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May 24, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
well lets go to the ball again
i just finished off playing our spring league with the kids.guess what had to use the 52 ball,ASA one.guess what,i did not hear one complaint from the youngens.even myself at 61 was able to hit balls off the fence(290') and over it.our bat list was basically any bat but senior bats,as long as it had a stamp we could use it,i used a combat lady virus that still had stamps on it.this bat in my opinion is right there with usssa bats maybe a touch higher,but not as good as senior bats.so now tell me again why we shouldn't do like all other assoc's do and go to this ball.
May 25, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts



HELMETS, BALLS AND BATS............YOUR SOMETHING ELSE !
May 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Why just limit it to the balls? Why not go to the bats everyone else is using too?

Sounds like you got enough pop out of that combination to make most old guys happy.
May 25, 2011
tg69
307 posts
Maddog,Have you had your rabies and distemper shots this year?
May 25, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
going after the bats is a good idea except for the money invested by seniors in their bats.it would mean they have to spend a lot more money to replace them,and to me that wouldn't happen as most would say the hell with it,given the economy we are in now.most seniors i know have a couple of senior bats b/c of their fragility.who would buy their bats so they could replace them.to me using the 52 ball gives them a viable option.

as for the others what is wrong,are you scared that your ability's would give you away,i have no problem with with using the 52 ball,why should you.
May 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I keep reading how fragile the senior bats are and how often guys are replacing them. So it sounds like the 'investment' has a pretty short-term yield anyway.

Announce the change a year ahead so people have time to adjust, but safety should not be compromised for money. What kind of priorities are those?
May 25, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
the 52 ball will not break as many bats(so seniors saving money there) and will be safer than present bat/ball combo,and like i said,the seniors who hit hrs will still hit them,just no mistake ones being hit.
May 25, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
620 posts
Safety!!!! Did I see some you on the thread talking about helmets for softball? Now your starting a thread on the hottest bats available. Unbelievable! Mad Dog, what position do you play? Do you really feel pitchers should have to wear face protection and if your going to try and really push hard for new rules or even be a leader in this game. Use aluminum and lead by example. Is it that important for some of you to hit the ball out of the park more now than when you were 15 or more years younger? I could go on, but I'm sure it's all falling on def ears.
May 25, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
IT IS..........
May 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Pricer, was that a rhetorical question?
May 25, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
620 posts
Well Gary, what do you think?
#6 "HELMETS, BALLS AND BATS............YOUR SOMETHING ELSE " it is!!!!
May 25, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Our game is predicated on having fun, first
and foremost and not some campaign to dumb down our equipment for no good reason.
What's wrong with having fun?
Check us out in NorCal if you think I'm joking.
Baden Fire balls and senior bats and
I couldn't even get my team in the last tournament because there wasn't enough room.
We're fundamentally
amused at the thought of using a "safer,
kinder and gentler ball" in local leagues.
Even the young guys in the 40 and over think a dumbed down ball is a joke.
May 25, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Pricer,
I am not sure I understand your comment !
May 25, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
happy to see things havent changed in my absence.
May 25, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
pricer not sure what side you are on here.but hey everyone is allowed to voice their opinion and yours is welcome.we on this board,went round and round a few months back on this ball subject,and i just waited till my league was over with to report what i saw in my league. what the players in the league thought.like i said no complaints,guys basically like the ball overall,and the ball still went out of the park using non-senior bats.i'm guessing they would still go out if we were using our senior bats,that way no one would have to shell out more money to replace them.also with this ball you would have less bat breakage as we are seeing now with the bat/ball combo we use,so we would be saving money there with not having to replace bats.

there are some people who feel that if the ball can't kill someone they can't have fun,go figure.

pricer as for positions,with the flat bellys i pitch,with the seniors i'm bounced around the inf and outfield,with pitching on occasion.
May 25, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Same old story; same old song.
It's about fun and the right to have fun.
What and when did the fun of hitting 47 by 525 hot blue dot balls become compromised.
It wasn't long ago and there's a dedicated very small group of self interested folks
who still want to see our game fundamentally changed for their self interest and gain.

