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Discussion: How Many Swings???

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Jan. 9, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
How Many Swings???
1. Discuss "ANY BRAND" of Senior Bat that you own or have owned!! Stock only!!!

2. Discuss "ANY BRAND" of ASA or other Assoc. that you own or have owned!! Stock Only!!!

Please: None rolled or whatever!!

How many swings have you gotten out of your Senior Bat or ASA or other Assoc. before it cracked?

My reasoning: I am trying to get a mathematical figure on how much it costs per swing to own Bats.

Tater50
Jan. 9, 2011
JBTexas
Men's 65
264 posts
Tater, other factor is type hitter, I'm a base hitter and had my Ultra II for two years. average 110 games a year plus practice. I have over 1000 swings and still going, I don't a Hr hitters would het the same.
Jan. 9, 2011
JBTexas
Men's 65
264 posts
Sorry, should have said I don't think a home run hitters would get the same results
Jan. 9, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4394 posts
All from NIW
Senior bats
Easton SCX2, original Synergy. About 150 before what I'd call broke in. Broke it at about 5-600. Still have another one in wrapper in storage.

Grey Ultra original, hot out of the wrap.

U2, depending on which year they came out broe in at 25-75 lasted anywhere from 75 hits to about 500+ or so. Hard to judge since other guys also used them.

Freak100 broke in at about 75 hits sold them when I had at about 300 hits and still no cracks.

The Decker Jump bat got HOT* at about 50, broke at 75 for the 26 ozer, Jump 30oz bat broke in at about 125 hits broke it at right at about 300. One of the companied I tested for. Bat never made it to shelves.
*Hot, Bat actually changed colors there it was going to crack.

ASA
Freak DST ok at about 100 hits.
Worth EST black C405P ok at about 25 hits and still going strong.


Jan. 9, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4394 posts
I think you'll find that the average will be about 350 hits. Solid hits, not miss hits. Or roughly a years use for the singles to extra base hitter. More for the singles guy. Less for the Hr person.
Also if bat us used by various types of players will sway the results.
Jan. 9, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
u-2,the original one,broke in fairly quick and broke maybe after at least 750 swings on my first one(also was kind of a team bat).never did break another one,as i never let them be a team bat after that.
combat senior's,all broke in fairly quick like the u-2's,and all have lasted at least 1k swings except for 1(the red 10" one)that lasted maybe 300 swings.

now for ASA bats,i can't remember breaking any of them on my own(the team thing again)and still have ones that have well over the 750 swing mark on them.i trade them too much,to really track them.did take 100-200 swings to break them in.

usssa bats,never have broke one as i don't play it as much as the other assoc's and still use the syn-2 for it.only have 2 usssa bats left anyways,all the others i have traded away.the only ones that broke in fairly quick were the combat ones.

now for metal ones,they all lasted fairly well except the demarini double walls that came out in the 90's.i still have an worth est that was bought in 97,got over 1k swings on it.

i'm not that hard on bats i think....
Jan. 9, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
Scenario: If I pay $200 for a SB & I get 200 hits I am paying $1 per swing; not too much of a deal. If I own 3 SBs @ that price; I am really going in the hole!!!

I do not know if the older bats were designed better or what, but I have been swinging a Gold Launch 510 (bought NIW totally Stock)since 07' & still have not gotten a crack in it.

I hear all the upbeat talk about the newer bats, but $1 a pop does not suit me!!

Tater50

PS: I just cracked a dbl wall DMarini (ASA BP bat) after 2000+ hits & I did that in cold weather.
Jan. 9, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4394 posts
The older ones like the Classic were pretty good but too many models cracked or dented to be worth the cost.
Jan. 9, 2011
leroy28
Men's 50
23 posts
If a bat is hot when you take the wrapper off put it back in your bag and use it for game only because it will not last. Then get a bp bat like the one tater50 said he had. I get 75 to 100 swings out of a u2. No senior or usssa bat will last in cool weather that i have found. Was hitting last week 56 degrees with a resmondo titan 50 swings
Jan. 9, 2011
Omar Khayyam
1002 posts
tater, I play about 100 games a year where I use my Ultra II. Don't hit many foul balls, so I hit the ball about 5-6 times a game. I've had the same 28oz. U2 for 7 years. That's 3500 hits...and still going! I also use it for batting practice!!! Make that about 4000 swings.

Difference is I'm more of a singles hitter than a home run hitter and in California, I seldom play in really cold weather (under 45 is really cold in California), so my experience is a bit different. But paying 7 cents a hit is really a bargain!
Jan. 10, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1992 posts
I went through 4 U2's and 1 Freak Plus last year. The last U2 I got for a tournament on September 12-13 in Albuquerque. Because of a hip injury, I only used it in tournament play which was about 3 games-12 swings on Sept.13, and took it to KC on September 26-27. My last 2 AB's in KC found a dead spot on it. At best 35 swings. No BP. I got to use it for BP after that for about 35 more swings before it cracked almost in half. Let's see-35 quality swings at almost $200-- ummmm--$6.00 a swing?? Too bad it is way too cold here to try my new Reebok.
Jan. 10, 2011
Mario
Men's 50
381 posts
I broke 3 U2's this year with a total of 250 swings on them. One of them broke on the very 1st swing. I also broke a Freak Plus 28 oz. after about 600-700 swings. My new Reebok has about 370 swings on it and it only has a small crack in it. Being a HR hitter, I'll take the Reebok any day.
Jan. 10, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
Webbie25: Mario: that's real expensive!!!

