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Discussion: Formal Protest of all 50 major plus snowbirds

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Aug. 3, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
330 posts
Formal Protest of all 50 major plus snowbirds
Terry Hennesey
I hearby protest all 50 major plus snowbirds now sanctrion by the SSUSA/SSWC and expect you to launch an investigation into all of them and have the results back to me by the time i get back from the USSSA Worlds next week.
Respectfully
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
I was a coach from 02-04'; but as a player that spends $500 on an away tourney; I do not feel that the above request is beyond reason. Every coach should have some kind of a clue about the oppostion; it is called checks & balances.
Aug. 3, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
330 posts
TaterinGa
What would really help is if you, another Manager of a 50 major plus team would get on here and file your own official protest like i did and put some more pressure on Terry Hennesey
IMO
Thanks
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50 +
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
I am presently not coaching this year, but my Bro Bruce & Don are, so I am sure they will tack on with you.

I have sent e-mails to every ball player and every Association Director I know trying to get this rule overturned. I think something should be done for players like Walk, but otherwise, playing across the country on a snowbird visa does not fit.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
By the way MK: our company has property in California & I have 14 All-Tourney Trophies; will you give me a try out under the snowbird rule?
Aug. 3, 2005
Dbax
Men's 60
1221 posts
For what it's worth, I don't think filing a protest on a "Meesage Board" constitutes an offical protest! You might want to try something differen.
Aug. 3, 2005
Dbax
Men's 60
1221 posts
For what it's worth, I don't think filing a protest on a "Message Board" constitutes an offical protest! You might want to try something different.
Aug. 3, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
330 posts
Dbax
Thanks for the advice and i have also put it in writing directly to the SSUSA/SSWC.
This is phase 2 of a so far 2 week old campaign designed to bring attention to the snowbird rule and what it is doing to certain teams. What happened in plano is just the beginning of what could happen at the rest of the worlds and i am hoping that it will not come to on the field protest. The TD'S who make these back door agreements need to do the right thing and clean it up upon my request here and now before the SSUSA/SSWC worlds or i can gurantee it will get ugly out there in AZ..
Thanks again
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
I think MK is like myself: we are trying to let every Senior Player know there is a snowbird rule that can affect you; it may have already affected you & you did not know it. What surprises me in all this, that no snowbird 's' has accepted the snowbird rule challenge & posted their thoughts. DBAX: we are not trying to cause a riff, we are causing awareness & we need your help w/every other Senior Player who finds this rule in error. If every Team Manager would get their players to sign a petition against this rule, then we can hand all of this to the Summit. Then we will see if the majority is heard.
Aug. 3, 2005
Dbax
Men's 60
1221 posts
I have read all the posts and totally agree with you guys. The snowbird rule is a joke. A loophole to pick up illegal players. Ridge was gutless in Plano.
Living in Phoenix, I hope this is solved before the Worlds in October. We should be writing letters instead of posting here.
I would suggest that we have no boundaries. Play for whomever and whereever you want.There is no way to police it the way it is now.
Aug. 3, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
DBAX: please consider by posting this on this good board, we have gotten around 3000 hits; that means we have the players attention; everybody is talking about this subject; we will proceed with signatures; then present these to the summit.
Aug. 4, 2005
PattyMac
94 posts
Tater and Bruce,

Since yall seem to know all the rules and quick question for yall. If a team played in Plano in the Major Plus division are they frozen to their roster of that team? If they are how can 2 or 3 players change teams to play in the USSSA national this weekend. Would that be breaking the rules? If a team did this would they be ruled ineligible for this tournament?

Just wondering.

