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Nov. 11, 2010
JamesLG
299 posts
3 changes
Hi Folks:

If you could change 3 things about senior softball what would your top 3 be? Here are mine.

1. Go to at least a one up rule for HR's in all divisions excluding AA. I actually would prefer 2 up.
2. Move the bases 5 feet further out.
3. Give the pitcher more arc to work with. Right now the batter has too much of an advantage.

Thank You:

James
Nov. 11, 2010
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
392 posts
I don't have a wish list but I do prefer the 70' bases and think it might speed the game up a tad as well as there could be a few more double plays.
Nov. 11, 2010
SCRAPPY6
55 posts
2 out of three aint bad!! I played unlimited arc back in Michigan or as some called it "blooper ball". I felt it made a joke of the game. Right now SSUSA allows 6-12 and in Phoenix some guys were throwing 13-14 feet and the umpires let them do it! USSSA and most others have gone to a 6-10 arc so in Senior Ball we do get a higher pitch.
I like the other two alot !!
Scrapp6
Nov. 11, 2010
outfielder
Men's 65
58 posts
Would revise the unlimited runner rule, when you play in the outfield you do a lot of running and then when you bat you run for yourself and if you are a good runner you run for somebody most every inning, and that wears on you after about 6-8 games. Some of these guys can run but rather not for no other reason than being lazy.
Nov. 11, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
791 posts
James

1. Yes, good for all levels
2. Yes, more defense
3. No, would slow down the game
Nov. 12, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
1, yes
2, yes
3, no-lower to 4-10. This would allow the pitcher to put more "stuff" on a pitch on a lower faster pitch. More movement on the pitch would make it harder to hit.

My three are:
1) decrease divisions to 3
2) increase game times to 1hr, 30 minutes, with no time limit in final games
3) move bases back to 70'
Nov. 12, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
0-0 count. The way the game was meant to be played. You want games to be faster, pitch better and hustle on and off the field.

NO mat. The game was meant to be played with a vertical strike zone individualized to each batter, NOT horizontal and the same size for all.

NO time limits. The 'beauty' of baseball/softball is it is the only team game without a clock. What genius decided to ruin that?
Nov. 12, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Here I go again!! I agree with you Dirty.
Nov. 12, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bruce, I always knew there was hope for you. LOL

Now as far as some of these other guys.............................
Nov. 12, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1967 posts
Bruce-I like your 3. We have played 70 foot bases a few times and it makes a big difference. The automatic double goes away for a lot of guys, and double plays are much more common. Unlimited arc-while I wouldn't mind-not one of my top 3. (Comment on the 4-10, we play 6-10 in the city here and the thing I found is I got quick pitched a couple times and my hitting reaction took hard drives up the middle very close to the pitcher). The big problem with 90 min time limit is umpires-you have to pay them more per game and scheduling a large tourney-less games per field-more cost in a lot of cases, or more night games. It would be fun to have a couple tournaments set up for wide open softball-none of the 'new' rules (mats, hr limits, run limits, time limits, etc.)
Nov. 12, 2010
stick8
1275 posts
1)6-10 ft pitching arc
2)get rid of the 5 run per inning rule--each inning is an open inning
3)70 ft bases
Nov. 12, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1967 posts
Stick8-what if we took smaller steps on the 5 run rule-limit to 5 for the first 4 innings and then open innings after that with use of the flip-flop rule at 10 runs and a 15 run rule. Also, everyone sets a time limit. With the above limits, why not set a 6 inning minimum with a 70 minute time limit. If you go over 70 minutes in the 6th-it's over, but if under, you get the seventh. But, you get at least 6 in a competitive game. Then you schedule every 80 minutes.
This will probably get ripped up, too, but we really do have a lot of 5 inning games, and even had a 4 inning game once this year. This is meant to get people thinking of meaningful changes to some of the complaints.
Nov. 12, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
What is the reason for the 5-run limit? To speed up the game? If so, terrible reason. To keep games close? That is the job of the players to improve themselves, their team, and make themselves competitive. NOT for some hokey rule to try and do that.

