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Oct. 13, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
SAD DAY FOR SOFTBALL
I have friends who are going to Phoenix to play in the World Tournament....they will end up spending $7000-$8000 by the time they get back to Texas........and for what...they were "made" to play AAA when they are at best a so so AA team.This is all about money.It's a sad day for softball and SSUSA !
Oct. 13, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sorry to hear about your friends, Kenny.
I don't know the circumstances
but spending a ton of money and time
for something that isn't fundamentally satisfying is a beat down.

On the other side of the coin
there's a very satisfying 6 team bracket
in the 60 major plus
and a monster 11 team bracket
in the 55 major plus
both of which MTC California
is looking forward to playing in.
I also saw 9 major plus 50's teams
in session 3 which is unusually good.
Oct. 14, 2010
Paco13
374 posts
#6 As Forrest Gump Said "Stupid is who stupid does". I am very certain that they will have a wonderful time for that kind of money, or at least lets hope so. At this age a lot is about having fun and spend time with friends...I guess. In reality only but a hand full of teams have a legitimate chance at winning. On the 50 major I expect the East coast boys to do very well; Sweet Con and Veltri and on the 50 AAA High Street Bucs should do very well also. Good luck to all and Remember if nobody else loves you...JESUS DOES.
Oct. 14, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Paco13, spending $7000-$8000 to get your brains beat out, is no fun at any costs !To be classified AAA when you are barely a good AA, doesn't make sense to me !This team I am talking about has gotten beay "bad" in every tournament they have playe, run ruled several times. Does that sound like a wonderful time to you ?
Oct. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Great point, Kenny.
If you wanna play and just have fun
with boys there's no reason to invest/travel, is there.
When you travel/invest
it's usually a good sign that,
"you are playing to win the game".
I do believe that creative solutions
to such a dilemma are available
if there's enough motivation
to serve others and recognize
and solve real problems.
Oct. 15, 2010
olie04
Men's 50
46 posts
Paco13, The actual quote is "Stupid is as stupid does" I am not anal or a jerk. Just know the quote.
Oct. 16, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Paco13,
Just talked to my buddy in Phoenix playing in the World Tournament, you may remember I told you they were made to play AAA instead of AA this year and have been struggling very badly in AAA, just found out they lost all 3 pool games. But as you said "I bet they are having a wonderful time".......NOT !
Oct. 16, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
686 posts
#6 Hats off for competing!!! that is why we play the game whether we are over match or not. Harry #20 NV FORCE
Oct. 17, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
birdie,
Not when you spend this kind of money...it would be nice to have a "chance" to win, instead of just play !!!
Oct. 17, 2010
Ceres
66 posts
This column reads like a soap opera.
A team from Texas is overrated and is going to SSWC in Phoenix at great expense to get slaughtered.
#6 who is not on this team takes up their cause whether he's asked to or not by reporting their plight to us in this column.
It'll do no good to report in this column.The team, not #6, must get the ear of the SSUSA Administration or forget about it.
I'm from Texas and have played in the SSWC in Phoenix. My expenses were less that $1000 not the $7000 to $8000 told to us by #6.
Oct. 17, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Ceres,
Number one if you can add and put all the teams expenses on here, it will be much closer to $7000 than $1000. $1000 was just for you.They have 10-12 players !!

Number 2, these are friends of mine who have been dealing with SSUSA all year long with no help. Larry ask me to post some of this and he runs the Texas team I am talking about.

Any more comments ?????
Oct. 17, 2010
JBTexas
Men's 65
264 posts
#6, anything new on DE round. I can honestly say I don't miss going to phoenix this year. Best move for us not to go.
Oct. 17, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
JBTexas,
I tried to call the guys but haven't heard back from them. They lost the 3 pool games and were to play at 2:30 yesterday..will let you know if I hear anything.
Oct. 17, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
JBTexas,
I just talked to Doak, they lost the 3 pool games, played at 2:30 Sat., lost that game, played at 5:00, won that game, played at 6:30 lost that game and they are done, finished, caput !
Oct. 17, 2010
JBTexas
Men's 65
264 posts
#6, That's one more win then expected, I knew they would give it everything they had. How did you guys do in Pasadena last week.
Oct. 17, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
686 posts
#6, I agree about the money being spent and being over matched. They did go and compete and won a game because they came to try and win. I do hope that they get re-rated to AA and have a better chance of winning. I did not mean any disrespect in my previous post. best of luck to you and your teammates and friends. Thanks Harry
Oct. 17, 2010
Ceres
66 posts
#6 I do have other comments.
Thanks for the clarification of your estimate. It's a minor point but IF DONE ORIGINALLY, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISSCUSSION.
Thanks for inquiring about my ability to add. That was very kind.
Thanks for telling us that Larry asked you to post some of this.
Finally my most important point and the one that you neglected to address: Jumping on the SSUSA by using this message board is not only senseless but it's pointless.
Oct. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
#6, if a team is a 'barely good AA team' what are they even doing at a "World" tourament? Being barely good at the lowest level certainly does not merit inclusion in any kind of a credible world tournament.

