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Discussion: Need Snowbirds Response

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Aug. 2, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
Need Snowbirds Response
I played w/Faith from 99-02; I did not use nor did I know of anyone on the team that used altered bats or had an incorrect address. I prayed & started the JAH Masters in 03/04; I did not use nor did I know of anyone that used altered or painted bats or had an incorrect address. Everyone that has spoken with me on the phone, at a tourney or via e-mail knows I talk & stand by the rules, but here is one that needs everyone's attention.

Here is the scenario:
Teams Home Base had 338 hits, but 3 replies.
MK's Snowbird List had 1371 hits, but 51 replies.
DL as Residence had 561 hits, but 17 replies.
300 Snowbirds had 427 hits, but 3 replies.

That equals 2694 hits on the subject, but 74 replies; that is a very low percentage.
A snowbird is someone that has snow almost ALL year & does not have softball in their state.
Remember: the snowbird or birds that you have on your team in 05' just might be on the opposing team in 06' & thereafter when you have spent $500+ dollars (one tourney) of your own money & all your time & get beat.

I am not asking the associations to respond to this; I am asking for you that are snowbirds. I personally think that the rule should be overturned, give us a reason that it should not be overturned; you can keep your identity if you so desire. Tell us why it is so important? Why you cannot play in your state? Out of 2694 hits, someone has got to be a snowbird; please defend the rule!!!

Tater: still TOTALLY disgusted with this rule.

Aug. 2, 2005
Walk
192 posts
TaterinGA,
I am not a snowbird but I am one who is affected by these stupid regional rules and player movement rules. I have been reitred by these rules and while many have tried to help few have taken this type of stand.

I understand your point but at least you get to go to tournaments and get beat by these snowbirds. Guys in my situtation get to stay home and read about it on the net or take up golf. If the snowbird rules is to be changed then it would seem only fair that people like me be given a chance to play also.

I don't care now if it is AAA in my region or major plus as a one player exemption but we should be allowed to play. When this was brought up to the SPA just last week after what y'all encountered and how the rule was changed I was told point blank that the summit decided on the regional rules and the player movement rules and that I could not play and yet the rule that made CA and FL stand alone for this year was not followed.

So it looks like the only way guys who are stuck can play is via this snowbird rule. Senior softball is suppose to be about seniors playing ball and yet some are disallowed because of the regional rules and the player rules and some are not. I would suggest if we fixed those rules then most of the snowbird stuff might just go away.
Walk
Aug. 2, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
Walk: If you do not have a team in your state or bordering states, you should be able to send proof; then the directors should allow you the chance to play Senior Ball with the nearest team. I was told that in 2002: if I could not find a Major or Major + team in my area, then the Director would allow me to pick up with another team, of course when I got this info was in late September, too late to play.
Aug. 2, 2005
dude
Men's 65
16 posts
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Aug. 2, 2005
dude
Men's 65
16 posts
SPA WORLD COMMENTS: There were two players that were granted the " snowbird " exemption rule that played in the 60's major + division. Both of these players were approved to play by the owner of SPA. The problem is that neither one of these two own, live or work in theie " snowbird " states. Their claim for " snowbird " status that they were at some time going to move.... one lives in Florida and played on a Texas based team..... and the other lives in Colorado and plays on a California based team. It gets better, both of these players are ex-teammates with the owner of SPA..... and one of these two playes on the California team where the VP of the SPA playes. I believe the next step to clear this mess created by the gods of senior softball..... is to stick a lawsuit up their asses.
Aug. 2, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
This snowbird is getting bigger as it begins to roll. Very Interesting; come on guys help everyone out; if you have some comments; please speak out.

Thanks Dude
Aug. 3, 2005
Walk
192 posts
I would just be happy if they would let me play with the AAA team around here instead of not playing.

