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Oct. 27, 2010
duke1953
Men's 50
16 posts
one and one count
alot the tournaments games
we have played in this year with time limits are only making it to sixth inning and alot of that is due to teams not hustling or umpires not taking control of the game. i think if they go to a 1 and 1 count it will speed up the games as alot of players are not going to get down two strikes.
Oct. 27, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Earl,
I couldn't agree with you more.
1-1 count picks up the tempo of the game
for everyone, offense, defense, spectators and makes hitters more aggressive which makes them more likely
to hit a ball well.
It also gives the pitcher
that first strike.
I don't think slow pitch softball
ever needed a 3 strike, 4 ball AB.
The ball is much easier to hit
3 balls and 2 strikes is way enough.
Oct. 27, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
It's a no brainer IMO. The 1 and 1 count gives you 10 minutes (on average) more per game to PLAY as opposed to 10 minutes of STANDING watching hitters take pitches. At over $100 a game, do you want to play or stand?
Oct. 27, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Joe,
A quick question, do you like to play one pitch ? Just asking as I usually swing at the first pitch anyway,we play that here a lot and makes the game go by fast, and as you know, you "have" to have a very good pitcher. Just wondering if you play it there..
see ya....
KR
Oct. 27, 2010
JBTexas
Men's 65
264 posts
I disagree, I have always taken a pitch till I get One strike. Starting 1-1 changes the way I hit. Right or wrong it changes the game, I aveage about 40 walks a season and my job is to get on base in front of the middle of the order. To the power hitters it's no big deal, most swing for the fence before the pitchers releases the pitch.
Oct. 27, 2010
Joncon
289 posts
"""I have always taken a pitch till I get One strike. Starting 1-1 changes the way I hit"""


You are "That Guy" :)

I don't understand how 1 n 1 can change the way you hit? Just pretend you have seen two pitches, a ball and a strike. All you are doing is slowing the game down. I want you to swing he bat so I have a chance to get you out so I can go swing the bat!!

I understand taking a walk if there is nothing to swing at and I applaud the batters that have a good eye. I also understand trying to draw a walk if the game situation calls for it, but the fact is, this game is no fun until someone swings the bat.

This is slow pitch. One and one count should be standard practice.
Oct. 27, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
You said this is "slow pitch softball",,,,,,it's a hitters game, hit the first good pitch you see......IMO ! I don't have a problem with one pitch.fast game.more beer drinking time for all.Good luck everybody.
Oct. 27, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
#6 like you need more drinking beer time....DOH,LOL....
yeah i like 1-pitches,especially if its call strike,mat not so much.
Oct. 27, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Kenny,
I played one pitch, one time
a couple of years ago on the 4th of July.
It was fun.
1-1 count increases tempo, rhythm,
energy and interest in the game.
Much better than 4 balls and 3 strikes.
Oct. 28, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1992 posts
I fully agree with what we call 3-2 count-starting with a 1-1 count. We play it a lot here. It does speed up the game. It amazes me that a lot of hitters playing this feel that you should take a 2-0 pitch as if it is a 3-0 pitch. Heck, no, that is going to be the best pitch you see. If you take it, now its 3-2 and you just gave the advantage back to the pitcher. Swing the bat-that's what we are here for.
Oct. 28, 2010
angus73
Men's 50
97 posts
Agree with the 1 and 1 as long as we get the extra foul ball. Another thought-- In ISA, I believe or one of the rules In St.George You cannot get a courtesy runner after the 1st. pitch to the next batter. It forces you to be prepared to have the runners ready.
Oct. 28, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
If the only purpose is to speed up the game, have guys show some hustle on and off the field. Hustle should be an expectation anyway, not a surprise.
Oct. 28, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
the hustle part is ok if your only PITCHING or playing the INF,the farthermost OF'er from the bench does an extra 3/4 of a mile in going back and forth to his position(at approx 275' one way).at our ages that is quite an energy drain on us,and yes i have done it...hell the closest OF'er does almost a half mile(at approx 175').now take these distances and times them by 4 to 5 games and you can see the mileage put in while playing the out field...
Oct. 28, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
mad dog, I can see that, though almost by definition the outfielders should be the best conditioned of the players. But yes I can see how that adds up.

