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Feb. 13, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
TOC
had a good time there,a few small glitches here and there,but overall everything was good.
met webbie,curveball(again),and a few others.
now i would be careful about what that webbie guys says on here as we know he is from that high altitude area in new mexico....LOL.....they don't get a lot of oxygen there to the brain...lol.hope you guys won your div mark......
Feb. 13, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2586 posts
We also had a great time! Nice seeing you Webbie. I wish Wagon had taken it easy on us in our game.
If only the early morning temps would have been 15 degrees warmer.
I'll see some of you next weekend at CST and the follow weekend in Jax for the SPA qualifier.
Feb. 14, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
Bruce, mad dog--great to meet you guys and all the other. We beat Pat's to win it. Our guys have never played better. Our game with R & R was unbelievable-30-28 in 8 innings. Thanks to all that came up and said hi.
Feb. 15, 2011
notretiredyet555
Men's 55
30 posts
Webbie, good to meet you this weekend. Congrats on the win. You guys were a hitting machine in our championship game. That was the one game we forgot how to hit. David, left center for Pats Sports.
Feb. 15, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
Hey David-thanks-we enjoyed playing you guys!! Thanks for coming up and talking-that to me is what this is all about! I'm sure taking some flak about not going to first when I hit that second homerun-nice bat control, too---not. Good thing there was only one out so we got that 5th run. What a dufus I was!
We saw you hit for 2 games-you have a great team. Hope to see you again.

Mark
Feb. 15, 2011
huff17
13 posts
Congrats to the Desperados for winning the 55 AAA - unbelievable team, but even better guys - you are the class of Senior Softball and really epitomize what we all want to get out of the game. You play hard, hit like crazy, field well, celebrate strong, but play with respect and have a blast. We love playing you guys - see you in Reno - John Huffman R&R
Feb. 15, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Just wondering. If the Desperados are all that, and they might very well be, shouldn't they be playing higher than AAA?
Feb. 15, 2011
huff17
13 posts
Well not sure about that not our call, but from my vantage point based on the closeness of the games in the last 3 big tournaments we have played in, there is parity like never before. So either everyone deserves to be in the next level or perhaps Senior Softball officials have done an amazing job in rating the teams
Feb. 16, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
huff17-On behalf of the Desperados, thank you.
John, we have enjoyed the 'rivalry (as Dave Dowell put it) that we have developed with you guys. What a game that was Saturday-could have gone either way right down to the last pitch. But the comment we all made about you guys was that when we went through the line shaking hands, every smile from your team was genuine. Gentlemen, that's what this game is about to me, and that's what keeps us playing. Thanks, and can't wait to renew this again!!! (provided Gary19 doesn't move us up)
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Webbie, don't you want to move up? Being the best you can be is what sports is about.
Feb. 16, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
Gary, I played open ball for a lot of my career. Of course I would love to. Whether we deserve as a team to move up, well we finished low in both Phoenix and Vegas. The parity is really unbelievable-teams like NY Motion, Pat's, JB's, R&R, ARO Clubbers, Bay State, Reno Express, California Express, CJ&S and the list goes on and on. Any of these teams can win on a given weekend and every game is close and competitive. SSUSA has done a great job matching us up so far, so I guess we will see.
All of this does not happen if SSUSA does not put in the time and effort to make it happen for us. When someone goes to complain about something, think of the alternative. We might have no senior ball at all. Then lets work within the system to make it better.
Feb. 16, 2011
kbl
Men's 60
523 posts
Webbie25- well written.
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Not at all saying it is a bad thing, but at the end of each year does the SSUSA turn a profit?
Feb. 16, 2011
kbl
Men's 60
523 posts
gary19--sure they turn a profit and seniors have well run tournaments. we had great umpires, great competition.
main thing is we played and had fun despite one negative things (cold).
have a nice day! ken
Feb. 16, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
I hope they turn a profit, or we won't have a venue to play like this. Why is it a sin any more to produce a good product and make a profit on it? I know we had problems with the cold, but let's get past that. When was the last time ASA or USSSA or any other organization put on a dinner for 119 teams. I can't remember that happening.
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Webbie, not a sin at all. My point was in response to the comment "All of this does not happen if SSUSA does not put in the time and effort to make it happen for us. When someone goes to complain about something, think of the alternative. We might have no senior ball at all."

