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Discussion: TOC T ime O f C old

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Feb. 14, 2011
tg69
310 posts
TOC T ime O f C old
For my $600.00 I would rather have stayed at home and had snowball fights with my grandsons.Poor complex at Lakeland,Frost on the ground for the 8 AM game Sunday.My last trip to play in Feb. what should be played in late fall.The umpiring for our games were all good which was a plus but our team played just like we hadnt played in 4 months.Just my opinion.
Feb. 14, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
And people say the BCS is absurd for waiting 5 weeks to play their championship game. A FOUR month wait is really ridiculous.

Not much the organizers could do about the frost/weather, well except perhaps play the tournament when it should be and I am assuming the weather is typically better in October than February.

And it just stands to reason northern teams are not going to be anywhere near prepared physically to play this time of year.
Feb. 14, 2011
tg69
310 posts
I even heard that Major league baseball heard about it and are thinking about playing the World Series in April after the season ends in Oct..Just what I heard through the grape vine,may or may not be true.
Feb. 14, 2011
korbacatcher
14 posts
The Minnesota Masters and Minnesota Prize finished first and second, respectively, in the over 60 Major. Except for a few snowbirds, most of the players on these two teams last played in October in Phoenix or November in Fort Myers.
Feb. 14, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
How many teams were in their bracket, and where were they from?
Feb. 14, 2011
tg69
310 posts
see,that just shows that the weather gave you a distinct advantage playing in the cold,wasnt fair for the warm climate teams to have to play in those conditions.Congrats to your team and all who earned their way there.Someone once told me that Id bitch if someone peed in my Wheaties,can you imagine that.
Feb. 14, 2011
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
403 posts
korbacatcher -correct me if I'm wrong but don't many of you lucky guys play inside a dome all winter?
Feb. 14, 2011
coop3636
58 posts
The following things did not make us lose any games. This is just my opinion to help make things better.

This was my first year to play in the TOC. I have been running tournaments and playing in them for many years like the rest of the players.
Here is a few suggestions for the future.

1) TOC needs to be played in same year you qualify in ( maybe week after Thanksgiving)
2) have scoreboards working for a TOC (Not too much to ask for a TOC and a high entry fee)
3) have it on a decent complex
4)Put in 2 new balls per game. We had to ask for a new ball to start 2 of our games (doen't cost that much more to do this)
5) Make the banquet good for the players. Have it inside and don't try to make alot of money off the players ($5 per beer) Senior softball makes good maoney throughout the year, this tournament should be for the players. Breaking even on this banquet should be the goal, not to make money)

If we qualify, we probably will come back because we love to play,I will just look forward to it more if some changes are made.
Feb. 14, 2011
tg69
310 posts
Coop how did work go this AM.How bout having the super bowl in August?
Feb. 14, 2011
korbacatcher
14 posts
Several of the Minnesota players who are retired (not me) play dome ball one or two days a week during the winter. In addition, some of us played in a two day, four to five game dome tournament in January in Rochester, Minnesota. It was 28 below zero outside one day and only in the low 40s inside the dome. Anyone who has played dome ball knows it is nothing like playing outside. For example, the wall in right field in the Rochester dome is only about 200' from home plate but 300' to left and center. Balls frequently hit the wall in right or off the ceiling, which is low. Balls that hit the ceiling or wall in fair territory are in play and are outs if caught before hitting the ground. Fly balls cannot go very high because of the low ceiling. The lighting is generally poor in domes so it is difficult to see and judge the ball. The floor is artificial turf so the ball bounces much differently than on a normal ball field. Some players like me who don't have the greatest eyesight have difficulty seeing the ball in a dome, even when hitting. However, there is no question that playing dome ball in the winter helps but again it is nothing like playing outside. We were glad to be able to play two mini-tournament games on Thursday and two seeding games on Friday before the tournament started on Saturday.
Feb. 14, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
korbacatcher, how many teams in the bracket and where are they from?
Feb. 14, 2011
smooth01
Men's 50
123 posts
How bout the TOC played in Kansas City in Febuary? That might even things out a little. or give East and Midwest teams a run differential,or maybe give them a break on entry fee,how can you classify a team as Major Plus, Major or AAA,when they are from The east or midwest and have to play a teams from West or South in FEBUARY ? It all comes down to money ,SSUSA will preach about equalization until it comes to TOC.Then everyone from the west and south brag about how strong they are ,only because of the weather climate they live in will give them an advantage.Teams from Arizona ,Calif, and Florida, wouldn't fair near as well as they would like people to believe, in a tournament located outside the sunbelt in FEB.
Feb. 14, 2011
tg69
310 posts
Amen,brother
Feb. 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
would it matter how many teams were in any of these div's,if so why.....these were all champs of major tournaments that were invited to come and play to see who is the best of all the champions...
Feb. 14, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
How many times must it be said? Move the TOC to November! Wow, 2 teams in the 50 Major-plus, 3 in the 55 Major-plus, 3 in the 60 Major-plus. Not enough teams? Too many divisions? Will it EVER change?
Feb. 14, 2011
d45
136 posts
There is a coach at Missouri Southern who has won several college Div.II baseball World Series. He tells his players, when you win don't Brag, and when you lose, don't WHINE!! It works for his teams. Enough said. I would love to see the TOC played three weeks after the Phoenix Worlds. I think that would be an equalizer. By the way, my very close friend in Mn. says they also a league throughout the winter in the domes as well.
Feb. 14, 2011
d45
136 posts
Hey, korbacatcher, you did say the Mn. players play a couple days a week in league dome play, didn't mean to step on you. Congratulations to the Mn.Masters and the Mn. Prize. You are a great group of ball players, but even more so, a great group of gentelmen!! Steve S. you know who I am in Colorado. Way to go, big fella!!
Feb. 15, 2011
leftyfalcon
Men's 65
158 posts
Gary they had 9 teams in the 60 major. I play with the Wild Bunch team and every team we played scored 5 runs most every inning. You have to score 3 to 5 every inning. We lose both of our games in the 7th. I had a great time and met alot of great ball players.
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