I guess I should have just said I was thinking about moving. If I had done that I could have played this year.
Aug. 3, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
333 posts
Walk
Hang in there old buddy as all this favortism to some and descrimination towards others will be over by the next season and you will be allowed your exemption status again and rightfully so.
Take Care
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 3, 2005
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
BW, if you haven't played this year you should be able to play with your local teams next year. I believe the rule states you can't move down two levels (major plus to AAA) from you level last year. If you haven't played this year, next year you should be able to play AA or AAA. I know this may not be what you want. Maybe the summit will change a rule to allow players in you situation to play.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
Anybody with any more hilarious "snowbird" stories, please reply, this is making for some great senior comedy; cannot cry, might as well laugh at a rule that is so twisted. Never heard of a snowbird from a state that never sees snow. Hmmmmmmmmm!!!!
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
As I analyze the snowbird rule; it seems clearer that it does not mean that your state has snow & you do not have a team to play with; rather, the rule allows you to go & play with a dominant team from a certain area. I guess I have been having a Senior Moment. Come on; you that are actual snowbirds, we are calling you out; speak your peace; let us know why the snowbird rule should remain. (Not that any of our complaints are going to make a difference)
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
Those of you that disagree with the snowbird rule; have you sent your e-mail of disgust to the associations??? It is like complaining about politics; you can vote to show your displeasure.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
Those of you that disagree with the snowbird rule; have you sent your e-mail of disgust to the associations??? It is like complaining about politics; you can vote to show your displeasure.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
I have noticed that we have had close to 3000 hits about the snowbird rule & not one snowbird has come forth, nor have we heard from the team mates of these snowbirds. I guess they are snowed under & cannot respond.
Aug. 3, 2005
SoCal'er
68 posts
Walk, I'm beginng to feel your pain. Have you asked team mgr's in your area to send letter's for you? If there fighting it then that makes it tougher, if they don't care then associations shouldn't either.AAA has a strict HR policy. How bad can you hurt the opposing team.I know your a great hitter,but you desrve to play. I wish you luck and I'll through in my two cents to SSUSA and SPA.
Aug. 3, 2005
Walk
192 posts
SoCal'er the teams around KC have talked to the SPA and all they get is the same stubborn answer and that is the summit made the regional rules and the player movement rules. When questioned on how they will support that rule and yet over look the other things that have happened there is no answer other than that was the TD decision.

I am told I will get to play in the SSUSA tournament here in KC with the AAA team to see how it goes but that tournament has not made and I believe that could be my only chance.
Walk
PS MK I am hanging bro.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
To all associations: the snowbird issue has been on the boards consistently since July 19th; there has NO SNOWBIRD'S' that have stood up & given any reason that this rule should stay in force. Walk is not a snowbird, but must be a great guy, cause he has not twisted the rules & claimed that he lived 3 months in Ga or whereever just to get to play. (Good luck to you Walk) Therefore, it is pretty evident that NO ONE wants it, if so they would be defending the rule. Please take note of this & change this unnecessary rule.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
It is 4:14 PM EST: you 59 anonymous people that are viewing this board right now, sign in if you are seniors & help us out. Your opinions are very important. Let's sink this snowbird ship.
Aug. 3, 2005
The Pro
81 posts
The snowbird rule has been abused to the point that it is no longer valid. I agree it needs to go away, but something needs to be put in place to help Seniors in Bruce Walkers situation, so they can play at the highest level they are able to perform.
Aug. 3, 2005
jimmy a
Men's 50
35 posts
The Pro: Gary where have you been? You may want me to sell you that Original Velocite back; I have about 7, but I indoctrinated yours into the All Tourney team @ Cullman. I had a severely pulled tendon in my hell & could not use but one leg, Wondering what it will do when I can put all the pork chop behind it. Buy back will be high though!!!
Aug. 3, 2005
jimmy a
Men's 50
35 posts
BillyMac
How about Thermco, any snowbirds in your closet???
None on Kelly's and none on Miken/Old South.
I will find out sooner or later anyway.
Lets try and clean it up ourself by process of elimination.
Thanks in advance.
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 3, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
333 posts
BillyMac
How about Thermco, any snowbirds in your closet??? None on Kelly's and none on Miken/Old South. I will find out sooner or later anyway. Lets try and clean it up ourself by process of elimination. Thanks in advance. Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
ps stupid board called me jimmy a, we were posting at the same time i guess but the above post was also from Mike Kelly mk39???
Aug. 3, 2005
sjuhoops
123 posts
from a td to myself personally. if you are 60 and live in the north west you can play with a team there and if you claim snowbird status you can play 55 with team in the southwest. this td said that was his interpertation. our team got quite a kick out of that one. also we played in spa and there was a 55 team that beat us up and we were told had beaten a few 50 major plus teams this season and should have been rated major plus. now we go to kansas this weekend and this team is playing AAA. who is kidding who. they are rated major now they get to play AAA. the list goes on and on. you have guys like walk who cant play anywhere. last i checked this is still america. everyone should be able to participate. walk we talk about your situation all the time. hope this gets fixed in a hurry.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
The Pro: that should have stated TaterinGa, do not know how Bro Jimmy got on there. I am with you on these players that cannot play. Hey, need your help in Arizona. Get all players that you can to sign a petition against the snowbird rule & e-mail me for my address. I am going to compile a list to give to the Summit.

Allworld84@aol.com

By the way: Our company has 2 condos in Florida? Any Florida teams want me? Cause I can be a SNOOOOOOOOOWBIRD.
Sept. 18, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
HMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!! Since this was posted on 8/3 not one snowbird has responded; speculation= guess they talked with their TD's & found out they are in the rocking chair with no problems. I still state that the snowbird rule is horrible & needs to be changed. Come on snowbirds defend yourself?????


Tater

The laws of probability determine that the majority of people under age 65 cannot leave their state & live in another for 3 months out of the year, unless they are millionaires.
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