However, you use the extreme to make your case. Most senior games played are not part of 4-5 games a day. Some yes, but I am not so sure about all.
Oct. 28, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
don't care how good a shape you are in,it adds up for them.also in senior ball,they are the CR's for the team,most likely.we get a min of 2 in ,more depending on which day of the tourney we are in.for 2-dayers,we play min of 3 sometimes 4 in the first day with maybe that many maybe the next day depending how you did the first day.losers bracket means a lot more games,and with our may-sept weather down here that can be real hard on us..
Oct. 28, 2010
gary c
411 posts
You said this is "slow pitch softball",,,,,,it's a hitters game, hit the first good pitch you see......IMO ! I don't have a problem with one pitch.fast game.more beer drinking time for all.Good luck everybody
BEER BALL FRISCO I REST MY CASE!
Oct. 28, 2010
Joncon
289 posts
""""If the only purpose is to speed up the game, have guys show some hustle on and off the field. """""




It's not just to speed up the game in terms of minutes played, but to speed up the PACE.

It sucks to stand there in the field watching potentially 6 pitches before you get to play.

We aint gettin any younger. Pitch strikes and swing the bat!! :)
Oct. 28, 2010
Joncon
289 posts
And....one pitch is taking it too far. Too much pressure on the pitcher. It's not easy to throw a strike EVERY time.
Oct. 28, 2010
stick8
1318 posts
I remember in the early 90's when 3-2 was brought into USSSA. The thinking was it would speed up the game time. It did no such thing. What they didn't take into account are good hitters are going to get their hits and those on defense who are prone to making errors will still make errors.
Oct. 28, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
854 posts
Yet another change that should stay on the League diamond, it has no place on a tournamnet field.
Oct. 28, 2010
cal50
Men's 50
286 posts
I could go either way on the 1 and 1 count if they do not cut games short by a time limit. Tournaments are scheduled an hour and a half apart, why even have the time limit. People travel quite a ways and spend a lot of minute, the time limit is my pet peeve. But if they keep the time limit, go 1 and 1 and don't make people touch a base on a home run. That takes time too.
Oct. 28, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
i like the 3-2 count,no fouls,we play that here for our leagues(2 dif parks) and it speeds it up nicely(we only get 55,50 minutes here for play).

joncon tell,we can have rigor mortise set in waiting on the 4-3 counts......
Oct. 29, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1992 posts
I agree on the rigor mortis setting in!!!! lol Stick8-even if it does not speed up the game in actuality, the game moves faster because people are swinging the bat. As far as outfield, I do still play there when healthy and it is a long way in and out. I decided about 4 years ago that I had to be in 'conserve mode' from the start of a tournament-even when in very good shape. By the 6th, 7th, even 9th game of a tourney it really adds up. But I try to get in before everyone is set to go for the inning. Also, if leading off, I don't want to be breathing real hard, either. Some tourneys it just seems like we have the wrong dugout- i.e. I play left field and we are on the first base side all the time.
Maybe the answer is golf carts to come get us old farts!!
Oct. 29, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
The problem is not 1-1 count v. 0-0, it is the quality of pitching. A good pitcher will ensure the there are not 6 balls pitched per AB, and will keep the pace of the game moving.

The 1-1 count just covers for bad pitching.
Oct. 29, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Dirty, agreed. They should consider getting away from the meat ball pitching allow the pitcher to pitch however he wants, High, low, with moves or what ever. Take away from some of the hitters game. Good hitters will adjust.
Oct. 29, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Agreed. Good hitters will adjust, and the others will continue to look for even more special bats to use to compensate. :)
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