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Nov. 19, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
interesting reading
here is an article on BBS
http://www.softballfans.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12284714&posted=1#post12284714

now tell me how safe it is with our equipment.
Nov. 19, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
322 posts
MD-60, That info has been around for a while and both researchers are very knowledgable in their profession and softball. However, as a member of a tournament committee that sponsors Nationals for other associations I can say for sure that teams and players want senior bats and hot balls. I personally agree with you about defense, but senior softball is a business. The change will occur when all the senior associations agree to go to a lesser ball at the same time or a lawyer review the BBS information and tries to make a case that the association knew of the danger and failed to correct.
Nov. 19, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
322 posts
MD-60, That info has been around for a while and both researchers are very knowledgable in their profession and softball. However, as a member of a tournament committee that sponsors Nationals for other associations I can say for sure that teams and players want senior bats and hot balls. I personally agree with you about defense, but senior softball is a business. The change will occur when all the senior associations agree to go to a lesser ball at the same time or a lawyer review the BBS information and tries to make a case that the association knew of the danger and failed to correct.
Nov. 19, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Do you think people play because of the bats and balls and not the love of the game? Good business is doing what is right so the people that play the game are safe. If things stay the same all it will do is help the lawyers make even more money off the backs of senior softball.
Nov. 19, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
We play for the love of the game
and the game needs lively bats and balls.
That's what world record teams this year
in SSUSA have shown along with
SPA, NCSSA and LVSSA just to name a few.
There's no reason to dumb down
and kill the entire game
if some adjustments
need to be made in the areas of
liability and safety.
The more light that's shed on this subject, the clearer it will become
that any adjustments that need to be made can be made without
truly dampening
the experience of the game
we love to play.
Same old story.
Same old song.
Nov. 19, 2010
gary c
411 posts
This is softball not sex.
Nov. 19, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
And on the subject of business
and corporate themes and ethics
are we supposed to believe that the present day model is concerned about anything but profits and as such
do they deserve to be enfranchised
and obeyed like
we're all children
incapable of identifying and defining ourselves, concerns and interests independently?
Enron was a self interested corporation,
so was General Motors and Bear Stearns.
They had lawyers, too, were bullies and wrong and talked about
'the sky falling' often
if they weren't catered to and look where they went and would have us go.
I've said before and it's no less true
that there's a self righteous movement
in our society across the board
that includes senior softball
that is taking what's already successful
and redefining it as unsafe and lacking.
Let's make boxing, football, baseball
and anything they can suck some money
out of and make us feel a little better about ourselves at the same time
given all the crap
the world is going through.
Makes sense but
doesn't pass the smell test.


Nov. 19, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Come on man this crap should be on MSNBC with the rest of the left wing
wack jobs. Not on a softball site.
PLEASE STAY ON SUBJECT!
Nov. 19, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
322 posts
Gary...I would play with socks and broom handles (look up the name, its in the blood, lol.). Based on just organizing national and local tournaments the players WANT the senior bats and at present time the Fire ball. My own wish is for a more in the park game. However,the survey done a few years ago by SPA provide enough data for the associations to continue the bat and ball combo that most seniors desire.
Nov. 19, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Like I said wish I was a lawyer.
If all you want to do is hit homers than that's the game for you. There is alot of guys like myself that are starting to come over from the MSBL
that want to play a more rounded game
and in a short time if not already the results will be different.
I do thank you for all your hard work.
Nov. 19, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Len.
Graciously and learnedly said.
Lively bats and balls rule
and does reflect the majority opinion
about what seniors want and expect.
Nov. 19, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Hey Len,
Old ways die hard but real ball players
know whats right.
Nov. 19, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Len.
I've talked with some elite players
and some wanna be elite players
who espouse they resent not looking
as good compared with the others when the play with lively bats and balls.
They don't stand out or think
they stand out as much.
I say "too f-ing bad."
More guys doing better makes
the whole game and experience better.
That's why lively bats and balls work
because MORE players,
the great majority of players
enjoy themselves
perform better and have real fun.