Seriously, what was the reason for the rule in the first place? And is it only in Senior ball? I have not seen it anywhere else.
Nov. 12, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
791 posts
My top 3 would be -
1. One up HR rule after an X ammount
2. 70 foot bases
3. 3 divisions (Get rid of Major-plus)

I actually like the 5 run an inning rule. THAT is the biggest equalizer and that is why you can reduce the divisions down to 3. 90% of the games are close, which would not be the case if we had all open innings.
Nov. 12, 2010
Capt Kirk
405 posts
My top three would be:
1) no courtesy runners
2) 1&1 count
3) 7 inning games.
Nov. 12, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1967 posts
Jawood-why do we need an 'equalizer' to penalize better teams? Isn't the idea still that the better team wins? Are you saying that the divisions would have even more separation of abilities if the game were wide open? Having said that-you are totally correct that most games are very competitive and the limits keep them that way. That was why I said 4 innings limited, but 3 open gives the better team the edge, which they should have.
Nov. 12, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
791 posts
Webbie - I guess I agree with you if you are speaking of a bunch of teams with pretty much the same skill level.

I don't know if we would ever get to play in our region if we weren't limited to 5 runs an inning.
Nov. 12, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
1). 70 foot bases.
2). No Courtesy Runner, however, if used, courtesy runner should be the person who made the last out.
3). Longer and wider pitching box
Nov. 12, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Change can be good if players want them, however players do not have a say in the matter 99% of the time other than not attending the events.
The old saying; "money talks" is apriori here.
Back in '05 Nancy Allen, whom I haven't seen on here in a long time wrote a good post.
"! have written the special rules for several senior leagues, and I tend to go with the association that the park plays (ASA, NSA, etc.) then I add league rules for the count, time limit, runs per inning, strikes (I always give a 6 - 12' arch regardless of the park's association), home runs (I always figure that seniors deserve any home runs they hit, so if the teams are pretty equal, I make them all doubles, if they are unequal, I make one and then all others as singles), scoring, and sliding. If you give me an E-mail or FAX, I would be glad to send you an example."

Dirty, The 5 run rule was before this a few+ years.
Back when the games were done at the end of 7 and the umps played per game. Then the business end entered and time was a factor and games got cut off.
Nov. 12, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Couple of things.

One, Jawood are you a Socialist? :)

Two, there have always been money, umps, and long/longer games in softball. Why all of a sudden were these such factors that silly rules like this came into play?

And three, why isn't the run rule used for the kids? Don't all of these factors apply to their games as well? Or is it because they more consistently hustle on and off the field?
Nov. 12, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Wild guess here, if the young guys knew what they were gonna be stuck with they would maybe go elsewhere like u-trip which is likely where they came from...

Well I think the business end made a choice, the game or lifestyle &\or profit. Not hard to figure the choice made. But that is business and time is money.

I thing there is a futuristic path in that. That is age will drop again to 30-35 ish.
Thinking that was where\how ASA built up their game.
Even though they are primarily a fast pitch org now, they hold the key to all of the event orgs.
Nov. 12, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Dirty there are very few KIDS playing Senior Softball, therefore not a factor.
I only wish I could watch the KIDS when they are in their 50's,60's, and 70's running off the field after each inning when they have played 3,4 or more games in 100 degree heat, or even after the above played in 75 degree temps. I dont care how good of shape you THINK you are in you wont be running off the field, plain & simple.

The issue of time limits is as Taits and others have said, economics. Too many teams being squeezed into x amount of hours, or not enough fields to accomodate them.
Nov. 12, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
E4, you might have missed my point, or I might not have said it clearly. Why are only Seniors, as far as I know, using the 5-run rule? Why not the younger/under 50/non-senior games? Aren't they also concerned about long games? Aren't their umps also concerned about length of games? Don't these games care about 'economics'? Yet they don't use the silly rule.
Nov. 12, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
My 3 things.
- 1-1 count with no extra foul ball
- Pitching box longer wider with 3-12 arc
- HR as singles, equalizer at 1.
Nov. 12, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
einstein,
The last one sure won't make the M+ teams happy.
Your 3 foot low end is out of line I think for slow pitch.
Why not have the low end be over the batters head?
If an ump can't judge (see) that one, he shouldn't be there.
Nov. 12, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Dirty, the run rule applies to all age and skill level divisions playing SSUSA, from the 40's thru 80's. The only rules differences are in Hr's allowed. Game times, 5 runs per inning, etc are all the same.
If you are talking KIDS in leagues you'll have to address your question to those leagues or city officials.
To answer your question, I guess Seniors are just better players then the KIDS in leagues and need to be restrained by runs per inning so we dont mercy each other. =)