Hitting a ball hard, fast and well is key
to the fun of playing softball/baseball.
Using, finding a lively ball/bat
has been and still is key to playing softball or baseball at most any level.

The bat/ball combo must be lively enough
to ensure the fun of playing.
The 52 x 275 ball doesn't cut it.
Never did or will.

That's why senior ball has not and will never go to a lesser ball than then 44x375 ball and senior level bats.

There's danger in our sport.
It's part of the adrenaline that produces
excitement and a high degree of performance
and protection.
It could easily be argued that if one didn't fear being hit by a ball then he would get hit by it more often producing more injuries.

And denial is not a river in Africa, guys.
Never was and never will be.

Same old, sad, slow story;
same old song.



May 26, 2011
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Total BS, einstein ... The fun is playing the game ... It has little to do with your hot bat/ball combinations, which are only for feel-good moments.
May 26, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sounds like the singles hitters who try to change the approach of guys who like to drive the ball.
Comes out of the same frustration of not being big enough, or tough enough or good enough or quick enough in the minds of some players.
Save it for the PTA, insurance lobby and merchandisers
and spare us your denial and obvious discomfort
with the game the most of us like to play.
44x375 balls in Reno with 1.21 bats
last I checked and Baden Fire balls with 1.21 bats
in NorCal or we wouldn't play.
May 26, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
#19 there are some who can't remember the cork center balls from the days back when they were used,oh and we used wood bats back then,guess the game was not fun enough.i don't know about you but i played then and had a ton of fun,as with this league i just finished playing in and have signed up for the next session,we had fun....

to me the ones who protest the most are maybe the ones who can't hit the ball and need the extra push of a hot combo,to make them feel good.
May 26, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Joe, in all honesty the real home run hitters who can drive the ball don't need the special bats. They never have.

It is the new breed of "Miken hitters" who rely much more heavily on them.
May 26, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
But the balls were lively then Gary
which made the bat ball combo meaningfully effective.
A movement was created not long ago to bring down the balls we were using, the good Blue Dots,
out of self interest.
Give us back the hot blue dots
and we can to back to single wall bats.
It's the combo that's key and essential for our experience.
It's not fun playing with a sock.
It's not the same game.
It's not fun or right to have to alter
your swing to hit it well.
Hitting the center of the ball is natural, intuitive
and the best way to get on base.
We've made all these arguments before.

Hey G, how you doin.
You drinking enough UP-Dog?
What's Up-dog you might ask?
Getting ready for Reno.
9 very good major 50 teams in the event.
Should be a blast.
May 26, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
620 posts
Honestly, what has composite bats brought to the table to make the game better other than pumping up batting averages, homeruns and ego's for the players who really for the most part need them just to compete. I have never ran into a player I competed with during the softball heydays that feel that these things are good for the game. Also, 80% of them will not play because of the risk factor. Just not as much fun watching players hit the ball out with composites that would not come within 20"-30" of a 300" fence using Aluminum or wood. Almost everyone of them will tell you "that when players have to wear protective equipment other than a cup" it's no longer softball!
May 26, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
pricer you are so right,with the old stuff i was a 10-15%,that means i could hit a ball out every 1-1.5 times every 10 at bats,with this new combo i'm a 50-50 chance of hitting it out,it shouldn't be like that.lets see a more rounded game,let the defense play instead of just being places to stand till they come in to hit.if this combo is so great,why does ssusa make you sign a waiver to pitch or use safety equipment... mmmm maybe a safety issue....why are all the other assoc going/gone to the 52 ball...mmmm safety issues,see a common thread here.....
May 26, 2011
Ho
229 posts
What if they (senior softball) determined:

1. Only Major and Makjor Plus teams could use composite bats and:
2. AAA's would use double walls and
3. AA's would use single walls.

Do you think that might encourage more teams to want to be classified a Major team and less teams wanting to be AA?

