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Discussion: So there's no penalty for that..........

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March 20, 2011
southernson
259 posts
So there's no penalty for that..........
Interested in your perspective, and of course the correct ruling. Here's the situation:

Runner on second, batter at the plate flies out to RC, runner tags and advances to third safely. No problem there....but then...

There was no coach in the box, so the batter who flied out, yells to the umpire, pinch runner here, number 25. There is a batter in the box, and so there is a pitch, it is called a ball.

Now the home team, says the previous batter, who posed as a pinch runner and was on the bag when a pitch was thrown, should not be there. The umps agree, and say the runner must leave the field. That's it.....

What? Wait a second, the batter who made the last our, fakes out the umps like he's now a pinch runner, a live pitch is thrown, and that's it?

The team at bat suffers nothing for the sham their player attempted, an illegal runner where there was none, and nothing happens?

What's your call....???



March 20, 2011
VINNY LV
Men's 50
178 posts
NO PENALTY. UMPIRE GOT DUPED AND MADE TO LOOK LOOK AN ASS.. iF BATTER WOULD'VE HIT THE BALL THEN YOU WOULD'VE HAD INTERFERENCE CALL POSSIBLY..
March 20, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
?????? what are you saying,the batter just step on the base or what.he can cr if he is out for anyone on base.
March 20, 2011
Dbax
Men's 60
1269 posts
I agree with mad dog. How the heck Vinny LV understood this question is beyond me.
March 21, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1975 posts
Sounds like the runner stepped on first to pretend he was safe. What person would do that? Why? I'm sure there isn't a rule to cover it, because you can't write a rule to cover every instance of pure stupidity.
March 21, 2011
southernson
259 posts
Actually, he tried to just become an illegal runner so as to score another run for his team.
March 21, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
so your saying he flew out and then tried to get on first as a runner,by faking to be a CR for no one.
webbie it could be taken as unsportsmanlike conduct,and if i'm the ump,he'll get tossed.
March 21, 2011
MaverickAH
59 posts
There is no standard penalty for a case like this.

At the very least, the runner should have been removed from the basepath & returned to the dugout. At the most, the umpire could have removed him from the game as well for unsportsmanlike conduct.
March 21, 2011
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
Were the ump and batter good buddies? Have a beer together at the end of the day? Then the ump stares at the supposed "courtesy runner", the runner laughs and starts to walk off the base, the ump fake growls and orders him off the field, and both dugouts have a laugh, while the ump has a quiet smile.

Ump and player don't know each other? It's a poor joke, possibly with intent to deceive, so the ump tosses the "courtesy runner" out of the game for unsportsmanlike conduct and the player's position is out every time it comes around. Got to establish umpire authority.

What if the batter in the box hits the first pitch and the "courtesy runner" takes off for second? Now we have a joke gone sour and there are plenty of penalties to go around, perhaps involving the manager as well.
March 22, 2011
Joncon
289 posts
Sounds like a senior moment.



No harm, no foul.


Everybody laughing at him is punishment enough.
March 22, 2011
southernson
259 posts
Guys, I've touched base with 3 different umpires, hey, turns out in their opinion there is nothing specific that covers an illegal attempt to become a baserunner. They remove him, that's it. Even if he is on the base at the time of not only a pitch, but even a batted ball.

I suppose that follows the "if you aren't cheating you aren't trying" philosophy.

Only if the umpire decides it was a puposeful, deceptive, and ingredious attempt; and then the player can be removed for unsportsmanlike conduct....

So pick your spot, apparently there's a
new way to score an extra run.
March 23, 2011
Joncon
289 posts
I don't know why you are worried so much about this or why you think it was some underhanded,evil plan to cheat.

It was more than likely just a senior moment.

Half the guys I play with now can't remember what they had for lunch or how many outs there are in the inning.




No matter what happened, if he did score, the run would not have counted if someone was paying attention and keeping a book.



I remember staying on 2B one time after I had been forced out (years ago, before I was old).

The ump didn't notice, nor did anyone on either team. I didn't realize it until I "scored" and, later, talked to the scorekeeper when the number of outs came into question.

.
March 23, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
joncon,that is no senior moment,he had just flied out,how the hell can that be a senior moment.he was deliberately trying to cheat to score a run for his team.to me it is unsportsmanlike conduct and he should be tossed from the game.

senior moments,are forgetting how many outs there is or when you bat in the order,this was a very deliberate action on his part to pull something over on someone.
March 24, 2011
southernson
259 posts
Thanks mad dog, you got it exactly right.

This topic is closed....
March 24, 2011
Joncon
289 posts
This topic is closed.... heh heh. Wanna bet?

I've done stuff WAY more stupid than that. I suspect that many of us have.

If he was trying to cheat, he's not very good at it.

I would have to be there to gauge the reaction from the offending team to know for sure.

All I'm saying is...I've seen and done similar things. Schit happens.
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