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Discussion: New "Spirit" solid core bat

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April 6, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
429 posts
New "Spirit" solid core bat
A thought came to me today while thinking of the new solid core construction "Spirit" bat. I think it was mentioned that these new bats will be tamper proof. To the extent that it will be (as we know it right now) impossible to tamper with the bat. Remember you have to think new technology. So that being said it wasn't too long ago that there was a discussion on municipalities banning the use of carbon fiber bats because they were too hard to police. So what if you went to your parks director or city manager and told him of a tamper proof bat coming on the market. I wonder if or how hard it would be to get approval of a carbon core bat. You certainly would have a better performing bat than the old aluminum technology that is the only thing you can use now. I'm curious about feedback of guys that play in leagues in those Cities that have banned carbon fiber bats.
April 6, 2011
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
Marv, I'm intrigued by these new carbon core bats, particularly if they will be more durable than current composites. But of the cities where I have spoken to rec department employees and other cities that I have heard of that ban composites, I have never heard the reason was that they were too easily tampered with.

The most common reason seems that the older parks, and some of the newer parks, cannot contain the composite blasts. Windshields, pedestrians, adjoining playgrounds and children—all are at risk from the power blasts, not to mention the cost of balls lost over the fence. Other cities that ban the composite seem to be focussed on safety concerns as relates to pitchers and infielders.

Never heard that it had anything to do with tampering, although that could be yet another reason. Since this new model is supposedly "as hot" as current bats if "not hotter", I suspect that not only will it also be banned (if true), but it might be specifically banned as the original Miken was, even in areas where other composites are allowed (such as Big League Dreams parks).
April 7, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
429 posts
Omar: You bring up a good point. One I'm sure adds to the overall discourse. In any discussion I have had on this subject safety was always the issue because of shaving. But this is an interesting element to ponder. It seems to me that the old alloys bats hat just as much pop. I remember playing third 15 years ago on my church team and being hit by a lumber jack in the shin. I still have a scar from that one. In those days DeMarini was the bat of choice. Didn't carbon fiber take hold because they wouldn't bend and distort like the alloy bats? And even if the Cities went back to alloy bats wouldn't the bat have the same ASA rating as the CF bats? In other words using a legal CF and a Alloy bat a guy could hit the ball almost the same distance with either? I know on my rec team some guys still use Alloy. There are two Orange Crush (one is mine) bats and one Worth.
April 7, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
well marv another shot at promoting your bat that you are connected with.why can't you just use 1 thread and leave it at that,just saying.......
April 7, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
429 posts
Seriously?? With all the other VERY obvious bat promotions on this message board I think this is a legitimate question to ask. Having a new and completely different bat design would more than qualify as a subject by its self. I remember a while back Oxnard was one of those communities that banned CF bats. As the thread says I'm curious what other Cities followed suit and why. Seeing the number of views it would seem to me that I'm not alone.
April 7, 2011
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
Marv, never heard an argument that a double wall hits as far as a hot composite. On the last three teams I played with, no one used other than a composite (mostly Mikens, some Combats). I only know a couple of guys who use a double wall and they are both line drive hitters and don't want the composite to carry the ball as far as the outfielder. Also never heard of an alloy bat distorting, although I suppose it is possible, but I doubt that the number of distortions come anywhere close to the broken bat frequency reported on this message board.
April 7, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
429 posts
Omar: We must have had different experiences. I have guys on my team that can hit dingers (315' in Temecula) with my 26 oz Crush. There are a few alloy DeMarini's in the league that go yard also. That DeMarini we had as a team bat 15 years ago had dents all over it before it cracked. It took only 3 years to kill it. Remember I play with 20 years olds and some 30s and a couple of 40s. We are in the second most competitive night in the city. It would be nice if some younger guys would add some input here. BTW we play with a 375-44 ball.
April 7, 2011
DCPete
232 posts
The "alloy" (metal) bats dented & flattened easily especially in colder weather. The umps used to check all the bats before games & would throw out any of those that had dents or flat spots, so yes most composites were more durable, at least until the "No Warranty" Senior bats came out.
Hard to compare distance/pop because with the metal bats we were using 47 & 48 cor balls with 525+ compression but Marv is right about 1 thing; there have always been batted-ball injuries even with the old single-walls and those happened when we were younger & quicker.
April 7, 2011
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
DCPete, you're correct about injuries. I've been pitching since wooden bat days and I have had my share of injuries in the past. However, we are playing today with a hotter bat/ball combo than ever in the past. This is evident by new park construction of deeper outfields with fences as much as 50 feet farther; moving pitcher's rubber back from 37 feet (where I started) to 50 feet (or 55!); required pitcher protection; deadening the ball; and a decline in senior softball participation because the conditions favor offense too much (in my opinion).

In light of the hotter conditions, it doesn't make much sense to allow them with older guys whose reflexes are inevitably slowing down. I am getting plunked much more often than in the past, and I'm considered a good defensive pitcher.
April 8, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
yes marv you did pose a question with a plug for the bat also,as with reeboks reps constantly plugging their bat(not so much at this time tho),it gets a bit much to see the constant ads.thats all i'm saying.


DC,OMAR- yes we had injuries back then,but mostly from bad field conditions(lights,bad grooming,background,etc) not from missles hit so hard we had no time to react.
April 8, 2011
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
mad dog, how right you are. I pitched at a new field where the summer setting sun came down right behind home plate and there was only a low 4 foot wall and a chain link fence to block it. Took 10 years for the tree screen planted behind it to be effective. Dangerous as all get out and no one knew or thought of a screen. Don't know how I kept all my teeth, except I was younger and the conditions were not as hot (this was the wooden/single wall aluminum era).
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