The thing is that if these guys
are truly elite
they'll still be better when playing
with lively equipment
but some can't take the lack of distance between them and pack.
It scares 'em and makes 'em feel
more insecure
which I find both interesting and
more prevalent than one might think
from a distance.

A lot of times, guys who perform
at a high level are more insecure
and scared of failure than regular guys and turn that fear adrenaline into energy to perform better.
More fear means more adrenaline
which means more energy/force for performance.
It's why some of them
can be huge a-holes
and imbalanced and not the well grounded guys we need and like
our heroes to be.

You hear stuff like,
"he's a terrific player
but a real ass-hole" and at a distance
it doesn't make sense
but when you really listen and watch
you can hear and see the little person inside of 'em that's scared to death
and then it makes total sense.
Nov. 19, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
If you listen to anyone long enough
you'll hear and get what's going on inside of 'em and the size
of the person he/she is inside.
It's something none of us can avoid
or escape and the more experience
we have with people the more we get to know who they really are.
We can run but we can't hide.
Nov. 19, 2010
ShaneV
Men's 55
382 posts
The way I see it, the senior game is perfect today. With lesser balls or
bats, which is what I experienced from 1977 to 2005, even with perfect
technique I could never reach a 300'
fence. Often the fences were 275' or
285' but I could not reach them
either. As a result I've always been a
right side hitter with an occasional
down-the-line in the park-er. Only the
speed kind, never the power kind.

Today, only with the right swing and
contact, I enjoy a fence-clearing home
run now and then. I had my first ever
walk-off this year.

Though I respect the opinions of those
who would deny me this experience, I'm
grateful to those responsible for
making the bats, balls, and the rules,
that make this possible.

One more point. What usually decides
the close games? Number of home runs?
Distance of home runs? I think it's
least number of mistakes pitching, hitting with bats and making outs on
defense. Essentially the same game
I've been playing since I was 10.
Equipment has improved, like everything
else in our lives. Let's play!
Nov. 19, 2010
ShaneV
Men's 55
382 posts
Joe made a great point about the elite
player issue. I might not be so bold
to call it out but I will weigh in.

I've seen exactly what he describes
throughout my career. Often in the
most talented player who seems to BE
the most troubled, and who often
CAUSES the most trouble.

I've been fortunate to do more with
less, and to play with many who do the
same.

I've said it many times, I don't get to
play without a team, AND an opponent.
Nov. 19, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Brilliant, Shane.
And the way the most of us think.
I knew it all along but then again
I'm Einstein, ain't I?
The major softball associations
didn't get it wrong and are not gonna
be changing their standards
anytime soon.
That's SSUSA, NCSSA, LVSSA, SPA,
SSWS and Huntsman ALL used
lively bats and balls.
More players want to participate
because more players hit better therefore play better and enjoy themselves more and this is the recipe
for real success for those with the positive sense and self-confidence
to accept and admit it.
That'd be game, set and match
for the good guys.
Nov. 19, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
to me the player who doesn't want to go the 52-275 ball is afraid that he won't be the BMOC any more.his skills will show how woefully they are with this ball.hitting a ball better doesn't make a better player,just makes him more egoistical and sometimes not even a team player.he looks to hit it out more often when a base hit will do as much for his team than not,as it will keep an inning going instead of hitting that long fly out b/c he wanted to hit it hard,but hey he looked good doing it.oh and when he gets back to the bench its"hey i just missed that".

