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March 16, 2011
Bull3131
Men's 50
14 posts
Combat Centenarian
Anyone have any information on this bat? Thanks
March 17, 2011
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Bat is pre-order(3/22/2011)for kellysultimatesports.com . Just says senior bat with 13" barrel full load or balanced. Our friend Einstein and Steve Imlay are involved in the review of this bat. I do believe that Joe(not sure) is pitching in the second video. Price is 199.99 with no warranty, black bat with blue lettering and white grip.
March 17, 2011
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Here is some info that I can pass along to the players. The new Combat Centenarian that has been produced by Combat is a different design from the Mike Macenko Senior Gear 2.
1. The new Combat C. does not have the Gear technology. It is a 13 inch barrel with a new low compression end plug. The same end plug is used in the new MM Gear 2.
2. The new Combat C. has a different endload. The bat swings a little bit heavier than the MM Gear 2. It is supposed to be more like the Gray Max Load on the Miken bats.
3. The bat does come endloaded and ballanced.
4. The bat swings a little bit more stiffer than the MM Gear two. 5. The colors are black with a blue and white logo.

We are suppose to recieve a shipment of the bats to Anaconda in the next day. You can give me a call at 330-419-0205 if interested in buying one. I am selling them for $199.95. So please give me a call and let me sell you some more Combat Sports bat technology.

If you go to
http://vodpod.com/watch/5689816-combat-centenarian-senior-bat-35-home-runs-round-2-steve-imlay
You can see senior softballer Steve Imlay hit some bombs off of Joe Rinaldi. Joe said he was trying to get him out but it wasn't working. Ha! ha! Just funnin with you Joe. Way to hit it Steve..

I hope this will help with the new Senior Combat Centenarian. If you have any questions just give me a call. Thanks.
Gorilla boy

March 17, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2629 posts
Thanks for the info Mike.
One thing, you should have picked someone else for the video, everyone knows Steve can mash even with a
broom stick!!
jk, Steve. You're a credit to senior softball1
March 17, 2011
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Bruce, I was not the one who did that. That was Steve helping out Mike Kelly at Ultimate Sports. Mike's son Anthony and Joe Rinaldi were also present. What we need is Joe hitting the bat. I believe Joe is playing 60+, maybe they have some of Joe. I realize Steve can mash it. It is still a good piece of hitting and showing what the bat can do. So instead of hitting them as far as Steve just try and hit them 340. Ha! Ha!.
Gorilla Boy
March 19, 2011
sliplayer
Men's 60
70 posts
Combat Centenarian Senior Softball
Here is my evaluation of the new Combat Centenarian bat. I have about 400 swings on the bat and hopefully I can get the swing count over 500 by end of this weekend.
MM I agree with your accurate description of the new Centenarian with the exception of it swinging heavy. The bat I was swinging was suppose to be an end loaded 28oz and to me the bat did not swing heavy maybe even light, but Iím use to hitting a 30oz end load and the heavier bat may swing heavier. The bat out of the wrapper swings like a exceptionally good broken in USSSA bat which is a very solid hitting bat, after a few hundred swings it loosens up and improves significantly, but still a little short of the Ultraís, MM yellow Combat (I havenít swung the new blue Combat but I understand itís comparable to MM yellow Combat) and the Reeboks. After 400 swings it has gotten hotter and hotter, last week I hit the bat and the ball was traveling a long ways and it was coming off the bat consistently (which is very important to me) and I was very impressed with the overall performance of the bat. Not only was the ball traveling well for distance the line drive hits were exceptionally hard.
Mike Kelly has described his perception of the break in of the bat and has been dead on up to this point. He is telling me that the bat will really loosen up around 450-500 swings. At that point the bat is going to be every bit as hot if not hotter than the other senior bats. I will let you know. He also described that the bat should get at least 700-1000 swings before it would possible break; again he has been correct predicting the response of the bat up to this point.
I hit this past weekend with Jerry Hester who was not overly impressed with the bat the weekend before (Iím being nice), but last weekend he loved the bat. Jerry was hitting the ball consistently well over 300í with the new Combat. Jerry did swing his Ultra ll twice and did out hit the Centenarian by about 10-15 feet. He did not swing his Ultra anymore because he was concerned it would break.
This is my interpretation of a seniorís desire in a bat:
The keys are performance, dependability and cost. The bat company that comes up with that combination is going to own a very strong share of the senior softball market. I get the feeling including from myself that senior players are getting frustrated paying $200 for a bat that last 40-100 swings, however I know they donít want to lose the performance that they have become accustom to with the other senior bats.
Iím not receiving compensation from any of the companies mentioned above so I have no bias over which bat I swing.
SLi
March 19, 2011
sliplayer
Men's 60
70 posts
Bruce, I hear that you won HR hitting contest in Spring Training???
You're the one who can hit with a broom stick!!!!!
SLi
March 19, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2629 posts
SLi, you've been informed incorrectly. I wish I had won the hr derby in Jax but alas, it was won by our friend and hero, Gary Deaton. I placed second.

