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Discussion: A Fist Full of Dollars For a Few Dollars More

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June 30, 2011
hombre
Men's 60
220 posts
A Fist Full of Dollars For a Few Dollars More
In order to squeeze every cent of of their tournaments, one of the softball organizations has changed their fore mat from 3 pool games and double elimination to 2 pool games, double elimination with a guarantee of five games. Sounds harmless enough, doesn't it? In a tournament last week, in a six team bracket, you had to play ten games to come out of the loser's bracket and win. Does this organization care anything at all about the players? You have sixty and seventy year old men playing ten games in extremely hot temperatures. If someone has a stroke or heart attack in the 8th, 9th, or tenth game, will it be worth that few extra dollars?

I consider myself to be in above average condition for my age group. I'm an outfielder and half way through the eighth game my legs wouldn't respond when called. I know that there are other players who would be in a similar situation.

Our schedule is set for this season, but if the disregard for the player's welfare and enjoyment continues, we will look for alternative tournaments next season. I hope there is a positive response, because up until this year, this organization's tournaments were our favorites.

While they are at it, they might want to revisit their equalizer rule. It's anything but an equalizer. The way it's written, a 55 major + could play a 50 AAA team and the AAA team would have to give the M+ team five runs.


July 1, 2011
oneofeleven18
Men's 50
56 posts
Hombree: I agree with you 100%. That is a ridiculus bracket. Talked to another player who played there last week and he had the same opinion.
July 1, 2011
bulldawglost
Men's 60
27 posts
Hombree: Check in the tourney section above. They have the Lawrenceville bracket drawn. We play 4 games Saturday and a single elimination on Sunday.
July 2, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
i have had asked about the 5 games before to an assoc director,i was questioning the reason for 3 seeding games,and his answer was,"the players want it,they don't want to travel to play only 3-4 games(2 seeding with double elim),they want at least 5 games".would you be willing to travel(driving) 3-8 hrs and just play a double elim tourney,no seeding games or such.what about 3 GG where if you lose your first 2 games you still get to play in the tourney.
what is a good amount of games for us to play,my team in reno played 10 games in 3 days then the following weekend we played 7 in dallas in 2 days.
July 2, 2011
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
mad dog, 5 games minimum works for me in a 2 day tournament; for a 3 day, I'd want a minimum of 6 games (which I often don't get at the Huntsman, for example—I've been there with some weak teams! LOL).
July 2, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
omar yeah have done that there at huntsman(only once tho,thank goodness),but still a great time to be had there.for a 2-day if it is only a round robin,yes 5 games are good,but if you go and have a DE after a seeding round of 3 games,it is hard to get the DE part done on the second day,unless you play 4 games the first day.to me a 1 game seeding round(warm-up or whatever you want to call it)and then go into DE is good.

to me i guess it depends on how many teams in a div for the number of games to be played......
July 2, 2011
hitman
Men's 65
290 posts
In the Aiken SC tourney there were 11 teams and we played 2 games back to back on Fiday and Saturday (didn't start till noon) for a total of less than 6 hours playing in two days then on Sunday if you were in the losers bracket you would have to play 4 games in 6 hours.
It's all about keeping teams in town. There were 5 fields available so figure that out!!!!!!!

The Hitman
July 2, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
hitman i hear ya,there always seems to be scheduling prols a lot with these tourneys.if you only had 11 teams with 5 fields avail,and it took 3 days to do,that is total BS on the TD's part.should of been able to do it 2 days max,or 1 day if ya all didn't mind playing a few games.
July 6, 2011
hitman
Men's 65
290 posts
Hombre,

What do you think of the format for the tourney this weekend in Lawerenceville???????

The Hitman
July 6, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
what is the format? I see there is only one 50 team.
July 6, 2011
Mr. Manassas
223 posts
Bruce are you guys in Dalton?
July 6, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
Yes, we'll be there.
July 6, 2011
oneofeleven18
Men's 50
56 posts
For the 60s and 65s (which there is only one 65 team) a combined round robin where the '5' teams play each other once and then a single elimination championship bracket on Sunday.
July 6, 2011
hombre
Men's 60
220 posts
Hitman, I think that the format if just fine. It's fair and you get to play enough without the risk of total exhaustion. The #1 seed has to be beaten twice. The rest is single elimination.

In my opinion this is a pretty good format if you have the right number of teams in each bracket. If you had too few the teams would only get a couple of games. If you had a large number of teams you're back to playing too many games. I know that most of us have played tournaments where we played 10 or more games, but as we get older more than about eight games ceases to be fun and becomes dangerous in the summer heat. Again, this is just my opinion.

I don't remember hearing many complaints about the three pool games, double elimination format. The only reason I can think of that SPA got away from it is $$$.

See you guys this weekend. I hope we can field a team. We have some injuries and two of our players have had parents pass away this week. It' hasn't been a good week
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