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Discussion: People keep buying very popular bats that break way too soon

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June 13, 2011
Men's 60
446 posts
People keep buying very popular bats that break way too soon
What is it they say is the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? :O)

The new solid core Veteran will be out in July. Remember it has a one year warranty for any senior. Need more info just email me
June 14, 2011
Men's 65
404 posts
The "new" solid core. Improved over the last models I'd hope. What changes were made? I'm on my 3rd season with the same Miken UII, can I expect that longivity out of the Veteran?
June 14, 2011
41 posts
We did not change the old Veteran…..we just left it behind……
We did however bid China a fond farewell, started building our own factory in South Carolina to start fresh with new concept.
Putting together a factory is no easy task as many of you know. If all goes well we should be ready by July 4th which is our launch date.
The CORE concept has much to offer in a senior bat. Besides the performance and durability features we offer a bat that cannot be shaved, rolled or altered in any way.
We understand some will find this a negative feature, however many will find it a refreshing change.
‘God Bless American’ and ‘Made in America’ will proudly be displayed on the barrel.
We are working as fast as we can to meet 7/4/2011 timeline. Will keep you posted as we get closer.

Thank you,

June 14, 2011
Men's 55
71 posts
Gates 24: I am not sure you need my opinion but I would like to offer it.

I am not sure how you can make a bat "roll" proof as it seems that you could put any bat into a bat roller, and I am not sure how you can make a bat that cannot be shaved because there has to be an endcap in the current way bats are manufactured and someone always seems to figure out how to get them off and back on or how to make bootleg end caps.

But if you can figure these things out, I would urge you to patent your roll proof/shave proof bat design, get your bat approved by USSSA, ASA, SPA, SSUSA and all other associations and spend whatever you need to get all associations to approve only shave proof and roll proof (much harder to do, I suspect) bats and you will have several years head start on the current bat manufacturers. The current bat manufacturers could also figure out how to do these things but have chosen not to. Your bat could be the catalyst for some much needed change relative to the shaved bat problem.

I know the Easton Reveal was supposed to have been tamper proof and never really caught on and I have not swung it to know whether it was a quality of bat issue or if the shaved bat problem is so bad, that people won't buy a bat that cannot be altered, but whatever Easton did wrong in producing or marketing the Reveal, you learn from that and try to overcome them. The shaved bat problem is real and it is finding its way into senior ball even with senior bats if you can believe it.

For what it is worth, I think Made in America should be displayed on your bat, but not so much as to be a primary message on your bat. It is an important feature, but really not a primary feature, for most. God Bless American, may be not so important. It is a great message but while it may mean something to some, it probably won't make someone buy or not buy it. Your company and your call, I know.

I really hope you are able to produce a great bat that can compete with the current non altered bats relative to "hotness", surpass them in durability, and that is also shave proof and roll proof. Our game needs a bat like this to be the only type of approved all associations!
June 14, 2011
41 posts
Thank you for the kind words. Over the past seven months I have been working with two associations on the bat shaving/rolling issue. Last week I had the opportunity to present the findings at a committee meeting. The shaving issue is far more widespread than many know or may admit to. One can only take a guess in senior softball to the percentage of shaved bats on the field. In the course of our study (along with a PhD from a leading University) we found senior bats to be a large customer base for the shaving business.
It will be interesting to see how players react to a bat that cannot be altered. Performance at the 1.21 is not a concern for us. The ‘pop’ will be there as will the added life span. Again the question will be how players react to the total concept of the bat and only time on the field will tell.
All of the core bats will be approved for play by each related association.
June 14, 2011
Men's 60
446 posts
Piano Player: You have to think completely outside the box. There is no end cap so no tampering. The bat is solid core (new concept - This by the way increases the sweet spot) so no shaving. There is a picture of one of the prototypes here:
June 14, 2011
Super V 10
Men's 50
70 posts
If it's a solid core bat, how will you get the trampoline effect for the pop?

June 14, 2011
Men's 60
446 posts
Super V 10: This is most likely one of those secret sauce things. I've been told even if you had a PHD it would take you a while to figure it out. Just know this... it works. It will blow you away!

30 years ago I pioneered a product on the west coast called MSD (Multi Spark Ignition) with my automotive rep agency. I was asked by a customer once "how does it spark 30 times on one cycle". The comment from the factory then was "just know this... it does. That's all you need to know". Today its the biggest and most successful ignition company in the performance industry.
June 14, 2011
3 posts
Mr Gates I for one am excited to receive your new bat as promised. July 4th should be a great day for a little BP to start off the fireworks.

Dave Adams
June 14, 2011
41 posts
July 4th is our goal, the right product is the true target. Will keep you posted on how we are doing. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me...

Bill Gateley
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