Yes, no doubt there is a lot of time and effort, but they are making money while doing it. Like anyone else, they would probably stop if the profits did. So as long as players are paying, and they are profiting, there is the right to respectfully complain. Just as I assume you do, or would, if you got lousy food at a restaurant or lousy service most anywhere.
Feb. 16, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
Welcome to America, Gary.
Feb. 16, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
Y'know-I'm going one small step farther. If you feel the product is bad, go elsewhere, OR put out your own product that YOU feel is better, put your OWN money on the line, and see if it flies. Having your own softball association, say the SSODUSA (Senior Softball Of Dirty USA), try to compete with SSUSA and you will get a lot different view of how difficult what they do is. See if you don't want to make a profit. I bet you WOULD want to make that profit.
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Settle down there, big guy. Where did I say the product is bad? The rules are whacky, but I am sure in that regard they are just catering to their often-prideless clientele.

But the truth is once there is no profit, there will be no SSUSA. There will probably be no more time and effort. That is also America. You act like they are doing this just to be nice to old guys. Is that part of it? Perhaps. Is there a niche they found and money to be made? Of course.

Again, that is also America.

Feb. 16, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
mark,ken,you are fighting a loosing battle with gary,he only wants to just run it down b/c he doesn't play it and can't find a team that will let him play with them.he will run it down but offer no viable alternatives to senior softball for us to play.
Feb. 16, 2011
kbl
Men's 60
523 posts
mad dog--robert, did you get up to play in the spring classic yet? great weather for you. ken
Feb. 16, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
ken are you talking about the classic spring training,if so i'm going up tomorrow.

we don't start tourney play here till mar 6,and it is a NSA qual as NSA senior worlds are in texas this year,also so is USSSA, so we are gonna try and do both of those along with the SSUSA,SPA tourney's.
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
sad puppy doing his thing, getting personal again.

What did I run down? They are a business, more power to them, but they are no doubt and rightfully so here to make a buck, or at least not to lose any. I know plenty of people who do expend a lot of time and effort at no profit, and often a loss, to them. That is charity. This is not.

Viable alternatives? Well, as I have said MANY times considering the still often very small brackets at tournaments going back to playing the game the way it was meant to be played, the way it was when we first started playing, might not be a bad idea. Reducing the number of age groups and classifications will expand bracket sizes. No need for four classifications, just too many. No need for age groups every 5 years, at least below 60, again too many. Just doing those will make the product better.

puppy, want more alternatives?
Feb. 16, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
Mad dog-Just yanking his chain as hard as he yanks ours. I really believe he writes a lot just for reaction. I understand that, as I do it too.
C'mon Gary-put it out there-no run limits, no homerun limits, no courtesy runners, seven innings no mercy rule, wood bats or Steele's Bats or Bombats, 320 foot fences, 44/375 balls, 50-59 age bracket, 60-69, 70-79 and 80-89, and a wide open over 90 division (watch out centurians! You have to play with the 'young' 90's players). You might just find me first in line to play!! :-)
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Webbie, you will have to excuse the humorless yelping puppy.

Actually, the game you described doesn't sound so bad. At least it would require guys to do more than just swing special bats and call that playing the 'game'.
Feb. 16, 2011
db14
90 posts
My God.... Gary or Dirty or Whiner give us all a break and start your own association so you can be an army of one..... now I know why tigers eat their young!
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
You really think everyone likes a watered-down version of the game.

Just wondering, when you were young did you sit around wishing you could play a version of the game with time limits, run limits, mats, second home plates, PPRs, pitcher's boxes, bogus courtesy runners, home run limits, infields that look like miniature golf holes, and pitchers that look like hockey goalies? If not, what makes all of that so appealing to you now?
Feb. 16, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
must as there is over 300 teams across the nation playing senior ball,what team do you play for.......

oh all that you have mention except for the miniature golf course is done in the kids ball,so what is your point.......
Feb. 16, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
300 teams registered, or actively playing? And how much do those who play really play?

BTW, in a nation of 300 million with a rapidly growing senior population even 300 is really not all that much.

They might very well happen elsewhere, but around here I have not seen mats, run limits and second home plates with the kids.
Feb. 16, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
Unhappy canine entity, aging bodies and fragile bodies and wishes not to lose what we once had are probably the main reason the game is still attractive to most of us that still play, and the reason we accept the 'whacky' rules. Is it to wrong to hold on to your 'youth' as long as you can? Personally, I will have a hard time accepting that I can no longer play the game when the time comes. My ability is already declining precipitously and I stare in amazement and disbelief at some of the plays I mess up now. I run like Grandpa McCoy and cover about as much ground in the outfield as the Statue of the David does. I do stupid stuff like not touching first on my second home run of the championship game Sunday. Or trying to throw home from the outfield and the ball rolls to s STOP before it gets to the plate. But, thanks to these bats I can still hit the 'bomb' and feel like I am not dead yet. It really is not a bad version of the game for being so 'watered down'.
Feb. 16, 2011
local
120 posts
Webbie, Congrats to the Desperados for winning the TOC and thanks for mentioning ARO Clubbers in the same breath with R&R and NY Motion. You guys will be moving up to Major Plus in no time !!!! WE will be waiting for you 60's AAA. Again good job !!!
Feb. 16, 2011
FOFO
Men's 50
160 posts
Had the opportunity to attend my first TOC this year as a fill in with Four Seasons. Yes it was cold and yes it is held at an odd time of year, but over all I had a great time. Facilities were OK and the competition was good.
I wished I could have played a little better and I could have helped my team win a few more games but I didn't.
The great thing was I met a good group of guys and had a fun week-end.
With a little luck, I'll be back next year and win the damn thing.
Many thanks to Rick and all the guys from Four Seasons. Hope to see you on the field again real soon.
Bert
Feb. 17, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Webbie, the only thing better about this version is the ability to hit 'bombs', as artifical and contrived as that has become. Defense has been taken away. Heck, with the bogus courtesy runner rule baserunning for some/many has been taken away. Hitting is all that is left.

