol on this board.
like Jim(enviro-vac)says that maybe the bat has to be a little thicker to with stand a baseball coming at it from 85-95 MPH.also they are only a -3 drop from length,where we get any wheres from -8 up to -4 drops.
yes the bats were on a moratorium for college BB,they might be back next yr.
June 9, 2010
JGogo
Men's 65
16 posts
The NCAA is changing the bats testing requirments effective 1-1-11. They are going from BESR to BBCOR. The bats are going to be more comparable to wood. The composite bats are way to hot. The High Schools must comply in 2012. The testing methods for the new BBCOR bats are going to be closer to what a wood bat looks like. It is just a matter of time until the girls follow suit. Baseball scores should not be in the teens. I play baseball and softball. I am a shortstop and I can tell you from my experiences that I have never had baseballs hit as hard to me as softballs off Miken bats. Somebody is going to be killed one of these days with these Mikens. All Senior baseball Tournamnets that we play in are wood bat tournamnets and the games are exciting and low scoring. I have never played in a over 50+ wood bat baseball tournament and seen a ball hit out of the park whereas in softball many average players with a MIken become Barry Bonds like.
June 9, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
glad to hear that JGogo,hope softball heeds this and changes also.
June 10, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
JGogo, I went to a Detroit Tigers fantasy camp in Jan this year. I hadn't swung a wood bat for 34 years. What a difference. I did hit one that hit the 390 mark on the fence, but I got every bit of it. If I had hit a softball like that, it would have gone 500 feet.If I didn't hit it, I didn't get that 'artificial' jump on the ball. I truly believe college baseball should go back to wood. A lot of guys are going on to the pros and it is a heck of an adjustment to go back to wood. I also would not quit if they cooled our softball bats a bit.
June 10, 2010
JGogo
Men's 65
16 posts
Webbie25, was my buddy Dave Harvill at the camp?
June 10, 2010
madsenior
54 posts
cool...I was at the fantasy camp this year with the SF Giants. Bill Laskey was in charge and did a great job.

In terms of NCAA baseball using wood bats. According to a PAC 10 coach it would ruin the college game and will never happen. I know we think it would better because of MLB but he say's the college game does not have the talent for wood.
June 10, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
JGogo-I will check my list when I get off the road this week. They do hold 2 sessions, the 3rd and 4th week of Jan. so he may have been at the first one. I was at the second.
June 10, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
madsenior-we played with wood at the college level and it sure didn't ruin the game.I guess it is ruined if you can't score 15 runs a game, eh? I don't get it.
June 10, 2010
madsenior
54 posts
Webbie,
I understand and agree with what you are saying. The reason wood will not work in college baseball has to do with fans, TV and the market appeal of the game. Coaches say that if the game moved to wood the fans and TV would bolt because the game would be so boring. Remember that college has to battle for ratings with MLB and those high offense games are what the fans want.
June 11, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
Ah, yes, the insatiable American yearning for high scoring games. They even changed a couple rules in Hockey to allow 2 line passes and a bigger area behind the net for more scoring. Nobody except me loves a great 1-0 game with great goaltending.Or a 1-0 well pitched game.I guess football is next. Maybe they can shorten the NFL field to 60 yards. Then they can have 84-63 games.:-)
June 13, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
JGogo, Dave Harvill was not on the list for my camp. I went to the second one for the year. I will go to another one someday, though. It was so much fun.
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