Joe spoken like a true pitcher! =)
Nov. 12, 2010
FOFO
Men's 50
170 posts
I like the one up rule as long as anything exceeding 1 up is an out, not a single.
70ft sounds good.
limiting courtesy runners would be nice. We spend too much time getting runners into games and if teams have big and slow guys they should have to run bases like the rest of us. It's part of the game.
Nov. 12, 2010
stick8
1275 posts
Webbie25 it's just not the way the game was meant to be played. You could score 5 each inning and still lose the game in the open inning. Just seems odd to me.
I might be OK with time limits in the prelim games only just to get the games in but once the tournament round starts it's 7 innings and applicable mercy rules.
I'm fine with the flip flop rule. We play it now in Utrip and did it years ago in A ball.
One thing I forgot--combine major and major plus as well as AA and AAA.
Nov. 12, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
Dirty, Its been awhile since I played up your way, but, I remember 1 hour and 15 minutes per game around Breckville/ Independence cuz umpires were sort of unionized, i.e.. They wanted an hourly rate.
Last year at the lower end of the 48 the local Parks and Recreation went to 1 hour cuz of umpires and scorekeepers wanting more $$$.

Yes, I agree with you about the beauty of the game with no time limits, however, you will not find to many umps.

BTW, I also played in a "Gentlemens League", no umpires, no time limt, no problems. Go Figure. Could it be that the players were actually acting like adults and behaving properly. LOL
Nov. 12, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
Dirty, Its been awhile since I played up your way, but, I remember 1 hour and 15 minutes per game around Breckville/ Independence cuz umpires were sort of unionized, i.e.. They wanted an hourly rate.
Last year at the lower end of the 48 the local Parks and Recreation went to 1 hour cuz of umpires and scorekeepers wanting more $$$.

Yes, I agree with you about the beauty of the game with no time limits, however, you will not find to many umps.

BTW, I also played in a "Gentlemens League", no umpires, no time limt, no problems. Go Figure. Could it be that the players were actually acting like adults and behaving properly. LOL
Nov. 12, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1967 posts
Stick8-I'm on your side-but,I know limited innings are probably not going away, and that's why I merely proposed an increase to 2 or 3 open innings.I would love to go back to not needing special rules and play the game. When they first did away with unlimited arc, our reaction was WHAT? Are you kidding? Now we have all sorts of rules. When they first came out with Hr limits in each class, we knew why-too many teams sandbagging, and that's still a problem. It even got so bad that it was an actual EJECTION from the game in ASA to hit a hr after you reached your limit. Sandbagging always will be a problem, too. But, seriously, with these bats we have had games where we make 1 or 2 actual outs in the first 5 innings. 25 runs. A lot of times our opponents hit with us and it is 25-22 or something after 5 and you wonder what it would have been with unlimited runs and unlimited homeruns. And also how long a game played the full seven with hitting like that would take. I played in a few games like that in the 80's, 57-42, 81-16, 65-34, lots of games 40's to 40's. They were long games, too, and some went close to 2 hours. They ended up backing off the liveliness of the balls, but they went too far with some of the RF80's. We were back to playing games like 8-6, 12-8 and the like. I don't like to see them tamper with the balls, because they never get it right for a year or two. With these bats, the same situation has returned and it does not look like they are going to change it. We have unbelievably hot bats so they have chosen to limit the game. Our debate is which limits do we want or are best for our game. SSUSA has done a great job providing us with great tournaments. They also provide this board so we can talk. I know they read every day. I'm just throwing out some 'outside the box' ideas.
To quote someone, somewhere that I have heard before 'lively bats and balls forever'. Well, with that comes the need to limit the game.
Nov. 12, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Web,
Nice comments.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Lively bats and balls forever
is the ONLY way to play our game.
I didn't say exploding bats and balls
forever though it does have a nice ring to it.

I started coming out against the current movement to dumb down
the bat ball combo and kill our game
when I realized there were other interests driving it
that would take the bat/ball level
far below what could be considered
fun to play i.e. TD's and manufacturers.
You can't use a ball that will penalize
a hitter for hitting the ball
dead center.
This is the acid test.
It's natural and intuitive
to meet the ball dead center.
We been taught and teaching ourselves
to do this since we was in little league.
As Clatta pointed out
it's the best way to insure
getting on base as it increases
dynamic possibilities
when striking the ball.