You guys power hitters??

I can see the difference between BHitters & PHitters.

I guess other companies have seen the need to manufacture a more resilient SBat. $6+ a swing; that can deplete a wallet real quick & make you want to just play league (ASA/USSSA) ball!!!

Tater50
Jan. 10, 2011
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Webbie you must be a monster to break a Freak plus in one year........for my money the Freak plus (after the break in period) gives ya the best bang for the buck. Ultra's stay in the bag for tournaments and the Freak plus carries the load for BP and leagues. Had one for 4 yrs and just broke it last season. I cried.....but am looking for another one.
Jan. 10, 2011
Lefty
Men's 65
498 posts
John wait until you figure out how much
it cost you for each swing at a tourney. Made me sick. A day of work,travel expense, eats and hotel. That's a bunch of money per hit. I do it cause I like to play softball and
make new friends. I like to talk. It's
just the Cajun in me.
Jan. 10, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1992 posts
Corky-aren't you John Reid's friend? Ask him-yes I do hit for power. The Freak I bought near the end of 2009 and let everyone use it for league, but I was the one that broke it.
Jan. 10, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
corky those freak plus's were know to break at the handle just below the barrel.
Jan. 10, 2011
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Yeah Webbie, sorry to admit John's an old buddy..(really old)......don't believe anything he says about me (unless its good)..........Same with my Freak Plus.......everyone hit with it and loved it.......hit .862 in Plano with it......Mad dog mine broke right in the sweet spot. Man I miss that bat.
Jan. 10, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
Lefty: you & I are talkers; I understand the desire to play SSB; friends & all; but I think the reason other companies have jumped on board in reference to SSBBats is there is a big market for a bat that can hold up.

I am a wait & see guy; so I will keep using my Gold 510 & my old U2 & when I need another one; I'll probably buy one of your used ones that you have already broken in LOL!!

Tater50
Jan. 10, 2011
leroy28
Men's 50
23 posts
I think i'm gonna get a reebok melee usssa bat. I have hit with one,you won't be real proud of how far you hit it but it will last a while in hot or cold. I usually don't have to worry so much about cold weather in south ga but thir year has me shopping for bats that will last a while or either start hitting dimple balls. The reebok from anaconda sportsis 99 bucks
Jan. 10, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
tater am really surprised the 510 has held up,nobody i know has had one last more than 250 swings.

yeah corky if they did last they were hell on wheels.

leroy have heard from the kids that the regular melee's were not that bad of a bat both ASA and USSSA.
Jan. 11, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
Mad Dog: totally surprises me too!! Bought 2 NIW; got a deal off of Ebay. One is till NIW: For "me": I have hit many balls off of a tee & the 510 hits just as far as the U2 (ASA model) that I have.

The ASA U2 is so rare that I do not want to use it, since I have 2 510's.

Of course; like others, I do not use the 510 in practice, just game time, so I have no clue how many swings are on it, but 3 years worth is quite a lot.

I am a decent power hitter, so I hit fairly hard.

But: I will be thankful

Tater50
John
Jan. 11, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
tater your right about the pop of the 510,the ones i saw were great for pop,to me most all the senior bats are close in pop,its just the durability of them that differ's.
Jan. 11, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
the 510 is a proven bat...the reebok isn't yet !I have a 510 and it's been great.
Jan. 11, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
#6 if you had been at the georgetown tourney in nov you could of swung the reebok,but no you had to go on a retreat for your kind....DOH,LOL...



Jan. 11, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
mad dog, we had Bob come from Dallas seveal weeks before Georgetown.........a lot of us used it, only a few liked it.So in answer to your post above, we swung it whwle you were home in bed in those funny red shorts .LOL.
Time will tell, it needs to be tested, I still go with the 510, Toxic or Ultra 2.
Jan. 11, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
forgot about that,but why did you not show for Georgetown,we had a bunch of coors light for ya....LOL

i hit it there and i like it,even tho it wasn't my weight for the bats i like to swing.still surprised the 510 has held up for ya,all other people that i have seen with them didn't last,but your not a masher like doker,LOL.i never swung the 510 or the toxic which is the next version.
Jan. 11, 2011
hombre
Men's 60
220 posts
Occassionally I hit the ball pretty hard, but I'm not a crusher. Having said that, my 2002 Ultra lasted about three years and 3000 to 4000 hits. Every black ultra that I've bought since has given me 300 to 350 hits. The red max load, while performing great, only last about 150 hits. One gray and five yellow combats have given me between 800 to 900 hits each. At CST two years ago I took a gold Launch 510 out of the wrapper and it broke the second round of BP, about 25 hits. My ASA Freak 98 has lasted three years and is as solid as a log. The ball doesn't go anywhere, but I don't have to worry about breaking it in BP.
I hope that gives you some comparative data.
Jan. 11, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
Hombre: Wondering; the 510 @ the CST that broke; what was the temperature?