Ho
May 26, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
HO,not sure if it would help,there will be still the teams that would rather play AAA sandbagging,using metal, than move up to play major,to use the composite bats.also your are putting the hottest combo in the hands that need it the least,just saying.i say leave the bats alone as they are here to stay and go to the 52 ball.the ball puts defense back into the game as it should be.
May 26, 2011
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Gary19, Pricer, mad dog ... You are all so right ... It's all about the game.
May 26, 2011
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Ho, you make a good point, most of the guys who complain about the bats and balls & who want as they say “to bring defense back to the game” aren’t that talented to begin with! So they refer back to the OLD DAYS of playing, very seldom do you hear a Major or Major + player complaining about what’s safe and what’s not safe! Those players just put their game face on and play the game! GREAT FUN INCLUDED, GREAT DEFENSE INCLUDED!!!!Not bitching about who hits HRs, what balls were used (unless it’s a sock ball), then the bitching will start! No bitching about getting hurt. I always hear the lower lever players complaining about this guy Hits too hard” somebody going to get hurt” WE better tell someone to use lower level balls"! So your point makes so much more cents! It will never stop the complainer’s from complaining, but it may tone it down a bit!
May 26, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
really rightj1,is that what you think,that us that complain can't play,maybe you should recheck your facts,if you have any.i can still hit the ball as hard as anyone at 61,and do worry about hitting someone and doing damage to them,unlike you all that don't care,for you its oh well to bad so sad if your put in icu or worse.
you call standing around watching missiles hit thru the infield playing defense,i don't.it used to be you could go get balls(up to 5 steps) and make great defensive plays,now if you get 2 steps your very lucky.pitchers barely have enough time to get a glove up to defend themselves let alone make a real play on the ball.and please don't let there be a bad situation where as he can't really see the ball b/c of background,sun,etc....
so please enlighten me how much fun all this is............
May 26, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Ron.
You hit the nail on the head about those
who can't play the game and adjust to it being faster and want to slow it down so they feel better about themselves.
The better the athelete/competitor
the less he (we) complain(s)
about unfair advantage that equipment has wrought.

"It's the poor carpenter who blames his tools."

You guys go play any brand of softball you want
and leave the most of us alone at SSUSA, NCSSA,
SPA, Huntsman and LVSSA
or give us back our 47 x 525 blue dots and let manufacturers compete again to make the best ball for us to hit.

Bunch of whining crap from guys
who can't cut it anymore and don't want to admit it and/or guys who are still trying to gain
the favor of those who invested heavily
in wanting to change OUR game.

May 26, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
There are many adjustments that can be made
to keep our game fundamentally fun
without killing it by dumbing down the bat/ball combo.
Gary.
Once they "F" with the bat/ball combo
the rest of the monkey business follows.
The bat/ball combo MUST be lively.
Period.
May 27, 2011
tinman
Men's 50
75 posts
If any major changes are made to the bat or ball it would kill SSUSA tourneys.Most of the players know it and officials know it.There could be a spike in local senior leagues for the love of the game but you wont get my thousands of dollars to travel.We have choices and evaluate the return on investment.The economy has been in the tank for years and the end is not in sight.
May 27, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
620 posts
Joe, are you kidding me? Do you proof read what you type before you post? Your comment on this a crock of sh*t. How long did you play A or above ball? What position in the outfield did you play or did you catch?
I was a top level pitcher for 20 years and I had been hit more in 1 year than I was in the previous 19 by 160 pound 5'7 players. I never got drilled by any of the big boys (Elliotts, Macenko & etc) back in the day when the middle was more fair game. You sound like your the type of player that needs the extra push the composites give you instead of relying on skill to push the ball in the gaps or infield. When you post here you preach to us like we know nothing or we're afraid of the likes of people like you standing at the plate. Actualy you and people like you are why the game has gone into the sh*tter. Sorry about the rant, but Joe just pissed me off.
May 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
rightrj, my comments have little if anything to do with safety, but much more to do with the proliferation of whacky rules that seem to be reactions to the special bats.