like i have said,the 52-275 ball does play good and keeps the game safer for us old guys who have slowed down with our reflexes,and we all have.
Nov. 20, 2010
gary c
411 posts
mad dog you can't argue with an idiot.
NOT YOU SHANE
Nov. 20, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
I this a guy playing first this week with a worth gold dot (44\375) ball on the knee & knocked him over.
Had he not been wearing a good thick pad on both knees I believe I would have broke it. Still could barely walk on it but at least he could.
I seriously doubt the 52 ball would make all close hits slight but probably many. I also think that while they may fly, you need to hit them a "specific" way to enable the flight to go just right from what I read in post here about those balls.
Wither way, if used in games both teams will be using it, so that part is a lever playing field.
Nov. 20, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
Should have started out; I hit a guy....
Nov. 20, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
i got hit 2 weeks back(a senior tourney,44-375 trump ball)in the calf by the hitter behind me(power hitting lefty)while i was on first.it was 2 outs and i went on his swing and he got me about 4' off the base.my leg from the knee down is black and blue,still swollen,and a knot in the calf still(prolly should of went to the doc's,but...).i can't run(had to come out of the game)still,i feel if it had been the 52-275 ball i would be ok for play almost immediately after being hit.
i have seen to many near misses along with guys getting hit in senior ball,and wonder why we need to take these chances of loosing life or limb with dangerous equipment.
lets get back to a safer and saner game by using the 52-275 ball.
Nov. 20, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
oh forgot to add,thank goodness it didn't get bone...
Nov. 20, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bobby.
Had it been a wet sponge or a pillow
you'd have come out even better.
That would give a new meaning
to Sponge Bob that would be entertaining.
If it's too hot for you, bobby,
get out of the kitchen
but the great majority of us
have spoken.
Game, set and match.
Nov. 20, 2010
gary c
411 posts

mad dog
If bullshit was music frisco would have a band.
GAME SET AND MATCH
Nov. 20, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
No one cares or should about someone
who isn't responsible enough
to be accountable for his/her
negative actions
and whatever they have to say.
They're like fans at a game
who figure because they paid for a ticket they can say say/shout/crap whatever and where ever they want.
It might be legal but it's wrong
irresponsible and lacks character,
integrity and courage.
and we all get it.
And that would be a majority opinion.
Nov. 20, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
687 posts
Shane V, Great points!!!! I completely agree with your post. Thanks Harry
Nov. 20, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
what is your point joey boy,i was running,not in the field,i had no glove to defend myself.you are just no good of a person and do not care for the welfare of your fellow softball player as seen by your callous posts when someone gets hurt by our hot equipment.
and my offer still stands,10 of me against 10 of you,b/c i have that much confidence in my ability to play,where as you don't,and that can be seen by your being afraid to have to play defense with a "bouncy ball".man up joey boy.
so game,set, match to whatever game your playing.....
Nov. 20, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
and to add joey,i'm not scared of anyone on the field,especially you,you don't have the talent to scare anyone,just a 1 trick pony,swing from the heels and see if i can hit it out type......

i get picked up to play with the kids all the time to pitch for them and have no prol with playing with them.. so tell me how hot do you think their kitchens are,no prol for me....
Nov. 20, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Character,integrity,courage something
FRISCO Josephine knows nothing about.
What is this elite player crap.If you play in the highest division or in just local leagues you opinion carries no more or less weight than anyone else's. The best player I know never plays in tournaments because he thinks all that travel is a pain in the ass and he has played in the highest level of ball. So just because some YOYO says he knows these elite players and they say this or that BFD who cares. Lets be honest we are a bunch of old guys trying to have fun and enjoy life. Some of you guys sound like a bunch of frustrated jocks who think senior softball is the most important thing in the world. I have met some great guys since I started playing senior ball but just like anything else when people take something that is supposed to be recreational to serious they the ruin it for all.
Nov. 20, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Harry.
Right on.
My fan analogy has got real legs
regarding the difference between
responsible people and those who aren't and just throw stones and
move their lips
without ever saying anything
but who, in fact,
they are NOT.

Fans are not players.
Fans think that buying a ticket
means they know the game (the room)
and say stuff that sounds like they do
but that's not true...
they just think they do.
They're generally clueless
about what's going on
and what it takes to be a player and
to really play the game,
are not really connected
with the players and
never have/take
responsibility for their behavior
good, bad or indifferent.
But they sure can scream and say
lots of stupid, self-indicting,
ridiculously ignorant stuff.
Can't they.