Aug. 4, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
330 posts
PattyMac

Hi PattyMac, see ya real soon, we both have 8.30am games friday morning. have a safe trip.
I don't pretend to know all the rules but i don't think USSSA cares about who played in plano anyways.
That frozen roster stuff revolves around SSUSA/SSWC, SPA, LVSSA and ISSA/ISF more so then anyone else. It does not work for the exact reason the snowbird dont work.
The TD's want entry fees and more teams first. A team claims to be short on players and adds a few good men in and as long as there original team is not in the event, it will be allowed. Seen it happen last year.
I will be curious to see tater's responce.
Se ya soon
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 4, 2005
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
PattyMac, I was told by a reliable source that all Senior Softball Summit associations agreed that Major Plus rosters will be frozen after the first national. The summit associations are ASA, ISA ,Huntsman Games, ISSA, LVSSA, NASCS, NSA, SPA, SSUSA, and USSSA.
With that being said, I believe that MK is dead on in his post.
Aug. 4, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
PattyMac: Have a great time if you are going, but Bruce is just indicating what we heard @ Plano. I am not trying to get anyone into hot water; it is very confusing, you hear one report about Frozen Rosters; then another Senior association does not seem to comply. MK is pretty much right. I had to send in a frozen roster in 04' that is why we were so short at 4-5 Nationals; obviously I could have added players w/no problem; everybody else did. All you guys wear each other out before you get to the ASA Nationals. LOL
Aug. 4, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
330 posts
TaterinGa
Absoloutly nothing that charlie la roache from USSSA agreed to at the senior summitt becomes law until after this years USSSA convention in nov. The USSSA directors will have to vote it in and seeing how there meeting is before the senior softball summitt, nothing was changed in 2005 for usssa resulting out of verbal agreements at the 2005 senior softball summitt.
Example, ssusa/sswc has on this board under rules for usssa that only a photo id is needed this year for usssa indicating that usssa has done away with the players card and this is simply not true. i spent the last 2 weeks with stacy of usssa getting all my players the card they need to have to be elgal in hutchinson and that is hwere the discussions with charlie la roache come in as he admits that nothing he agreed to in january 2005 at the senior summitt becomes law until after the usssa convention later this year.
So i am not dead in the water at all but alive and dog paddling in the water as usual.
ps i do talk to a lot of TD'S and corporate officials before i make these comments.
Thanks
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 4, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
MK: I am not in an attack mode when it comes to this board; so please do not take it that way. This board is valuable in spreading news. I will only attack rules like the snowbird that I think are totally unnecessary & that has been proven so far cause NOT ONE snowbird has come on to defend it. I am glad that you & others have insight that I do not have; info is very valuable when you travel a 1000 miles one way to a tourney. I would loved to have known about the snowbird before Texas; then I would not have been surprised. Thanks to everyone for the info, wish we had the money to come & compete against you guys at the USSSA. Sounds like it is going to be great.
Aug. 4, 2005
TerryH
17 posts
Response to Protest
We have just completed an audit of all 50+ snowbird applications. That audit has found there are no 50 Major-Plus snowbirds registered with SSUSA.

Thanks for your concern.

Terry Hennessy
Aug. 4, 2005
PattyMac
94 posts
MK,

Wasn't it nice when years ago you just went to the tournaments and played. Making all the different divisions ruined softball. Senior softball, in my opinion, should be touching states for all, and tha means all states. I don't really care about the exemption rule, I mean it doesn't make any difference to me. I am glad to be still playing the game I love and have played for the last 30 years. I still love the competition and that is what makes the tournaments like the one this weekend something to look forward to. It is all about getting to play.
See you tomorrow.

PattyMac.
Aug. 4, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
177 posts
TerryH: way to go; my hats off to you a big round of APPPPPLAUSE. You heard of a protest/complaint & you worked it out & posted the outcome. If we did not have this board think of all the time, money, faxes & letters this would have taken to get sorted out. Thanks Again Tater
Aug. 8, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
330 posts
TerryH
Thanks for the update.
1 last question on potential snowbirds and i will then drop this issue.
Now seeing how your world is less then 2 months away, would you allow any applicants for snowbird to apply and be accepted before your event in az. Is that still possible or is there a cutoff date for the year for that.
Thanks
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 8, 2005
MK39
Men's 50
330 posts
PattyMac
I would accept any rules they make regarding rosters as long as they are the same for all, even open regions and that way there would never be an issue to begin with.
States and bordering states is fair enopugh as well to encourage neww growth and more teams.
The 1 exemption player alone can replace the whole snowbird rule and clean the whole thing up once and for all.
Then we can show up and just play ball like we did this past weekend with no whining about rules that we really wish did not even exist to begin with.
IMO
Thanks
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
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