Run limits, time limits, PPRs, pitchers looking like hockey goalies, infields looking like miniature golf holes all relate back to the increased offense produced by the special bats.
May 27, 2011
perly
88 posts
Maybe it's time for Senior Softball USA, SPA, et al. to send out a poll to all registered players and ask them what ball and bat combo they prefer. I know the SPA already does somethng like this but lets get all senior players/organizations involved. Let the majority be heard and go with the popular vote for a couple years and then send out a poll again. My bet is the good bat/ball combo Einstein talks about would be the overwhelming choice.
May 27, 2011
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Mad Dog, I didn’t say you can’t play…I said your level of talent is not on the Major or Major + level, therefore, you complain about the equipment ALL THE TIME! The facts come from watching you on the field. You couldn’t hit ball hard 5 years ago and I’m sure @ 61 your skills have gone down even more. As Father time does this to all of us. The levels of accidents in the upper divisions aren’t as high as the lower division because of the level of talent! Please understand that there is a different between (injuries & getting hurt) Upper level players mostly get injuries, lower level players get HURT. So I really understand your worries! I worry about you guys too when playing against lower level players, as a matter of fact I tend to tone it down a bit out of concern for their safety. Upper level players react faster, they think the game better, they don’t whine as much! All you have to do watch a Major + game and then go watch an AAA game…that’s all the proof you need! Don’t make me out to be the bad guy for your talent level…you need to speak to your creator!
Gary 19, I hear you LOUD & clear…but technology will not allow us to return to the OLD Days, not that I would want too!
May 27, 2011
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Pricer... It sure didn't take you long to figure out einstein!
May 27, 2011
spoonplugger
Men's 60
58 posts
Joe- Don,t get caught up with PRICER -
He might be Gary C - ???

May 27, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
620 posts
There you go spoonboy. Your gonna try and make this me vs him thing. Are or were you ever a good teamate? Anyone, and I mean anyone that feels we have come leaps and bounds and the game has improved because of the improvements of todays bats, are more individuals playing a team sport. Instead of wanting to be a part of a great group of players trying to accomplish or reach the same goals. Also, I'm not Gary C. You sound a bit intimidated by him by making that statement though.
May 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
again rightrj1,get your facts,i have played at the major/major+ levels,so again i say do your home work before ya run off with the mouth.you say no whining in upper levels,any ball with in 5' of a pitcher gets the call"guess middle is open" tell me that's not whining.only reason you all are in favor of these bats so you can brag ,hey i hit 400' hr,why 99% of the fences are at 300',tell me what is so great about that,they both count the same,oh i bet it is so you can impress all the senior ladies at the park,as we know the chicks dig the long ball.

but hey your the best there is,just like your pal joey boy,some things never change,way to much ego here.

oh any day you want to stand in and pitch to me,i'll be more than happy to show you how hard i can hit.
May 27, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
The Usual suspects and un-spects.
Gutless at two levels.
One doesn't want to play with lively equipment
and wants us to change to suit him
and the other prefers to play us by never revealing himself or changing identities.
Same old stories; same old songs.

The general community needs to know that
these arguments and arguers are
generally groundless,
self centered and often lack integrity.
That's not you, necessarily, Robert.
You've always stood up and in for your "opinions".
But talk is cheap.

Can't wait for Reno.
Leaving in a couple of hours.

May 27, 2011
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Einstein.. It is quite apparent that you need today's technology.
May 27, 2011
Jose #12
Men's 60
86 posts
Here we go again. I agree with Perly, there seems to be a lot of people on this board looking for a change in either the ball, bat or both. I personally like it the way it is, but why not poll the senior softball populus.

SPA did this a couple of years ago and the majority liked it the way it is. Maybe it would be different now but you need to get to a broader range than the one's who are on this board regularly.

I play on two teams (a 60 and 65) and of all the players, there is maybe one other who comes on this board.

So once and for all, send out a poll to all SSUSA participants.
May 27, 2011
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Mad Dog, you played 1 year of Major Ball 45 years ago, I think your team name was STONEAGE and you were a sub then, played catcher mostly because of those bad knees. You couldn’t hit your way out of a WET paper bag then…So any time you want try to hit one past me, bring it on! I’ll throw you cookies and you still wouldn’t hit it by me!… You want to know how I know all of this? Just ask both Bobbys, or Buzz or Phil ! They all played on that team! I believe that team won Reno 5 years ago. You get ur ring? For your information, I don’t hit Home Runs, I throw people out trying to go from 1st to 3rd or 2nd to home, that’s where my ego lies!!!!! But chicks do dig the long Ball….lol
May 27, 2011
perly
88 posts
To SSUSA, SPA and all parties involved with the Summit why can't you poll the masses and give the majority what they want. Having a hand full of players proclain they speak for everybody is ridiculous. The banter back and forth is amusing and good points have been made but until the organizing parties address the bat/ball controversy all we are going to have are individual players giving their opinions and nothing is going to change. To the organizations please take charge, exercise your leadership, be proactive and most importantly give the majority what they want. Comprise one poll with as many items as you feel need to be addressed and send it out. I think you'll find the game as it is today is the preferred game.