Now, when you add that a world record
was achieved this year for teams
at SSUSA in Phoenix after and only after
SSUSA guaranteed a whole year earlier
the caliber of bats, 1.21 and balls,
good 44x375 balls,
you have overwhelming and undisputable
evidence that senior like, want,
need and deserve to hit good bats
with good balls or
THEY WON'T COME.
I don't care who says different
and why because it goes against my entire experience playing ball
all my life and what I've seen, heard
and experienced for the last
13 years in senior ball.
And I speak for the GREAT majority of players and those who play our game
and our tournaments,
knows I do.
Lively bats and balls forever
is the ONLY way to play, to want to continue to play and invest in our game
and it's obvious and has been demonstrated far and wide and will be proven true, again and again and again.
Nov. 13, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
1) get a rating system for the player

2)3-12' pitching height

3)use the 52-275 ball for a safer game and more defense.lets not let anyone die.

time limits for games have been in place since the mid 80's.been hr limits at least since then,we used to throw unlimited pitches,then limits came.the game started with a boat paddle and a rolled up boxing glove,to be played in a gym,not outside.
Nov. 13, 2010
gary c
411 posts
SO TELL US IF THEY USED A DIFFERENT BAT OR BALL WOULD YOU WOULD QUIT GOING TO TOURNAMENTS? IF SO THEN WHY WOULD YOU PLAY IN A LEAGUE THAT DOSE NOT ALLOW HOT BATS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CONTRADICTION IN THOUGHT?
Nov. 13, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Why don't you get take a shot of booze
for courage and step up to the plate
and email me at joerinaldi56@yahoo.com
so we can take whatever problems
you might have with me off line.
That would be a character driven
manly thing to do and would spare
the web-site from having to deal
with your droppings all the time.
What do you say, sir or madam?
Do you qualify?
Or is what everyone is telling me about
the coward you must be, really true?
It's never too late to
find some courage and man/woman up.
Nov. 13, 2010
gary c
411 posts
MY PAL FRISCO JOEY
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD I WANT TO KNOW YOU? WHEN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW ME THAN WE CAN TALK. HERE ARE A COUPLE REASONS I WILL NOT CONTACT YOU ON YOUR
E MAIL . I HAVE TALKED TO SOMEONE THAT DID THAT AND THEY HAD TO BLOCK YOUR MAIL BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A WACK JOB. SECOND I LIKE VERBALLY KICKING YOUR ASS IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. THIRD I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND YOU DON'T KNOW ME.
IF I DECIDE TO LET YOU KNOW WHO I AM YOU WILL NEVER FORGET IT AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST
YOU ARE A FRISCO BOY
AND HOMIE DON'T PLAY THAT.
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
This thread is being moved to a new
one to keep from being cut by SSUSA.
See Gary C' con't to follow up.
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
einstein your last thread didnt last 15 minutes.i guess when you call out ssusa to do the right thing thay dont want to hear about it.ssusa its your turn
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I won't post on top of threads
anymore what I truly think and feel
is important or going on.
I'll start my own threads to make
any points I need to make.
For me, there's very important issues
at stake, personal and otherwise
and I won't back down.
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Joey why don't you call out truhitter
as a coward he did not ID himself?
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
you kidding me gary,that guy is agreeing with joey boy,he only attacks people who don't.
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
OK gary and puppy boy you sure seem to have a problem with einstein and thats beteewn you so i wont go there.But almost evertime you comment on a thread it gets closed and we the majoirty ok just me because thats who i speak for wish you would stay on topic Bill Thomsen WS LEGENDS 50 M
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
well bill(if that is your name)if you would read and i mean read what joey has done posted about us,you'll see that most of the crap that gets started is by joey boy,then yes it gets into a mud slinging contest.i have been called ,a bat doctor,in it for the money and other stuff by him b/c i promote a safer ball and thats it.he has had a prol with certain people b/c he got dumped by a company before even getting started with them and blames another for it.
and now for you to start calling names,well........... really sorry.... well you don't know me and i don't know you,and nor do i care to,if your attitude is gonna be like joey boy's(name calling).
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
MAD DOG you are so right i dont know the whole story so with that said I apolgize to you for the name calling just trying to push your buttons. no disrespect for a tru softball player and for the record BILL THOMSEN #10 WS LEGENDS 50M OGDEN UTAH
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
What is a true softball player someone who agrees with a person who goes after anyone with different point of view?
You should go back and read my first post ever and then read Joey's response.
Then make a decission on my actions.
mad dog knows what it is like and understands why I do what I do.
Thank you
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
gary i have read 90% of your post and i would say less than 10% has anything to do with softball.gary read your own posts not one says anything about you playing in a softball game but senoir baseball that is all you bring up so to answer your question a TRU SOFTBALL PLAYER IS SOMEONE THAT AT LEAST PLAYS THE GAME
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
bill no prol,we are having a discussion,doesn't matter if we agree.
gary is right on what he said about joey boy blasting since gary's first post.i will say that sometimes gary gets heated up by joey,but i can see why,should he retaliate,maybe yes,maybe no,not my call to make,or anyone else's i think.but hey as long as we just post what we think and stay civil,who cares who you are.
Nov. 14, 2010
JamesLG
299 posts