If a guy just cares about hitting the ball hard just take BP. When I go to a game I would prefer if the entire game is there. You know, every able body running for hiimself and the old-fashioned requirement of getting three outs to earn your ups.

Maybe that is just me.
Feb. 17, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
From the looks of this board, it is just you!! :-) (smile with devils ears on goes here)

local, there are other teams we have played that are right there-Drillers, KC had a couple teams-their names escape me-sorry guys, old age, Island boys, all very even. I am having more fun than I have in many years.
Feb. 17, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
You are probably correct, though I have learned that thinking differently is not necessarily a bad thing. :)
Feb. 17, 2011
neck10
476 posts
just got back to the snow country,just wanted to say that the TOC was a joy for us to play in.The weather even cooperated a little better this year .The tournement went off with out a hitch as far as we are concerned ,we had fun nobody got hurt everyone got home safe all you casn ask for ,Hats off to the SSUSA staff for running a great tourney,just want to say thanks KINNCO SOFTBALL
Feb. 17, 2011
Pinky
13 posts
Dear Dirty Gary 19 If you would just go play with the youngsters you wouldn't have to put up with "special bats" and "special rules"
Feb. 17, 2011
paul0784
Men's 55
120 posts
Webbie congrats on winning the TOC. We did a descent job for not playing for 4 months. You guys hit the hell out of the ball and are a tough team. Thanks for mentioning the Bay State Bombers. Paul the coach
Feb. 17, 2011
LP
266 posts
Webbie25 was a good conversation we had at the motel in florida and was great to meet you, hope you all have a good softball year.
see you down the road. Larry
Feb. 17, 2011
LP
266 posts
And i dont want to forget mad dog, was hoping to get to play you all at the TOC but we forgot to win. but we had a good time, see you all in Baytown.
Feb. 17, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
300 is the tourney teams,tell me how many males over 50 do you think are in the 300 million population we have,that are able to be able to play or even want to anymore....

mark i used to play with the island boys...small world again...

i won't be making baytown larry,i'm still in florida at another softball function,come back next monday,my next tourney is georgetown(fidel's) mar 6th for the NSA qualifier.oh we went out first game sunday morning,dang it was cold at 8 am....
Feb. 18, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Is 300 registered tourney teams, or how many actually still play tournaments?

300 in a nation this size with a growing senior population is just not a very large number. Just isn't.
Feb. 18, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
over 300 showed for the phx world tourney in October.

so how many should there be....
Feb. 18, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Fair enough. At least you finally put some context to your '300' comment.

Not sure how many there should be. I just know that when you hear all too often of >6 team brackets, and from my experience this past year it is often the same teams, more would certainly be preferable.
Feb. 18, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
LP. Paulie, everybody that has been so great-thanks. I know all of the Desperados, being the family team that we are, value the friendships and camaraderie that has really developed over the last year. Our ladies are our backbone-and we must have had 15 at the TOC. All of us enjoy a few beers after a game and we extend an open invitation to anyone who wants to join us after a game at any tournament.
Feb. 18, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
webbie you didn't ask me to stay and have a beer..........:(:(.....LOL


distance between teams is a big factor on why you have small brackets,just depends on what part of the country you are.cali,florida have no prols getting good numbers for tourneys,the only div that suffers is the major+ as there are only a few teams in the div.
Feb. 19, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
mad dog-my bad-what an insensitive doophus I can be. Next time by all means come by and we will have a beer!! :-)
Feb. 19, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
maybe it was b/c i left before your champ game was done...LOL......oh that cooler i was carrying...well it wasn't water ..LOL
Feb. 19, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
I figured that!!! Sure enjoyed talking to you!
March 2, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1936 posts
BTW-Pat's catcher from the Championship game.. I enjoyed meeting you also. Nice to come up to bat and see a smile and a hi! Thanks!
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