Currently I'm at the Softball Magazine Spring Training in Cocoa Beach. The hr derby here was won by Bret VanBogert,(Bogie's son), second year in a row.
I was fortunate to win the base hitting contest.
March 20, 2011
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Steve, thanks for the feedback. Great review. I definitely understand that the players are getting frustrated paying 200 for a bat and it breaks way too soon. That is the hard part. Trying to make the bat lively and yet keep the durability issues. It is a fine line that hopefully the bat manufacturers will continue to try and improve on. Don't be satisfied with what you have. No matter how good a bat was I was always trying to think of a way to improve it. Keep up the great work.
Gorilla Boy
March 20, 2011
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Bruce and Steve, here is a flyer that I have on my web site. It tells a little bit more of the bat. Check it out..

http://www.bigcat844.com/combat-add-2011.html

Thanks.
Gorilla Boy
March 22, 2011
sliplayer
Men's 60
70 posts
Weather didn't cooperate so no additional swings on the Centenarian. MM great job on the flyer.
SLi
March 22, 2011
korbacatcher
14 posts
Is the length of the barrel 13 inches like the new blue senior combat?
March 22, 2011
kmtsports
2 posts
I have one in hand ready to ship... 27FL
March 22, 2011
kmtsports
2 posts
Please shoot me an email @ kmtsportsllc@gmail.com
March 23, 2011
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
To korbacatcher, yes the bat has a 13 in barrell.
Steve, appreciate the input and feedback..
We are expecting our delivery of the new Combat Centenarian today. We should be ready to start shipping the bats out in the next day or two.

Hope this helps. Thanks.
Gorilla Boy
March 23, 2011
korbacatcher
14 posts
To Gorilla Boy (aka Mike M), Thanks the information. I'll give you a call in a day or two to place an order. Never seen anyone hit the ball harder or farther than you.
March 24, 2011
sliplayer
Men's 60
70 posts
I was able to swing the bat yesterday and even though it was windy the bat is getting hotter and hotter. It's tough to evaluate bats accurately sometimes because of different factors (such as how fundamentally sound the hitter is that day,weather issues and ect.)
March 24, 2011
PattyMac
96 posts
Guys,

I have had the centenarian developmental bats since the TOC. The bats that i have were brand new and after 20-30 swings the bats broke in.
It is my opinion that the bats do swing a little heavy, but are every bit as good as anything on the market for senior players now. I have around 500 swings in the bats and they are only getting better and better. Big sweet spot and tremendous distance and solid line drives. Can't wait to get the real thing to use in tournament play.
One of my senior softball buddies thinks that the bats are better than anything he has.

Just my opinion.

PattyMac in Gulf Breeze
March 24, 2011
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
Hey PattyMac, Sounds like you are having some fun hitting bombs all day long. ha! Ha! I just want to let players know that I have some of the new Combat Centenarian being stocked into our system at Anaconda. If anybody is interested in getting one you can give me a call @ 330-419-0205 or e-mail me at mike@bigcat844.com. It must be a nice country when you can still hit bombs at 60 years old. Technology!!!Thanks for the input PattyMac.
Gorilla Boy
March 24, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4331 posts
Lets hope the "developmental bats" as you say are the same as the store bought ones.
This isn't always the case.
March 25, 2011
Lefty
Men's 65
466 posts
PattyMac you hide your age very well. To me your in better shape than most all 50 year olds.I believe you can hit the ball over a 300' fence easy with a single wall bat. Are you guys playing at Woodstock.
Joe Lefty Falcon #8
Dixie Senior Softball 55 AAA
Wild Bunch Softball 60's M
April 5, 2011
Bull3131
Men's 50
14 posts
Ordered my Combat Centenarian today from Mike....Hope I get it by the weekend to start breaking it in......cmon "Dude ina Brown suit"
April 25, 2011
Bubble Gum
64 posts

Question:

Is the "Combat Centenarian" the same as "Gray Combat Da Bomb" with a different paint job?

