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Discussion: ASA bat testing machine

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Sept. 3, 2005
Walk
192 posts
ASA bat testing machine
A buddy of mine is down at the ASA B worlds and they are using their new bat compression machine to test bats but the bats will not be thrown out this year if they fall below the 240 mark that is being used by the ASA person.

Anyway he had all his bats tested. Easton Synergy Extended 30 ounce, Freak 28 ounce (both well used), Synergy Plus 30, Synergy 2 30, Freak Plus 30, and CNT Flex 30. The first two bats tested at 167 and 188 which is hotter than the U2 and both bats are well used. The USSSA bats which are about a year old tested 290 SPlus, and the F Plus 300 well above the 240 mark. The CNT is NIW and it tested out at 331 as did the Synergy 2. He also had his friends PST's tested. One was the new ASA model and the other the USSSA model. Both tested out at over 400+

So the question is why do we have to buy different bats for ASA, USSSA, and NSA? If this machine is the last word in if a bat is legal for ASA play next year at their tournaments and if any bat passes then I would assume that bat would legal to use.

One wonders how long it will be before the data on the USSSA bats is lost or that 240 number is raised.
Walk
Sept. 3, 2005
Gary Heifner
248 posts
If I get the point of your post, you are saying that a whole bunch of the banned bats might actually pass the test and be legal. If that is the case, then maybe the money or pay off issues that ASA has denied all along might just be a bold faced lie and they have been sticking it to all of us. However, I have to be wrong. The supposed big dogs of associations wouldn't stick it to the very people whose money supports their jobs and way of life.
Sept. 3, 2005
Mitch
Men's 50
68 posts
Could one of you guys please explain what these numbers mean and just exactly does this bat testing machine work?? Does it compress the bat and look for a figure in compression? Walk, you said that they didn't throw out bats if they fall "below" the 240 mark. I guess that means anything below 240 is "hotter" and anything above 240 is "not as hot", is this correct??
Thanks
Sept. 4, 2005
Walk
192 posts
Per the person doing the testing with the machine the 240 mark is the lowest a bat test and still be legal for ASA play. Anything below that is too hot for play next year and anything above that is ok. Which makes me ask the question if a USSSA bat passes this test then it will be ok for ASA play. My buddy asked this question. The answer he got was
silence.

I was then told by someone else via e-mail in ASA that the number 240 is wrong and it is suppose to be 280. Which if you look at the numbers I was quoted many of the USSSA bats still passed. I asked the same question again about the legal use of the USSSA bats and to this date no answer. Anyone want to bet on if and when this data for the USSSA bats gets lost or when we hear the machine was not set right?

Gary it has never been the fault of ASA didn't you know that. It has always been the fault of the bat companies and ball companies. They were the ones who forced these new rules by pushing the limit. They have always had the players best interest at heart. It never once was about money. Now I am sick.
Walk
PS My buddy called this morning and told me a NIW U2 also passed the 240 test.
Sept. 4, 2005
Mitch
Men's 50
68 posts
I've always thought the Freak Plus and the Synergy 2 were pretty hot bats, but according to the figures you show here, they're actually pretty sad. That's "IF" the figures this guy got from the machine are correct and he ran the test properly. I can see where this is going to be a topic of "much" discussion.
Sept. 7, 2005
Robo2
213 posts
I question the machine results simply because I have a Synergy Extended 30 oz and a UII. Both well broken in. The UII will carry significantly further than the Extended and has a wider sweet spot. This is not scientifically based. It is simply a few teammates taking BP on an open softball field. I like the Extended for what I got it for - a heavier bat that is a substitute for the UII. I use it in leagues and in tournaments that do not allow the UII. But lets not kid anyone, the UII is a much better product.
Sept. 7, 2005
Walk
192 posts
My point to posting this is that these compression machines are flawed and should not be used as a true final test to see if the bat is legal. If a USSSA bat can pass the ASA test then why can it not be used?

Why do we have to have two bats if the USSSA bats pass their compression test. Yes the U2 is hotter but NIW it passed their compression test which would mean that if you used a NIW U2 it should be legal. They came up with the test and standards no one else did.

If the bat passes the test they use then it should be legal. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen and it is BS that players have to have both ASA and USSSA bats if the USSSA bats pass the test. I know some will say just buy the ASA bats but instead of saying that we should question if ASA actually knows what it is doing when it comes to bat testing.
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