Just makes NO sense at all.
Oct. 18, 2010
wagon487
Men's 50
530 posts
Dirty, don't you have a cat to kick, a dog to punch, a baby to take it's bottle or a cripple to push down the steps?
Oct. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
You really think a 'barely good' team belongs in a "Worlds"????? Do you know what Worlds is supposed to mean?

I guess that means maybe the Browns will get invited to the Super Bowl. :)

You have no clue! :(
Oct. 18, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1993 posts
Hey #6-our Desperado team did exactly that in 2007-at 50AAA lost the 3 pool games badly, lost the first elim game, won over a team we knew was AA the year before and lost again--1-5. We had gotten beat up all year, too. We were determined to get better. We had enjoyed the experience as a team despite the results. We went to good tourneys and played CJ&S and Los Vatos Viejos several times, got our tails kicked, but learned how to compete with them. A lot of our guys worked year around-even in snowstorms, to get better. Two years later, in 2009, still at 50AAA we took almost the same team and came in 3rd-going 6-3. Remember, this is a world tournament-if you are there-you are competitive!!!! They did win a game so they didn't come in last. I wish your friends the best as a team!!!
Oct. 18, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Webbie25,
Thanks, good luck to you and the team the rest of the way.............
Oct. 18, 2010
ShaneV
Men's 55
382 posts
And remember, the important point to
classifying any particular team is
to protect the proper classification
of all other teams, that's ALL other
teams. Until the evidence is clear
SSUSA will err on the side of most
rather than the one.

Whatever team you play for today and
in the future, be grateful that the
organization protects you from under-
rated teams and the surprises that
come with them.

ShaneV
Oct. 18, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
dipty,is not an invite type tourney,we pay the fee we get to go.there is not enough senior teams to only allow qualifier winners in,it would be a 6 team(maybe) tourney than.for us in texas to play in the required 3 tourneys would take us at least 2 years of playing for a re rating,so why not go to the worlds to see how you really stack up,isn't that what you always say or are you back tracking now.go with what you have regardless if you get your butts beat,only way to get better.....

shanev sounds good but that doesn't always happen,b/c ssusa doesn't always respond to the facts,and in the mean time a team has to spend thousands of dollars getting beat up.
Oct. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
So it is just another tournament? Nothing wrong with that, but doesn't sound like anything particularly significant or special.

I would think about going to worlds, if it was truly that. But sure does not sound like it. Again, just sounds like any other tournament.
Oct. 18, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Kenny if the team you are talking about is one of the 3 we played this weekend, they arent far away from being a good AAA team. They need to keep their heads up, imo they came to compete win or lose and that they did. They are also gentlemen of the game.

Gary if you consider 300 teams and 10000 players just another tournament I wonder what constitutes a special tournament in your opinion?
In the 60AAA we had the best field of teams (25) from every corner of the country, the very best playing their hearts out. As I understand it the other divisions were just as hard fought.
And yes this is truly a Worlds event, with the German AA team playing exibition games, although short handed.
Maybe next year you can find a team to play with and come see what its really like to be there and compete at the highest level.
Oct. 27, 2010
Ceres
66 posts
I played softball this morning with a member of the Texas Pickups who were championed by #6 as a weak 60AA team forced by SSUSA to play 60AAA in Phoenix. The Texas Pickups did add a few substitute players for Phoenix including this particular player who is a very strong 60AAA player. They were neither a weak 60AA team nor a weak 60AAA team.
#6 you ought to get the facts but more importantly, mind your own business.
Oct. 27, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Ceres,
Larry who runs the Teaxs Pickups told me exactly what I said on the message board. The two players he picked up, play with me on the Tanel360/Bud Light of Austin AAA team.If you don't know what in the hell your talking about, keep your mouth shut !
Oct. 27, 2010
Ceres
66 posts
#6, you told us before that Larry made you do it. You should have told Larry to do it himself because what you wrote was wrong. Texas Pickups added two substitute players from your team (60AAA) plus another very strong 60AAA player who plays for a San Antonio 60AAA and a Houston 55AAA team. This should have made them a competitive 60AAA team not cannon fodder as you described.