If there is a difference, please explain!

Thanks

April 25, 2011
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Combat CENSP134 2011 Centenarian Senior Softball Slowpitch Bat
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Combat CENSP134 2011 Centenarian Senior Softball Bat
Too hot for the kids!
100% Composite
13 inch barrel
Anisotropic Composite = 26.8% increased durability than previously tested senior bats
BFT: Blended Fiber Technology. Variable stiffness technology
Precision molding technology
NTI: Nanocomp Technology Inside
Separation barrier technology
Multi-wall design = larger sweet spot
Super soft barrel = Performance/Performance/Performance
Low compression end cap = eliminates end cap failures previously found on senior models
Stiff taper/soft barrel = can you say tennis racket?
Available in Balanced and End Loaded models
BPF 1.21
Available in Balanced and Full Loaded Swing Weights
Sizes/Weights: 34 in./26 oz., 34 in./27 oz., 34 in./28 oz., 34 in./30 oz.
Does not meet current ASA, NSA and USSSA standards.
Approved for Senior Softball U.S.A. (SSUSA)
Model No.: CENSP134

Sounds like a Dabomb with improvements on the end cap and durability.
April 27, 2011
terrymac
46 posts
The Ohio Classic at BeaverCreek Ohio is giving every team a Combat Centenarian May 21-22. Get a new bat and play ball next to Wright Patterson Air Force base.
April 27, 2011
PattyMac
96 posts
Guys,

Finally broke the developmental centenarian, over 1500 swings. Thought it would last forever.haha

Got my 27 full load centenarian 2 weeks ago. Broke in with around 50 swings. As good as the developmental bat, lively with a big sweet spot. Hits as good as any senior bat that i have ever had. Got around 500 swings on the 27 and is still going strong.

I will be swinging these bats and will have some in pensacola in a couple of weeks.

PattyMac
April 28, 2011
Ernies 53
Men's 50
23 posts
Sounds like maybe someone has the answer to all these breakage problems! If I could just get a bat to last one season I would be happy. Got my Centenarian yesterday but have not had a chance to swing it yet. I WILL keep everyone updated!
Jan. 12, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
looks like its been a long while since any one has updated this thread so here is a little additional info on the CC. I have had two for seven weeks now. 27 and 28.

I hit exclusively with the 28 for these comparisons.

Out of the wrapper they both hit like ASA bats on a clear 74 degree day and Florida Half Century balls. An occasional hit directly on the "sweet spot" would produce a 310-330 feet hit. Nothing from this bat after 40 cuts, found its way over the fence at this baseball field. For reference, on the same day, I hit eight balls with a 29 U2 with 22 swings on it. three of the eight went 350+

I also hit eight balls with the Orange Worth XXX 27.5 which has 60 cuts. One ball ( probably a lucky perfect swing ) hit the center field fence at JU's baseball field which is 405 feet while three others went out of left center field which is marked 345.

We returned to this field four times in seven weeks and put an additional 366 cuts on the combat. With each trip I would hit eight balls with the U2 and the Worth for comparison. Temps were always in the lower 70's. The combat lacked at least 30-40 feet in relation to these two bats. After approx. 200 cuts the bat was just starting to make that distinctive senior bat "crack" and the handle and barrel had begun to give me that flexy rebound feel.

With 300+ cuts I was starting to reach out to the 340+ feet mark pretty consistently and the bat had a sound like a U2. It still hasn't produced the overall distance the Worth and U2 have but was consistently within 20-30 feet.

At 350+ cuts it was NOT improving as far as distance but....it showed NO signs of giving up! NO rattle in the barrel and only cosmetic abrasions on the surface.

At the time of this writing the Combat has exactly 491 cuts, which , to me, is worthy of note for a senior bat. It still makes no rattle inside and shows NO signs of fatigue. My best U2 experience was 160-ish swings. My worst was 70-ish swings.I must again mention however, the average distance of well hit balls has NOT increased from the 350 cut level.