Steve Perlman
Columbus Ga. 55's
May 27, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
THEY JUST DID ADDRESS IT..............
May 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
right you are so full of it,get over yourself.....oh i was playing with stoneage when it was started,so 1 year.....ok you know everything.oh 5 years ago there was a stoneage team,might need to check facts again,and per chance there was one,i was already in tx playing M+ ball in the 55's.sub mmm check your facts again,you just throw crap out there just to see if it will stick,ask donny,gary(doc),tom,how much of a sub i was.using buzz as a reference really drops any creditability you had in the crapper.
perly why don't we ask just the pitchers and the ones who play the field,of course all the batters are gonna want to hit the hottest combo out there,we all do.thats the prol with pols,there are more hitters than pitchers.
perly so far you are the only to post for the combo that has come on here and just gave an opinion about it,thank you,like you said this is a discussion forum and thats it....
May 27, 2011
perly
88 posts
#6, you say they did address it. Can you provide some details? Who addressed it? When did this happen? What was the forum? Was it addressed by a committee? I don't recall seeing anything about it on this site but I could have missed it. And finally, what were the findings? Evidently it was to keep the balls/bats we're using now.
May 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Another way to look at this, since I don't think it is as simple as (a) hot bat/ball combo or (b) "dumbed down" combo.

Let's look at (a) hot combo with whacky/ridiculous rules to accomodate it or (b) reduced combo with rules the way they were meant to be.
May 27, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
perly,
Its listed on this message board under Why Part 2 from ssusa staff.........
May 27, 2011
perly
88 posts
#6, I don't see anthing in "Why Part 2" that addresses the bat/ball discussion. If you're talking about attending the SSUSA Annual Convention why would I do that? I'm giving the SSUSA my proposal right here on their very own website.
May 27, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
perly,
My bad, I thought you were asking about safety equiptment..helmets and so on.
May 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
jose 12 i never received a questionaire.. so yeah it should sent to the masses.prol is that the hitters will vote hot and they out number the pitchers 9-1......
May 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
so right,who you playing with in reno........
May 27, 2011
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Hey mad dog,
I can't get over myself...I like ME too MUCH for that, but thanks for asking! Playing with MTC this weekend..You coming out?
I'll buy you a beer!!! or as #6 would say a Cheeseburger...lol
May 27, 2011
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
Some months ago, I had a "Sputnik Moment" and proposed an outreach program for the old, fat, and lazy catchers in senior softball. It was the "Senior Softball World Outreach Program for Underprivileged and forgotten Catchers."
It now appears that I must broaden my horizons and enlarge the program's scope in order to reach all the unfortunate, less than capable, merely human players who do not quite measure up.
Please, if you have feelings of inadequacy, if at times you are overwhelmed with the desire to whine or complain, if the joy of hitting the long ball has lost its appeal, if you are succumbing to an innate desire to consider the "little people", DO NOT HESITATE ANY LONGER! Call my office immediately. Otherwise, let's just play ball!
May 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
oh by the way rightj,bob L has said to my face that i have some of the hardest balls he has ever seen,bob w has called me sunday man for the good i did for the team on elim day.so maybe you should,oh well sorry to disappoint you.

don't play till the 3rd in the 60's brackets.does don engle(sp) still run MTC
May 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
oops guess i should proof read better,bob L has said i have HIT some hardest balls he had seen...not that mine are hard,sorry bob.....
May 27, 2011
garyheifner
349 posts
Maybe its time for SSWC to offer a competitive division under the current rules and standards and a recreational division that uses sinlge wall alums and the ASA 40 core ball. Infielders can relax and outfielders can play at about 180 feet.