I know what I'm writing about and won't keep my mouth shut when I read such ignorance.Take it easy on the Bud Light. Your logic is suffering.
Oct. 27, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Ceres,
I DID NOT SAY LARRY MADE ME DO ANYTHING, I SAID HE ASK ME TOO !IF YOU GO BACK AND READ THIS MESSAGE BOARD, YOU WILL SEE I SAID HE "ASK" ME TO, NOT MADE ME.
Don't worry about the Bud Light,,,,,,I can handle that.
Good Luck !

Oh by the way, Larry did write a post about this as well, I guess you missed that one too !
Oct. 27, 2010
JBTexas
Men's 65
264 posts
Having played against and for Larry's team this year, they are a weak AA team. If they picked up the players you said they did it was illegal. They could only add players in (a higher age bracket) if they had less then 12 players from their qualifying roster. Unless they picked up Barry Bonds and A-Rod they still were a AA team.
Oct. 27, 2010
LP
297 posts
JBTexas we did pick up three players all rated 60aaa we had guys drop out because we didnt get rerated so this ment we wouldnt have enough to play with out the pickups we were allowed to add, they were stronger players than what we would have had so we did make a better showing, and nothing was done illegal if you fall below 12 players you can add same age players we took 11 to phoenix
Oct. 27, 2010
Joncon
289 posts
To the original post, thay didn't HAVE to go to Phoenix, they chose to come here.

I've been playing with a marginal 50's AA team that, due to a specific set of circumstances that we were responsible for, got bumped to AAA. We have struggled all year and when words came around, the majority of the team simply chose not to play.
Oct. 27, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Joncon,
That's exactly what I told Larry.He said THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO ANYWAY, AND TAKE THEIR LUMPS. He said he wasn't happy that SSUSA would not rate them AA( and they are a AA team).............but it is what it is.
Good luck the rest of this year..........
Oct. 27, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
LP,
I hear you are going with us to the TOC, Welcome Back.Like Fred and Ginger..........together again.
Oct. 27, 2010
Ceres
66 posts
#10 you never address the important point. You want to argue whether Larry made you do it when in was obvious I wrote that tongue in cheek. I think LP is Larry. If so he posted his input after you sent you last insulting post to me so I couln't possibly have read THAT ONE TOO! LP wrote that he added 3 6OAAA players to his team. To me that means he strengthed his team for Phoenix where they did win a bracket game.This is the point I attemted to make.
Your weepy BAD DAY FOR SOFTBALL was nothing but a soap opera as I mentioned before.
Accept your mistake, don't blow smoke, and don't wish me good luck when you don't mean it.
Oct. 28, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Ceres, You don't know me, and I do mean good luck...

no more comments from me to you.
Nov. 2, 2010
CV3
77 posts
#6 I agree with your remarks no matter what the other's say. Great example we were given a invitation after loosing to AA teams in a qualifier tournament. One month later we beat the same teams that beat us in another quilifier which was a two team round robin, so as we sent our $660.00 for Phoenix & purchase our tickets. We then received another rating for winning a three team RR to AAA so we man up and took on the AAA division to learn what we already new we remain a AA team. We beat only one team which actually help us out by not being able to keep the ball in the park. They hit there allowed 3 HR plus kill three innings by hitting 4 more home runs. So my arguement if you give us a invite for losing then stick with it cause the appeal system is a waste of paper and time as far as I am concern. As to the tournament director the last thing we want to do is go all the way to Phoenix and play our neighbors from home as we did there, this also occured to a couple of teams from Canada who were playing each other and were not very happy at all. I been a TD for year's and I do know that I can accommodate teams from playing each other especially if they come from the same city. SSUSA really needs to put this together better !!!
Nov. 2, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
cv3 are you the one running this weekends tourney in georgetown.i'll be there with the 60 spurs.
Nov. 2, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
mad dog,
Chris is not putting on this tournament in Georgetown......Fidel is putting this one on.
Nov. 2, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
kenny who is austin rock,i have a guy i know who is going to vegas with them,he was asking me about them.
Nov. 2, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
mad dog, Its a, I believe Major team that has got together recently..
Nov. 3, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
thanks kenny,freeagent told me who they were.to bad your not playing this weekend,i need a beer....LOL...
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