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Nov. 12, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bouncy softballs...
Wait a minute.
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Bouncy SOFTballs.
I have a dozen 52x275/300 balls now
half Dudley and half Trump.
The Dudley hit a little better
but they both bounce like new tennis
balls when thrown down on hard ground.
The balls I was pitching in Phoenix
one very hot game against GSF
bounced like tennis balls, too.
Hmmmmm.
Back to the point.
Being an infielder most of my career
I would get eaten up, dinged and faced
but overly bouncy balls.
I don't see how a very bouncy ball
wouldn't cause more injuries from hit balls than the less bouncy balls
we used this year in Phoenix,
LVSSA, SPA and NCSSA.
And if they are more bouncy
given hot hard infields/outfields
they would cause MORE injuries
than at present.
What does anyone think about this
and has anyone experienced anything like this when playing with 52 x 375 balls?
Nov. 12, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
And there is no doubt in anyone's mind
including from inside SSUSA
that if they didn't guarantee
1.21 bats and good 44 x 375 balls
they wouldn't have gotten anywhere near
the record attendance they/we experienced
in Phoenix this year or LVSSA
or SPA or SSWS or NCSSA.
That says it all what seniors
and senior ball is about regarding lively bats and balls
and anything else is like
playing with one's self.
Satisfying personally perhaps but
not to or for anyone else.
Nov. 13, 2010
gary c
411 posts
BLA BLA BLA same thing over and over no matter how many times you say it you are still wrong. People love the game not the bats. Joey You as a Frisco liberal you should understand that sometimes you have to save people from themselves. That's how you folks think when it's convenient for you. Maybe you and paraffin face Pelosi should take are hard earned money and pay for all the tournaments and buy HOT BATS for everyone.
People might complain at first but they would play if the game was made safer.
PEOPLE PLAY BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE GAME ! We can disagree but you know 95%of all people who play now would play no matter what. COME ON MAN!
Nov. 13, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
loved this gary,he makes a statement but leaves out the most important info.

THE 44 BALL DOES WAY MORE DAMAGE WHEN A PERSON IS HIT WITH IT THAN THE 52 BALL.

and that has been scientifically proved.

the 44 ball will have more major surgeries(my league i play in just had 5 for summer session) attached to it than the 52 ball.the 52 ball will leave a bruise,the 44 ball will break a bone.so tell me which ball is safer.
Nov. 13, 2010
gary c
411 posts
mad dog
As lawyers say when your right pound on the facts when your wrong pound on the table.( I think that's it)
I am not a lawyer. If I was I would be rich if they keep playing with the same equipment. This guy try's to make us out like evil people because unless you think his way you are a bad person because he is the only one who knows what is the right thing to do. Anyone with a brain and has played knows the livelier the equipment the more likely someone will get hurt. To say the game will be ruined if we would take a small step back and play a safer and more rounded game is ridiculous . Like it or not we have slowed down if I was thirty I would have no problem but I will be truthful I am older I still love the game but not enough to take a chance of getting killed. The MINES BIGGER THAN YOURS CROWD has a right to there opinion and I respect that but as the old saying goes
" DON'T PISS ON MY LEG AND TELL ME IT'S RAINING"
Nov. 13, 2010
olie04
Men's 50
47 posts
I have read just about every post on this site over the past year. In doing so I have noticed about 6 people who voice there opinion consistently and with great passion. This makes for a great debate and sometimes even viable issues are covered. One person however seems to post only with the intent to antagonise,demean, and whine like a child. This person is an anonymous poster who from his/her posts would appear to be a wanabe athlete. I am only basing this upon the responses this person writes. They all seem to be self serving comments with negative connotations. Try writing something that is positive bud/gal, you will be received (at least your post will),with a much more intelligent format and understanding. Just a thought from a person who puts a face behind a post.
Nov. 13, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Why do you need to identify if you have a good idea? If your not one of the good old boys dose that mean you are less of a athlete? That is the same thought that the verbal bully of the web site has. He brings this on by his ramblings and attacks on people with a different points of view./sir/or madam that's a
Frisco Joey sign I hope you guys have fun in Vegas
Nov. 13, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Olie,
Where you going with that gun
in your hand.
Good luck in Vegas.
This guy/gal is obvious to all of us
and embarrasses only himself and
SSUSA for allowing him to post at all.
He doesn't get that we get who he is
not and that someone who has qualified
to make personal comment about anyone
without standing in.
We call that gutless and cowardly
and don't blame the messenger.
That's all I hear at NorCal events
like the one I was at earlier today
at what a witless and gutless jerk
this guy/gal is.
Again, SSUSA has a responsibility
to enforce it's own code for disparaging behavior or leave us
to defend ourselves from irresponsible
and unaccountable attacks like
from whomever.
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Joey Joey
You wine on and on about my personal attacks hows this one?
He doesn't get that we get who he is
not and that someone who has qualified
to make personal comment about anyone
without standing in.
We call that gutless and cowardly
and don't blame the messenger.
That's all I hear at NorCal events
like the one I was at earlier today
at what a witless and gutless jerk
this guy
THAT'S YOU NOT ME THAT POSTED THAT PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
ollie04,do i know you,no,do you know me,no,but b/c you have so called let everyone and their mother know what your name is,i should think anything you post as revalent,answer nope.i could careless what or if you put a name out there for all to see,its your post that weighs most with me,write a stupid post and guess what,i'll think your post is stupid,write something that is good than vice/versa,it has nothing to do with your name being avail to see.