I think from the responses to the top 3 almost to a man the 1 up rule should be put into play in senior softball. If for nothing else it will add excitement to the last inning. I also thing we should without doubt move the bases back. I play third base and it would be nice to play the big guys back a little more and be able to make more plays. There is nothing wrong with the equipment we use now just make a couple small changes that will not cost anybody a dime. Keep if fun and hit it hard.
Thanks:

James
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
james,1 up rule will punish the visitor as they won't be able to go 1 up if the home does in the last inning.moving the bases back,maybe not such a big deal for most runners(the non-slow ones,LOL)but the throw will become longer if your playing back.also no matter what, the ball/bat combo we have,will not make it any easier for you to get to these rockets that get hit with our present day equipment.the going to the 52-275 ball will let us get to more balls,and keep us safer from the always present bad bounce.
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
I had a coach that told me "IF YOU CAN PLAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE THEY KNOW" with a name like TRUHITTER I guess you never heard that. I play 4 times a week but it seems unless you declare you are the voice of everyone who plays or brag how good you are some people think you have no right to comment. I never thought this was a place for bragging but maybe you do. That's your right.
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
well since we are bragging,in my last senior tourney in 4 games(round robin tourney),i was 10-12 with 2 hrs.yeah only 12 at bats,as we rotated the batting(last out from previous game batted last in the next game)order so all got the same or close to the same at bats.
Nov. 14, 2010
antieinstein
19 posts
I KNEW YOU COULD PLAY PAL AND I HOPE TO MEET YOU SOMEDAY.
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
MAD DOG i can call you that with out you getting upset like everyone else right?? so how did the other ladies hit JUST KIDDING LOL. GREAT TOURNEY
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
Hey gary c if TRUHITTER intimidates you you can just call me BILL!!! Now on to the real question you say you play 4 times a week so youre saying all you play is local leagues yet you care whats going on in nation wide tournments. Im with the majoirty if they say i can use super bat guess what iam going to use it and deal with any ball used
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
So what is the maximum you are allowed to play before you can't play in tournaments? I never said I didn't play in tournaments did I? I play when it is possible for my family and me. Why would I be intimidated by you? If you were a TRUHITTER you wouldn't need your hot and hot balls to be one
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
Ok gary you are right?I don't need a hot bat I would kick your butt with a broomstick and a sock JUST MY HUMBLE OPINON!!!!!! JUST SAYING!!
Nov. 14, 2010
Joncon
289 posts
""""If you could change 3 things about senior softball what would your top 3 be?""""




1. Get rid of Einstein

2. Get rid of Dirty

3. Get rid of gary c



:)
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
I will leave if einstein will leave .
whats wrong with Dirty?
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I been playing senior ball
for 13 years.
I love my community and friends.
I'm not going anywhere.
I'm being careful not to get this thread
chopped by current SSUSA practice.
Look on my threads for more pertinent
info regarding who Gary C both is
and isn't.
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
NOHITTER
You don't know what the word HUMBLE means sheep boy. The only thing TRUE about you is your lack of confidence or you wouldn't be telling us how good you are.
THIS IS SOFTBALL IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT GROW UP!
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
SORRY JONCON I TRIED!
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
HEY gary read the top of the page STUPID it says senoir softball nothing else.and in your words THIS IS SOFTBALL IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT???? SO why the HELL are you here on this site
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Because I enjoy it I don't live it.
SHEEP BOY relax this is the toy department of life. If it is more than that you I have one word to describe you. LOSER
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
Than why does your DUMBASS post everyday LOSER
Nov. 14, 2010
truhitter
25 posts
if i remember right you told someone to get a life SO IF THE SHOE FITS
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts

I AM NOT THE ONE THAT THINKS SOFTBALL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN LIFE YOU ARE.I DID NOT KNOW YOU ARE SUCH A FAN READING ALL MY POSTS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE AN AUTOGRAPH MADDOG AND I WILL BE SIGNING TOMORROW. THERE WILL BE A SLIGHT CHARGE TO GUYS WHO CAN'T HIT WITHOUT HELP FROM THERE ATOMIC BATS.
OR TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU. BAAAAAA
Nov. 15, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
My 3 choices for Change:

1) No more changes!

2) No more changes!!

3) No more changes!!!

When do we stop asking to change what has made us so happy for so many years?
Of course shorter games is an economic issue, probably the only reason for games to be time cut. As a capitalist I have to agree with their motives.
As a player I may not like it, but dont see where I can get the same entertainment value for anything less and still be able to interact with you mongrels. (I say that with respect)

If you are an identified poster, heres to you.
If you choose to remain anonymous, here to you.
Those who do identify I hope to meet you one day if I havent already, to those who dont, I can only hope we will one day, somehow.
Nov. 15, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
E4, artifically short games in very small brackets makes you "so happy"?

Pitchers looking like Sir Lancelot makes you 'so happy'?

I wish I could be as easily pleased. :)
Nov. 15, 2010
JamesLG
299 posts

It is kind of sad that a simple thread cannot go for a day or so before all the smack takes over. It gets old very quickly.

James
Nov. 15, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Dirty, its about the game, maybe that wasnt made clear.
25 teams in Phoenix, 20 teams in Vegas, those are just the 60AAA bracket.
We rarily see pitchers armored up, most prefer to sign off.
I suppose I dont take things quite as seriously as some, so yes I am easily pleased.
From most of your posts I doubt you can be pleased, let alone easily =)
Nov. 15, 2010
gary c
411 posts
E4/E6
If it was safe why would you have to sign off or armor up..
Nov. 15, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
GC, my stand on Senior Bats and lively balls hasnt waivered. I have never had an issue with safety, it hasnt been proven that there are more or less injuries since the composite equipment was first introduced. If there is evidence it hasnt been released to us on this site.
Dont misunderstand my position, I do care about safety, I just dont see it as being that big of an issue as we sit here today.
However, my issue with the Senior equipment is personal, I have always prided myself on playing a good SS/2b. Since 2002 or so that ability has been removed to the point of taking MOST infielders out of the game as we knew it.
Hence my screen name..........
Nov. 15, 2010
FOFO
Men's 50
170 posts
I'm with you James. It seems a lot of us have developed ADD in our old age.
I agree with E$.
I like the way the game is right now and I don't worry too much about major + teams not having anyone to play against. Perhaps I will feel differently if we were to get bumped but I don't really see the attraction in having a home run contest, I want to play a little defense.
I also pitch a little and don't feel my life is in danger. Most guys are not trying to hit the pitcher but if a ball does come up the middle I better be ready because it's part of the game and a great place to hit the ball. The day I get nervous is the day I stop pitching.
Nov. 15, 2010
gary c
411 posts
E4/E6
That is what I am saying if we used a different ball or league bats it would bring some defense back into the game. I think that would be a good thing.
Nov. 15, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
791 posts
FOFO Major-plus is not a HR hitting contest with outs after 10! Maybe it is a little in LVSSA with singles after the HR limit.

Whatever your level is, I would think you should be interested in making the game more enjoyable for all involved.

Nov. 15, 2010
FOFO
Men's 50
170 posts
I agree 100% with you Jaw. That's why I think they should make it a voluntary division, and remove all restrictions from the + divisions to make it more enjoyable for those that want to play that type of game. It also may make it more attractive so more teams WANT to move up.
Nov. 15, 2010
FOFO
Men's 50
170 posts
I agree 100% with you Jaw. That's why I think they should make it a voluntary division, and remove all restrictions from the + divisions to make it more enjoyable for those that want to play that type of game. It also may make it more attractive so more teams WANT to move up.
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