Fans are diminished by comparison
with true players not unlike
what happens on the website.
And there's a number One Fan
in every sense of the word on our board.
Just like a wanna-be cowboy.
All hat and no cattle.
Gary C is a fan of our web-site
and community, our number One Fan.
Nov. 20, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sponge Bob and my Number One Fan.
Keep up the good work.
Nov. 20, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Frisco Joe
Please stop fantasying about me it makes me uncomfortable and your life partner will be very jealous and will take your big boy bat away and you won't feel like a man anymore I now know why you were a teacher you like to hang around young boys and now older guys.That's another reason you won't get my info you freak.
Nov. 20, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Your words define YOU,
your lack of character
and bad intentions.
Keep up the good work.


Nov. 20, 2010
gary c
411 posts
joey the sixties are over cut your hair take a bath and grow up.
Play the whole game not just half.
Nov. 20, 2010
JamesLG
305 posts

Shane:

Great post. The equipment we use now is fun and fast. The league you helped setup in Lacy where we all get to hit the ball hard with no dead ball outs is the way it should be. We usually play one NSA tourney every year and the ball is crap and many of the guys I know would never travel to play a game like that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with guys our size being able to hit the ball out of the park and having a blast doing it.
Thanks:

James
Nov. 20, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey James.
Right on.
We won the war though there might be
one or two small skirmishes left.
Lively bats and balls mean
the greatest number of players
have the most fun playing softball
and everybody wins.
Players, fans, TD's and manufacturers.
Nov. 20, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Great post Shane. Just what I thought little guys bring able to act like big guys.There is half a game you guys are missing but it's up yo you.
Nov. 20, 2010
outfielder
Men's 65
58 posts
SSUSA when are you going to do something about this trash on this site, there is nothing productive about these people trashing each other and I believe most of us are sick and tired of this childish crap. Please do something before you lose all control
Nov. 20, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
That's a great point, Doug.
SSUSA needs to make a judgment
about disparaging conduct/comments
I do believe.
It has been a point of mine
all along that anyone who characteristically and
without good faith antagonizes/disparages
others be censored and/or suspended.

Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
I THINK THAT IS THE POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK.
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
If you care to read my posts vis a vis
my Number One Fan you'll discover
that I learned a lesson about disparaging behavior since the
last conflict.
Disparaging conduct
has no place on this site
and as and if I'm guilty of disparaging
statements and accusations
I should be removed.
I accept that.
But this last time, especially
I have not been if you read
what I have said and done.
I've been responding carefully
around and through someone who has been disparaging with positions and reasons
why this person is wrong and should cease disparaging and disrespecting
all of us.
I agree that SSUSA should do something
to enforce it's standards
just like you but it must do so
effectively using judgment and common
sense.
I'm not sure they have or want to spend
the time to find out who's who
or who's not but
meaningful regulation is necessary
to the positive operation of any social entity in this society at this time.

My number One Fan is OBVIOUSLY guilty of numerous counts of irresponsible and bad intentioned behavior
since the hiatus and should be judged
as such by any and all.
He doesn't really care about what
he's doing to you or me or any of us
and that's obvious, too.
It's a just a character he's created
with nothing to lose and he can create another just as easily.

Real problems never got resolved
without real involvement of precious
time and energy with important
if difficult calls/judgments being made.
Sadly but really,
this is the case.
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Gary, my number One Fan.
This 'thing' you have for me,
this obsessional thing with its
so many sexual references
reveals deep fear
and frustration about yourself
and your sexual orientation.
It's getting clearer all the time.
You should get some help
before you explode all over yourself
and your life.
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Frisco Joe
You did a good thing when you apologized to me and the others on this site for your constant attacks on those you disagree with. I accepted it and never said another thing why did you start the attacks all over again?
You are repeating your tired old lines over and over.
Why must you keep attacking me when you know that when I say you don't know enough about how to play the game the way it was meant to be played is true. Just hitting the ball far is not the whole game I have never seen you post anything about defense that's because you are a one dimensional player who found if you spend enough on a bat you can play with the big boys. Swing hard hit ball far! Believe it or not there is a lot more to the game and if you need help I am sure some of the guys would be more than happy to teach them to you. I should have known this before how can I argue with someone who just can't understand the finer parts of the game thru no fault of there own because when you start to compete late in life you can't be expected to grasp the concept of team sports. Maybe that is why you have had trouble staying on a team.
Stop worrying about me and worry about your self. I really don't care about who or what you partner is it's none of my business
Nov. 21, 2010
ChiPrimeMarty
Men's 55
71 posts
I enjoy playing Senior Softball
regardless of how hot the bats are.
I think most players would would still love to play this game
even if we used U-trip/NSA bats
or balls that took some distance off senior bats.
IMO less hot equipment would not hurt this game
and possibly improve it, for 3 reasons:

1) Fewer home run outs, and trying not to hit a home run.
Players like hot bats because they can hit the ball harder & farther,
but then the home run limit becomes a factor
that IMO does not enhance the essence of the game.
We once won a game on a walk-off homer
by the other team because it was an out.

2) Injuries. Face it, we're not as fast
and our reflexes aren't as quick as 20 years ago
but a lot of guys are just as strong.
I see more injuries from batted balls
at Senior tourneys than I do in all-ages league play
that my Senior teammates still play in.
If someone gets killed (a real possibility)
then we might see a pitcher screen
or some other rule change
that we like even less than lesser bats.

3) Defense & shortened games.
With slower players & hotter bats
Defense becomes less of a factor
and games are more likely to go less than 7 innings.

Anyway, that's my two cents.
I don't want to get into an argument
about psychology and egos.
I just want what's best for our sport
and those who love to play it.
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You're obviously obsessed with me
in some psycho-sexual way.
It's clear from your frequent
gay references
and it's making me and others uncomfortable and sick.
Please stop.
You're troubled but it's not my
or our community's fault.
Get some help.
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Who are you talking to?
Marty just blew your hot bat idea away and you come with that.
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Gary,
I don't want to have to talk with you
or about you anymore.
Leave me alone and
get some help.
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Marty.
You're entitled to your opinion
even though the great majority of those who play senior ball disagree.
We think lively bats and balls
are integral to the experience/enjoyment
of playing.
But it's cool.
Opinions are like pie-holes.
Everybody's got one.
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
TO QUOTE BIG JACK:Frisco Joey
"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"
MARTY BY KO
GAME SET MATCH
Nov. 21, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
687 posts
Hi gary c, Just because somebody comes up on your side does not mean the discussion is over. Marty has some great points and I do agree with his observations. As I told our 3rd baseman when he came into the infield from the outfield with the way things are it is 50-50. You put the glove down and sometimes it goes in and some times it doesn't. I enjoy playing both ends of the game but would not want to change the way we play the game. just my opinion. Thanks Harry
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
I agree with you Harry just trying to show what it's like when the village idiot dose it to us on the other side. I don't agree with you but I respect your opinion. The game is better when it is played the way it was meant to be played. I have said this before why don't you think the pro's don't play with aluminum bats? SOMEONE WOULD GET KILLED
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Gary C, my Number One Fan,
has let the cat out of the bag.
He's obsessed with me and it has
nothing to do with me.
He bashes people and what do we know about gay or black or short
or whatever kind of people bashing?
Those who can't live and let others live and be as equals are profoundly ignorant people marked by deep insecurity about themselves,
in Gary's case,
his sexual orientation,
and their fundamental worth as people.
They need to put others down
to convince THEMSELVES that they're
not what they feel/fear THEMSELVES
to be.
Obviously, Gary's worried that he's gay
given all his male sexual references
and that's why he bashes someone else,
anyone to try to prove to us
and himself that he is not.
That he is in fact "better"
than he perceives himself to be.