With this kind of durability though, I think Ill get two more later this year.

Just my two cents. Hope it helps!
Jan. 12, 2012
crusher
Men's 70
388 posts
gucci904 - your name is not shown, so, hopefully you can jut be direct to:
- What age range do you play
- Are you 6'8" at 275 lb
- U2's do not last with you because you can hit 400 feet

I am looking to get a composit bat this year and do not want it to break fast, so, if I can only hit a u2 325-340 do you think a U2 would last 500 tournament swings? This would be about 25 tournaments or 2-3 years.
Would appreciate your comments.
Jan. 12, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
I play 50's league ball and Florida half century

6'2" and 220 pounds. I would NOT consider myself a power hitter. Hitting the rare 400 footer in an enclosed baseball field where there is seldom any wind at all,is not a eye popping feat with a U2.I have had U2's last almost 170 cuts and one which didn't reach 80. I have owned five. Two I am still swinging. Without hesitation I can tell you that for me, the U2 balanced is the best bat I have used for overall distance but the Orange Worth XXX is right there with it. AND two of the Worth's I now have boast 260+ cuts in games and BP. I saw a review on UTube with Dave from seniorbatreviews.com which claims the XXX that he tested has over 600 cuts. He and his partner swing much harder than I do.

My experience is obviously limited but I have NEVER heard of a U2 lasting that long with someone who can hit it hard enough to go 340. Consider yourself fortunate and lucky if it goes 250. If the XXX's perform like they have been AND last 500+ cuts I am switching to Worth. Just my two cents.

Im going to hit the 28 Combat in BP until it breaks ( This one was given to me by a friend who just up and quit one day. It was still in the wrapper ) I'll let you know when that occurs.
Jan. 12, 2012
crusher
Men's 70
388 posts
gucci904, thanks for the response.
C
Jan. 12, 2012
JamesLG
298 posts

Late last year I took some swings with my buddies fully broke in 30 oz end load and the bat had a great feel when you hit the sweet spot. The balls that were hit descent went over the 300' fence. My bat of choice is the ballanced U2 also but the Combat did perform pretty good. I am average size at 5'9" and 180.

Thanks:

James
Jan. 12, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
369 posts
MM which bat will last the longest in your opionion, the Centenarian or the new MM with gear technology?
Jan. 12, 2012
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
418 posts
Crusher,

I bought a Centenarian 27 Balanced in March. We hit just about every day the weather permits (and you know we've had few rainouts around here). I hit about 60 balls a day. It finally gave up the ghost in December. I work a couple of other bats in occasionally, but at least 75% of those swings were on the Centenarian. I'd guess 1500-2000.

Now you're a bigger, stronger guy than me, but I think you'll still like the durability.

I bought another one, a 27 FL. I believe it has a little more pop than the balanced version. I think it is pretty comparable my U2.
Jan. 15, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
Just a small update to the endurance of the Combat Centenarian EL 28

Weather here in Jax allowed us to hit twice this week. Thursday and Sunday. Temps hovered in the low to mid 60's

Using the Combat exclusively on both days I added 185 cuts. This bat STILL has NO rattle inside and NO obvious signs of impending breakage.

The small sweet spot seems to have gotten a little larger but it could simply be " one of those days " when one simply hits the ball better.

There was still no appreciable increase in average distance of well hit balls which stayed in the 330-350 feet range.

I did NOT hit any other bats for comparison because the temps were low enough to make me nervous with those.

The Combat now has 676 cuts.....
Jan. 18, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
FINAL UPDATE!!!!

I hit with the Combat last night. Temps were around 68-71

The bat was very very HOT last night for whatever reason. ( Probably because it was near its lifespan ) I asked a friend to swing it after he had used his Ultra SE for twenty cuts. His shots were going just as far with the Combat. I MUST admit, most of the balls we hit tonight were averaging much farther than they had ever before with this bat.

I carefully counted every swing and 104 cuts into the night and just having a real blast swinging this bat...she gave up the ghost! It wasn't a crack that started small and grew but one enormous gash that went 3/4 of the way around the sweet spot of the barrel!!!