I pitched for a very good U-Trip C/B team in the late 70s and through the 80s. It was aluminum bats and hot balls. I had many seam marks on my body at the end of the season. It was like being a hockey goalie with some blasts past before you could react. It was an era that if you didn't show you were willing to field the position, everyone hit the middle. That was danger. Pitching now at 56 feet, backing up another 10 or so feet while the ball is in the air and protective gear, its not that big a deal. I see the problem is more with the pitchers who launch the ball and stand with their hands at their side and never assume a defensive stance for the middle hit.
May 28, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
620 posts
Gary, I think you could not be any more wrong here. As soon as you mentioned protective equipment you lost me. Why in the hell as this become something that should be expected to wear for a pitcher? As far as the 70's & 80's, I pitched during that era and like I said earlier I got drilled maybe 4 or 5 times in my career in playing in some Major/AA/A/B tourneys. This is not something anyone playing softball at an age enforced level should have to concern themselves with. Anyone who feels the absolute need to use these composites have some sort of problems of being inadequate. With all of the dialog here, there has still not been one post indicating the pluses these bats have brought to the table, except mines bigger than yours menality. Just if you can't play with the big boys go home. JMO
May 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
pricer you are so right,mine is bigger than yours...LOL.......

gary the 40 ball is a joke,in the winter(anything under65 degrees) it is as hard as a rock,get up over 75 degrees your are hitting a rolled up sock,so that ball is not the answer.the 52 ball on the other hand doesn't change its performance over temp changes like all other balls do.i also have been pitching on and off for 30 years and have been hit maybe 5 times in my whole career,and 90% of the time,it really was my fault.yes we do have a lot of pitchers who stand there and admire their pitch,but just as many who do the right things and still don't have a chance with the hot combo we now use.
May 28, 2011
Cuervo13
9 posts
In our city league we started using the 52 300 and I started pitching again. ball does not sound like a rocket anymore,now granted I am wearing a mask, shin guards and cup. hahahahahah

Ball is still flying out of the park not as regular as before thats for sure.
May 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
cuervo,exactly what i'm saying.we started using it in league(flat belly) this year and i also pitch.you do not hear that shotgun going off like we used to with the harder balls.i don't wear all the protection you do,tho i have it.
there were plenty of balls hit out(by real hr hitters)and i heard no one whine about having to use this ball.
May 28, 2011
Omar Khayyam
986 posts
I've heard the argument that if the pitcher is getting drilled, he is not properly taking a defensive posture. Of course that is true for some. But others are still getting hit and/or not being able to field the hot bat/ball combo. For those non-pitchers who "advise" pitchers how to defend, I'd like to see how many of them play 3rd or 1st about 15-20 feet IN FRONT OF the bag!

A pitcher has to launch the ball, quickly track its arc, and then change his posture to defend. A corner infielder is set once the ball is released, ready to react in any direction.

A pitcher has to back up on every pitch if he wants more time to react. Very exhausting over a couple of games. The corner infielder finds the distance where he is comfortable and waits.

The pitcher starts from 50 feet away. The corner infielder could also start from 50 feet away! Faster time on the throw to first or from first to any other base. Closer to the plate cuts off the size of the hole. Then why don't all these macho infielders decide to crowd the plate?! Most of them I see on my team and other major and AAA teams we play are anywhere from 65 to 80 feet from the plate.

To paraphrase what many posters have said over the years on this message board: "If you can't field from 50 feet away, then take up another sport like checkers."
May 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
oh omar you bad boy,you take the fun out of the game....LOL......bases are at 65' so to me and what your saying the corner inf'ers should be playing at least even with the bag,yeah right,these guys who disparage the pitcher about fielding his spot will never play that close,their reason,oh the ball is hit to hard to field that close,duh what about the poor pitcher who is closer.oh well omar have a nice rest of the weekend....
May 28, 2011
Omar Khayyam
986 posts
thanks, mad dog. I thought I might look for you in Reno to say hello, but I am playing in geezer-land in the middle of the week. Have a great tournament.
May 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
i'm getting there thur is your still playing.gonna look up the 65 M+ teams as i know one from tx that is playing,where are you playing and what days.
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