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Discussion: SSUSA unfair!!

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March 24, 2011
OTE24
Men's 65
123 posts
SSUSA unfair!!
I managed a 60 Major team last year in Southern California called Double Edge. We won the 60 major championship in Phoenix in October 2010. We were re-rated to M+ which was appropiate and expected. However, I had one player who requested to be re-rated to a Major level which would allow him to drop to a AAA team. He sent SSUSA a certified letter with the fact that he was not an impact player(backed up by managers he had played for and against). When he joined my team I told him up front he would bat at the bottom and be the first to sit. He played hard all year long and did his best for us,but he is at best a good AAA player. The letter he received from SSUSA was a denial of his re-rating and a attack on my entire team. Well, Terry and George maybe you should get you facts straight.
(1) The team broke up because their manager moved 350 miles away and no one else wanted to do that thankless job.It wasn't a sinister plan to circumvent your power. At the end of the Worlds, I had no less than 6 players who were hurt and might not have come back. But , I guess I was supposed to make the commute back to California to keep you two happy. Are you going to pay for the rooms and gas?
(2) Nobody else on that team asked to be re-rated. One guy out of 15. Did you ever call his manager,email? NO
We contacted you several times with no response,but you guys have no problem calling me to ask if I'll enter into one of your tourneys.
You screwed this guy, and most of the SoCal players know him and his ability.
I have a copy of your response to him and will be showing it to anyone I think will have an impact on your little, classless organization.
(3) They're are NO 60 Major teams in SoCal for this guy to join and the lone + team would never pick this player up.
Thanks for the Death Sentence to a player who just wants to play. Not at 55 or 55s but with his own age group.
You handled this terribly,thanks for nothing.
John Sadler
former manager Double Edge 60s
former player Over the Edge 55s(24)
March 24, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
446 posts
John, Send me his information. If nothing else I might be able to find a place for him at our events. No one wants to see a player loose out especially at 60 or above. God only knows how many swings we have left in us. We are not getting any younger and this (Sr. Softball) is supposed to be FUN as well as completive.
wwm1@adelphia.net
March 24, 2011
LP
297 posts
OTE24 a player rated major can drop down one level to AAA he does not have to get rerated to do so. any didision can played one division down. so hes not being pentilized.
March 24, 2011
OTE24
Men's 65
123 posts
LP,He's rated as a Major+,can't drop down to AAA. He can go to Major(there are none in So Cal,to 55 AAA and above or stay M+(he's not a + player). Not a lot of options. Plus the letter from Terry was an insult to anyone with any brains. Totally classless. Thanks for the response.
P.S. Terry stated that not only could he not go down this year,but next year as well. I guess the moral is don't win.
it's a death sentence for this type of player.
March 24, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
This is not good for any one player.
Hurts the whole "system".
Branding a team is one thing but a lone player, not good at all.
Hopefully socalssa will have a remedy.
March 24, 2011
Ho
233 posts
Sometimes organizations, not just SSUSA, get so big they tend to forget that they are there "for the indivdual: and the individual is "not there for them".
March 24, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Up to a point, but as long as you show up, you have to abide by their rules.
That is the bottom line.
Unfortunately
March 24, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
OTE24, Unfortunately this does not surprise me one bit. Not having a place for a player or team to play doesn't seem to register with them. This once again is another example of too many divisions and too many age groups.

Major-plus is a death sentence as you described both for players AND teams because they insist on having two divisions (Major-plus and Major) when there is only enough players and teams of one. The teams and players that get branded at Major-plus have nowhere to play, get frustrated with 2 team tournaments and disband into a couple of teams. Maybe they want that, more teams, more $$$.

If you want emails answered, write Dave and/or Fran.

March 26, 2011
OTE24
Men's 65
123 posts
Jawood,
Thanks. It continues. There's 60 AAA team dropped down from Major this year who tried to pick up a guy who played 60AAA last year,but he played Majors 2 YEARS AGO could not join them or they would be moved back to 60Majors. This was not a team that dominated 60 majors and should have been re-rated AAA. Terry doesn't have clue when it comes to rating teams or players.
John Sadler
March 26, 2011
Capt Kirk
410 posts
Can a 65+ Major Plus Player, play for a 60+ AAA team?
March 27, 2011
OTE24
Men's 65
123 posts
Capt. Kirk,
No. You can drop to a 60 major team. But,then that team has to live with the SSUSA threat of being moved up just for picking you up. Nothing about how that team does on the field. Teams are being threatened with a higher rating just for who they pick up(within the rules),not based on how they do on the field. This whole problem with my player could have been solved with a three minute phone call asking me what did this guy hit(avg.,640,errors counted as hits),how many HR(out of the park,none),games(he played in 42 out of 60)etc.,etc. For this he gets the TWO YEAR death sentence as a M+ player. Teams and players shouldn't be rated higher based on two mens opinions,but should play their way to the higher rating. My guy followed SSUSA guidelines to be re-rated and all he got was a nasty letter from SSUSA. I would be happy to foward the letter to anyone. It's a piece of work.
John Sadler
March 27, 2011
Capt Kirk
410 posts
OTE24: Age is not factor if you are a 65+ player playing on a 65+ major + team and you want to play down on a 60+ AAA team? The bottom line if you are playing on a major+ team, you can only drop down and play on a major team, irregardless of age, correct?
March 28, 2011
OTE24
Men's 65
123 posts
That's the bottom line,unless that team wants to move up to Majors. This rule , the California rule need to be looked at and changed. Too many guys are sitting because of these rules. Unfair to the individual players,benefits whom?
John Sadler
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