SO there you have it. My experience with the Combat Centenarian EL 28. After 780 cuts it broke in a big way. She had serious POP there over the final 70 or so swings. I am very impressed with its durability but not so much with its pop early on.
Jan. 18, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
i have 2 of the centenarian's and will not use another.i tried the reebok(which had good pop)but it broke before 400 swings,and it took 150 of them to get it feeling right,so basically only had 200 swings for good game use.........
Jan. 18, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
Agreed Bob, Im really curious now to find out how durable the Worth XXX is. Im currently swinging a 27.5 and a 28.5 but since I was trying to get an idea of the limits of the Combat I haven't been using them much. Early on Ive been VERY happy with the distance and pop of the 27.5.
Jan. 18, 2012
5ToolsinOhio
Men's 50
160 posts
Worth xxx should be real durable..had one tested last Sept with the ASA bat tester at my son's world tournament and it almost passed.
Jan. 19, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
That's interesting 5tools. Mine certainly could pass for ASA bats for the first 50 swings but then, almost like magic, they wake right up ! Literally going from a dull "thop" and poor distance to a distinct "CRACK" and very good distance in the next 30 swings.

I have 2 27.5's and one 28.5 and they all came alive the same way.

The Mikens of course were hot right out of the wrappers
Jan. 19, 2012
5ToolsinOhio
Men's 50
160 posts
Yes i do like the bat, i don't mind putting some cuts on a model before the CRACK sound. Mikens are like the lottery, you have to be lucky to get one that last.
Jan. 19, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
the worth xxx to me is a crap shoot just like the mikens.i have seen them go in 50 swings and then last 500 swings and every thing in between.yes it can be a hot bat,but i want to be able to trust my bat to last at least 500+ swings and miken,worth,and reebok doesn't give it to me,combat does and they have just as much pop in my mind or close enough to not matter....
Jan. 19, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
Are you talking the 2010 model XXX or the 2011 mad dog ? I KNOW that the 2010 had issues, supposedly caused by an over seas factory. But Ive not heard of the same issues with the 2012 which is why I bought them. Also convincing were the reviews online which overwhelmingly agree that durability is MUCH improved over the previous edition. The older model was green I believe and the newer is orange.
Jan. 19, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
the first model and also the launches,i don't know a whole lot about the newer one(orange) ,just that you dirty ol men buy it b/c of the naked girl silhouette on it...LOL......
Jan. 19, 2012
gucci904
Men's 50
21 posts
HAHAHAHAHAHA...I really thought it wasn't THAT obvious !!!!
Feb. 18, 2012
Captain Marauder
Men's 65
67 posts
Maddog I also have switched from the Ultra 2 to the Combat Centenarians. After breaking a number of Ultras I bought a MM yellow and used that for a couple of years [not as much pop] as the Miken but a durable bat. After I broke my last Ultra in Huntsman I bought the new grey Centenarian and my friend Rob bought a new grey Ultra. He broke his Ultra at Phoenix [not a happy camper] I told him to buy the Combat but he went with the Ultra instead I also used my Centenarian at the Vegas Worlds in Nov.
Feb. 18, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
capt m,but i think you meant the new black centenarian....mmmmm..LOL....ya George i have tried the others,but the best for overall is the combat to me.....they have a new combat ,now that is sold in canada,it is like the red combat(10" barrel).it is white and made for senior ball.look for it up there......
Feb. 18, 2012
Canada24
5 posts
I swung a 10in barrell 26oz at TOC. I've never swung a bat like, it's the white one. Ultra can't compare.
March 8, 2012
Tri18
605 posts
The combat line has shown to be one of the most durable hi performance senior bats out there. I have them so email or call me if you need help with one. Alan 561-718-7504 tricoach18@att.net
March 8, 2012
neck10
491 posts
patty mac didnt see ya at the TOC talked to bobby & gary neither one knew what you were up to see ya in vegas for sure!!!!!!!!!!!
March 8, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2629 posts
Neck, Patty's post was from a year ago.
March 8, 2012
Tri18
605 posts
We finished our testing a few weeks ago and the Centurian was one of the top bats in durability. My advice is to....wait on this bat. It's like a good wine that gets better with age. Don't judge it too soon because it only gets better after a lot of bats fail. I have them if you need one. Email or call me for best pricing. Tricoach18@att.net 561-718-7504 Alan
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