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Discussion: Illegal swing of the bat

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July 25, 2010
thunderstruck21
12 posts
Illegal swing of the bat
I'm a right-handed batter so we're in the 6th inning with 2 minutes left and guy on 1st I'm up so the pitch comes and at the last second I choke up my right hand swing thru the ball and the ball travels bout a few feet guy gets on 2nd and I'm out. Please fellas sound off did the blue call it right in slow pitch
July 26, 2010
thunderstruck21
12 posts
Oh I forgot and I beat the throw at 1st
July 26, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
That as described may have been interpreted as a bunt. Especially is hands were separated. Which is not mentioned here.
I have 'choked up' 1-2 inches to alter swing speed and placement.
We see a lot of dribblers in the game, its another ump judgement call I presume.
July 26, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
IF hands were separated... but no mention of that here.
July 26, 2010
thunderstruck21
12 posts
Yeah taits my hands were separated when I swung thru to hit the ball.Should they been together?
July 27, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Maybe I missed it, but why would you separate your hands, at the last second or otherwise?
July 27, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1995 posts
If your hands were separated, can you blame the umps for calling the bunt? It had to look like one. With these bats you have to play deep. Pitchers are-or should be backpedaling. I believe the umps need to be tougher on the guys that try to dump a ball on the infield with a half swing that technically is a legal swing and beat it out. I know, tough to call that distinction, but come on guys-swing the bat!!!
July 27, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
Sounds like you were not trying to bunt but if you were:
Actually trying to bunt I know when I played BB & FP, I actually had to move my right hand off the handle to the taper area or the label for a solid hit that didn't go but 6-8 feet out.
Making our right hand in front of your left hand as a right hand hitter. You souldn't get away with this.
But for slow pitch to stiffen the bat movement for the same process it seems to me that separating your hands would do the same thing. However bunting is illegal in slow pitch, and the separation is a dead giveaway.
A good choke up 2-3" could work but you still need the full swing.
Top the ball if you want that and can do it.
Have seen many get away with them even with "full swings" by using slow full swing with complete follow through.
A dribbler will no doubt be a judgement call. Likely based upon swing speed and follow through.
July 27, 2010
thunderstruck21
12 posts
Yeah I was trying to do something different last game of summer didn't matter if we won or lost the game but somebody said as long as I swung thru the ball it be alright it's becoming clear that I took bad advice that day.Hopefully that answers your question Dirty,Webbie25 thanks for honesty,And taits thanks for the advice and that swing hurt me twice cuz I hyperextened my left elbow so if it wasn't for the comments on this my elbow is reminding this week.
July 29, 2010
stick8
1324 posts
Thunderstruck21, as long as you take a full swing what does it matter where your hands are on the bat?
July 29, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1995 posts
Stick8- one of the tougher calls in softball, but if you are swinging and sliding your hand up the bat at the same time, it is very difficult to do without your swing hesitating at some point. A guy on our team tried to slap swing in Reno and got called out. I was on deck and know his swing almost stopped as he contacted the ball and then he accelerated some through.His ground ball stopped before it reached the baseline on artificial turf. I would have called him out immediately, too, but he maintained he swung through. It really is perception at that point, I guess. It would be fun to have instant replay on those to see the mechanics in slow motion and gauge the batter's reaction compared to what he thought he did.
July 29, 2010
thunderstruck21
12 posts
Yeah webbie25 I'm gonna have wife start recording video on her phone(lol)
July 30, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1995 posts
Big Brother is here-even is senior softball!!!! :-)
July 30, 2010
stick8
1324 posts
Possibly so thunderstruck21 but as long as you follow thru there's no rule that I'm aware of that says your hands have to be on any certain spot on the bat. I'm also not aware of any rule that specifies how fast or slow the bat speed must be. I've heard some say batters have to "break your wrist" on the swing, which is silly. When you break your wrist that means you better go to the hospital.
July 30, 2010
thunderstruck21
12 posts
Yeah stick8 In that game they had a kid playing 3rd that could have caught comets that day so that's where the idea came up cuz I've seen guys earlier this summer "tomahawk" the ball few times and blue didn't say anything and I've heard "tomahawking" the ball is illegal but nothing I can do bout it so I'm over it.I wonder where I can get a ASA rulebook.Hey Webbie25 You got that right!(lmao)
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