garyc he can't practice what he preaches,b/c he knows he is wrong.those descriptions of bad posters fit him to the tee...
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Unoriginal, disingenuous rubbish
by the usual suspects.
Keep posting guys.
The truth comes out in the end.
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
oh joey boy you really can't see it can you..................
Nov. 14, 2010
olie04
Men's 50
47 posts
Poster using moniker "mad Dog"
If you play softball west of the rockies and don't know me, then you must play AA ball. If you play east of the rockies then our paths have never crossed. I obviously don't know you because you are anonymous. You have chosen to be anonymous for whatever reason you may have. I can respect that. As far a writing a stupid post, stupid would be your percetion of stupid, good etc. People with such strong opinions as yours will only hold credence or credibility with me when you are passionate enough to put a real name to it. Where I grew up if you talked the talk, you better walk the walk. If you didn't you were getting your a** handed to you or were labeled a pussy. I am not attacking you or your opinion. I am just voicing mine. Good day sir/madam.
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I found that most to all of the players
I know, play with and against,
feel just like Olie does.
It's just these couple of n'eer do wells
who think otherwise.
We've been learning, practicing and executing the "rules" of responsible
manhood since we was babies
and it's the same rules that apply today.
If you make personally critical comments about someone else
without standing in as yourself
you're wrong and gutless and
will be treated as such by the men
in the community.
Anybody who sides with one these guys
Robbie, should be ready
to live and die with him.

Just like in Lonesome Dove.
"You ride with an outlaw
you die with an outlaw."

Studies have shown that when people are/have to be accountable
they behave less reckless and disrespectful and are more responsible
to/for others.
Common sense, really and
a law of true manhood
a la America 2010.

Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Who the hell are you no wonder you use OLLIE where is your friend Stan?(FRISCO?) Where you come from sheep have to keep looking over there shoulder. Quit bragging if you were that good you would not need to tell us. sir/madam/Kim give it a rest
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Joey what you know about being a man?
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You don't fool anyone,
clown sir/madam/child.
Show up if your so bad.
Contact me.
I'll let everyone know
you're not a coward and you'll be famous and get what you deserve for being so disrespectful of others.
Till then, your just a sissy
and should be treated like one.
Nov. 14, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
gary c and einstein,
I thought I set up a special message section for you guys to knock yourself out at each other or whoever wanted to just "bitch", speaking "just" for myself, I am sick of listening to you two !
This board was designed and set up to help the senior softball player........you two sure are helping this cause at all !!! Before you comment, as I know both of you can read..........and as I said "speaking just for myself"
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I would have taken this off line
weeks ago and away from everyone else
but sissy boy/girl doesn't have the stones to contact me.
Take a pill or a shot of booze
whatever guys like you need
to summon up some courage
and contact me.
joerinaldi56@yahoo.com
It's never to late
to step up to the plate.
Nov. 14, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Kenny.
What am I supposed to do with this malingering clown.
I tried not commenting hoping SSUSA
would rise to meet their own standard
for disparaging conduct and behavior
and nothing.
I've offered a zillion times
to talk with this person to settle
or try to settle whatever differences
we might have but he/she refuses
at every turn
only to use the web-site for self-centered, irresponsible conduct.

SSUSA and it's admin
needs to stand up for its/our
standard for disparaging conduct
and behavior and secure the environment
for the rest of the community.

Lastly, for now.
There can be no reasoning or bargaining with a terrorist particularly
an anonymous one.
None.
That person must come identifiable
and in good faith if any true solution
can be had.

Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
#6
You have a very good point .I have tried to calm the situation and he won't have anything to do with it. Read his last couple of posts and see what I mean
Nov. 14, 2010
gary c
411 posts
My good friend EINSTEIN seems to be lonesome he want's anyone who has not identified themselves to CONTACT HIM ON HIS WEB-SITE if you don't want to be called a coward and have your opinions mean something do this at once or he will ask that you be banned from the site.
His e mail address joerinaldi56@yahoo.com
Just a final note the last person that did this had to block. him
ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Nov. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
OLLIE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ME EVEN IF I HAD LEFT MY NAME THERE(I JUST RECENTLY TOOK MY LAST NAME OFF MY PROFILE).I MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN YOU REGARDLESS IF I HAD PLAYED YOU.I CAN SAY I HAVE PLAYED AGAINST AT LEAST 1000 DIFFERENT PLAYERS WHILE PLAYING SENIOR SOFTBALL.YOU DO THE MATH ON WHETHER I WOULD KNOW YOU....
WHY WOULD KNOWING MY FULL NAME BE PREVALENT TO ANYTHING THAT I POST,NOPE IT WOULDN'T,JUST AS YOURSELF.
ALSO WHAT SOFTBALL MESSAGE BOARD DO YOU KNOW OF THAT REQUIRES THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT POST HAVE THEIR INFO OUT THERE FOR PUBLIC VIEW,NONE THAT I KNOW OF,SO PLEASE ALL OF YOU GET OFF THAT DEAD HORSE.
Nov. 15, 2010
Omar Khayyam
1004 posts
einstein assures us that because SSUSA guaranteed the 1.21 bats and 44x375 balls this year, they had a record attendance in Phoenix. In fact, he states that without that guarantee, they would only have half the teams. Letís see if that is true.

Phoenix TOC in 2007 326 teams
Phoenix TOC in 2008 318 teams
Phoenix TOC in 2009 315 teams
Phoenix TOC in 2010 329 teams

2007 had NO GUARANTEES of lively bat/ball combo. It had 326 teams. This year had einsteinís praised guarantee. Result? Less than a 1% increase!! Not 100% as einstein claims.

After 2007 came two years of a bad economy, but Phoenix still had more that 314 teams. Even if we compare this yearís attendance WITH THE GUARANTEE, to last yearís, we see a puny 4% increase!

In other words, once again, facts donít lie. einsteinís theory is baloney. Only three more teams came this year than the previous high. What a turnout in support of lively balls and bats! einsteinís claim of endorsement of lively bats and balls by this yearís ďhugeĒ turnout is spurious, invalid, wrong. ĎNuf said?
Nov. 15, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
We've been using minimum,
44x375 balls in all SSUSA events
for a while now and before that
it was 47 or 44 x 525 balls.
Before all the "movement" to dumb down our game, TD's didn't have to guarantee
the balls because the high caliber
of balls WAS A GIVEN.
What an amalgam of intellectual fluff
and as usual completely off the mark.
When seniors know the bat/ball combo is going to be good enough to have fun
they invest.
That's what SSUSA, SPA, NCSSA and LVSSA
have learned and all demonstrate.
Game, set and match.
Let me say it again because it feels
so good.
Game, set and match.
Nov. 15, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Omar again by a TKO
Nov. 15, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hysterical Stuff Robert.
It sounds like somebody told you
who Olie is.
Your comments remind me of the scene
in Godfather 2 when the landlord has just learned that the guy he disrespected in the street
is the Godfather
played by Robert DeNiro.
Hysterical and the best scene
in the movie.
Nov. 15, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
Using their (SSUSA) newspaper as a "guarantee' or standard as stated, check the latest issue or maybe another for the balls. But older issues will show a different bat standard.
44\375 balls
1.21 bpf bats
But I would assume, like many other issues here, the bucket for that has holes in it so the water will leak out.
Nov. 15, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
joey boy please make some sense,i don't know ollie,don't care if i ever meet him,he is just another senior player posting here.if we happen to meet so be it,i'll say hi to him if i know it is him.so what the hell is all the stupid movie crap about,as i said make some damn sense when you post.
hey i know what your problem is,you ran out of your ridlin for your ADD haven't you......
Nov. 15, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Thanks, again, Robert.
It was hysterical.
Nov. 15, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Watch it mad dog or he will tell the teacher and you will be in trouble. MAN UP JOEY BOY
Nov. 15, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You're a coward.
Nov. 16, 2010
gary c
411 posts
NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT FRISCO JOEY
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