I try VERY hard not to use any of my bats very much if the temps are below 60; especially if they have been sitting in the trunk of the vehicle.

In the spring when temps are lower & if I am traveling 100+ miles, will put the bats up front to catch the heat.

Just curious!! How many of the above posts that spoke of broken bats were using them in warmer temps; say above 60.

Tater50
Jan. 12, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1992 posts
Tater-the only one I broke that was close to 60 degrees was the freak early in the year. The 6.00 a swing bat was well into the 90's. I never use them for BP because all of our balls are waterlogged and old. I am worried about my latest U2, as I used it in Vegas and it was cool and wet.
Jan. 12, 2011
Mario
Men's 50
381 posts
It shouldn't matter that I am a power hitter. Bats should last longer that they do. The reason they went to composite bats, supposedly, was the cost of replacement bats. Composite bats are cheaper for the manufactuer's to make, but they sure are costing us alot more than the CU31 alloy bats did.
Jan. 12, 2011
hombre
Men's 60
220 posts
Tater: I believe that the temperature was in the high 50's or low 60's. I went to the gray Combat and there was no problem. I purchased the 510 for $100 on the internet just as the new maroon ones were coming out. I don't know if that might have been an issue.
Jan. 13, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
I'll stick w/the 510 until these 2 break; these reponses on this thread & others do not give me any incentive to buy any other bats; especially in this economy.

Tater50
Jan. 13, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
tater any bat i have broken has been above 60 degrees,i'm to much of a sissy to go bp in colder temps..LOL....now i'll play tourneys in it,went and played with the kids last year and at game time(10 am)it was around 25 degrees,it warm up to 38 at 4 pm.have to agree about this economy,it sucks...

mario,as a power hitter you usually swing a little harder and put more stress on a bat.for the time cu-31 bats were costing way up there,the worth power cell's that i bought(mid 80's) were priced in the $130's,no i didn't buy at that price,but waited till the place they were at went down to $50 b/c they couldn't sell them.
Jan. 14, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
Question: was Miken & Worth bought by the same company back in 04?

Tater50
Jan. 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
k2 was the owner of both at one time,i think,anyway yes they are both owned by 1 company not sure of the year tho,but your close.
Jan. 14, 2011
hitman
Men's 65
307 posts
I believe that K-2 was bought out by Rawlings.
I know for a fact that Worth RETURNS go thru Rawlings.
Rawlings now owns MIKEN, WORTH and K-2 but they sell and warranty as the separate companies that they were before being bought out.
I haven't had any warranty problems with either Worth or Miken except for bats that were altered and were correctly denied warranty.
They were not my bats but some of my customers!!!!!!!!!!! The young guys hardly have any bats that haven't been altered.
Miken U2's have really declined in durability and only on special circumstance have they given warranty on premature failures.
It appears that REEBOK is the future.

The Hitman #13
Jan. 15, 2011
Tater50
336 posts
My logic: If K-2 owned Miken & Worth; then it would be advantageous to make the U2 & the 510 comparable cause you would want to promote Worth & Miken lovers for the betterment of your sales.

That's why for "me" I test bats off of a tee & make the determination as to which hits the best. The 510 has performed in accordance w/the U2 that I own.

Tater50
John
Jan. 15, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
hitman yes,but it would seem the bigger company now should have a little better product,i had forgot about rawlings and the buy of k2 by them.guess its kind of like wilson buying demarini.little guy gets bought up and service/product goes down.
Jan. 19, 2011
Mario
Men's 50
381 posts
All m y Ultra 11's broke with the temperature above 70 degrees.
Jan. 20, 2011
Hombre33
3 posts
Well my Reebok ME'LEE Senior Bat Fell apart I had about 45 hits on it, I am not for sure but I think this bat was made in China, Be Careful if you are thinking of buying one I would not do it, You are better off with a Miken these Reebok bats are not Durable.
Jan. 21, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
hitman, you conclude that "REEBOK is the future" based on such a small sampling and short period of time? And from what I am reading on this site they are failing at a remarkable rate.

Surely you jest.
Jan. 21, 2011
John27
Men's 50
32 posts
Gary19, I don't think the Reebok has been tested enough to get a real feel for it's durability yet. Hopefully, mine and the other failures on here were just lemons.
Jan. 21, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
That could be, John. It is early to tell either way. But it just seems like the first comments are not necessarily very favorable concerning durability.

Guys just can't expect obscene pop and durability. What makes the bats so lively is what also makes them fragile.
Jan. 21, 2011
John27
Men's 50
32 posts
Gary19, I'm sure they could take some pop away and make them more durable. All you need is 301 feet on the fields I play on, 350-400 doesn't count for anything more.
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