It's OK, Gary, whoever you are.
We're all God's children
and should be treated and valued
equally by all.
But your problem is not our problem.
It's getting clearer, too
why you wouldn't want us to know
who you really are.
Get some help.
Nov. 21, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
687 posts
gary c, I watched a 48 and over baseball game at the Roy Hobbs tourney in Fort Myers last weekend. I found it very enjoyable. They have gone to wooden bats where they were aluminum in the past. The last time I played baseball we used aluminium bats (many many years ago). I did not like the outfielders playing maybe 220 from home plate. I found the same thing true with the ASA bats in Burlington N.C. this past August.There was much more infield defense with the ASA bats. I and a lot of players did not find it as enjoyable. My brother told me to find the Budweiser sign that was at the Red Sox main spring training field and a few years back he hit it over the e in the sign for a home run . I believe that was with the aluminum bat. We enjoy playing no matter what the equipment maybe. I believe that we can all find a league where we are happy playing in and go and play. Thanks Harry
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Joey you lied again you do want to talk to me. When your throw the race card with no proof that means you know you are wrong.Typical of a long haired hippie stuck in the 60s.I am your biggest fan I have nominated you for the VILLAGE IDIOT'S HALL OF FAME .
"REAL MEN PLAY REAL SOFTBALL NO STEROIDS NO LOADED BATS
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Harry,
Very true and if you go back to my first post I never said we had to change I just asked if it would be possible to have a few tournaments with ASA bats. That's when the village idiot went nuts.The rest is history.
Nov. 21, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
687 posts
gary c, There are ASA tourneys and then there are the rest. As far as I know ASA is the only organization that plays with the restricted bats. They do however play with the 44 core ball. I am not sure about that but I do think I am right. I also believe that if that is what you want to play then go and play it. Thanks Harry
Nov. 21, 2010
Jose #12
Men's 60
86 posts
Harry I agree with you. I know our team prefers hitting with the senior bats and we are far from a power team.

In winning the 60 AAA's in Ft. Myers, we hit three HR's in 7 games (2 of those with a 20 MPH tailwind).

Jose
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Harry,
I have and enjoyed them much more then playing what I call video softball.
I like the challenge that you have to hit a ball well to be rewarded.
Plus no screens,no guys playing infield looking like catchers no home run limits because only real power hitters hit homers. I just thought other associations might want to do the same to test the players skills.
I think you must admit that weak hitters are much better hitters with hot bats.
Nov. 21, 2010
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
mad dog,
Don't blame the ball for your leg injury a few weeks ago. If you got hit in the leg 4 ft. off 1st base by as you say a power hitting lefty, it doesn't matter if it was a 44-375 or a 52-275.
You ain't that far away from the batter.
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
He might have had chance to get out of the way with the 52-275.
Nov. 21, 2010
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
I can't believe that you really think that is true.
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Jose, Birdie and AI.
Right on.
You represent us
the great majority of those who play
senior softball and the Associations
that serve us.
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
A133
I do and you know it is true. Even if it hit him he might have been able to at least had time to turn so it would have been a glancing blow. I just don't understand this macho bullshit.
If the village idiot is in your corner you must admit that's scary.
By the way you better ID or the village idiot will think your not a man.
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Gary.
You're obviously obsessed with me
and all your sexual references
have made me and some of us
uncomfortable.
I've asked you not to talk to me or disparage me
but you seem unable to stop.
You need help.
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Frisco Joey
I didn't refer to you unless you are the village idiot I was talking to
A 133.
If you looking for that kinky stuff go on one of those gay bay sights and leave us normal guys alone
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Normal guys aren't sexually obsessed
with other men, Gary
like you are with me.
Ironically, you did not reveal your identity but we all know now
who you are.
It's the fear of being gay or anything that's debilitating, Gary.
It's the fear that makes one ignorant
and damages the personality.
It's the fear that makes one attack
others and try to convince yourself
your not as bad as you believe.
And you thought you could remain
anonymous.
You can run, son, but you can't hide.
Get some help.

Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Leave me alone YOU predator no wonder you were a teacher in the shity by the bay. Leave me alone HOMO JOE.
YOU NO TALENT SOFTBALL SISSY
Nov. 21, 2010
gary c
411 posts
SWING HARD HIT BALL FAR NO CATCH BALL
Nov. 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
He reveals himself again and again.
He's one sick puppy
around his sexual identity.
He disparages with every stroke
unable to control his behavior
on the site.
Obviously, he needs help
and we need some help dealing with him.
Outfielder's right.
There's no place on the board
for this kind of sick, disparaging,
unaccountable, disturbed and irresponsible behavior.
No place at all.
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