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Discussion: All Tournament Selection

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Dec. 2, 2005
Airbosn
Men's 65
319 posts
All Tournament Selection
A question for the best thinkers in Senior Softball. What standard do you use to select tournament players? I usually use batting average and position (playing short, more value that playing catcher for instance). I subtract for errors ( I do consider position) and finally the x-factor which is attitude. How do you help the team when not in the lineup.
Dec. 2, 2005
T.Burk
48 posts
It sounds like you have a good plan. If I have time, I rate all my players 1-15. It depends on how many are at a given tournament. I rank batting average, runs scored, and runs batted in. I then average those numbers and get another number. This gives me an offensive index. I do the same for defense. I rate each player at the tournament and end up with adefensive index. After that I take the two numbers and average them together to get an over all index. It isn't as complicated as it seems, especially if you have your stats figured. I use this for the big tournaments (Worlds, Nationals, or to determine an MVP). At smaller tournaments, I use my best judgement, and in many cases I attempt to spread it around.
Dec. 2, 2005
floo56
Men's 50
37 posts
For offense use the following:
Ave./Hits/RBI/Runs scored

For defense:\Errors/Assist outs
I also believe attitude is important, hope this helps! Aloha, Fabe
Dec. 2, 2005
SoCal'er
68 posts
You guys are fast. I can barely get the total on hits and AB's of the last game played added to my totals already figured and some one is tapping me on the shoulder asking for all-tourney selections. Lots of time when your coming thru the losers bracket and playing back to back you don't have those luxuries to figure all the stats. I try b.a. first w/big defensive plays and big hits. Mainly because I can remeber those. Sometimes as you know, it can be a no win situation.
Dec. 2, 2005
Ohio wheels
3 posts
Try this guys. For all tourney teams, first calculate the batting average. Then adjust for defense in the following way: a hit 'stolen' by great defense is just like another hit at the plate. Example: If a shortstop has 3 hits in 5 plate appearances, plus he makes a truly great play on a grounder in the hole at short to steal a hit, then adjust his average to 4 for 5. But if that same shortstop makes an error on a routine ball, subtract 1 hit. He is now back to 3 for 5.
The theory is this: either you get a hit or you steal one from the opposition. Both count. Defense then gets its due. But you have to make ALL the routine plays or else the errors count against you.
As a defensive guy, I get tired of .600 hitters who are lousy fielders getting tabbed all tournament when ther make errors or let balls drop in front of them.
Dec. 3, 2005
stever
Men's 65
61 posts
I think there is an easier, and more sensible, way. We just take a vote of all the players regarding who they think was most valuable in the tournament. We do it by secret ballot so nobody feels pressured, but I think the players on any team know who was the most valuable during any specific tournament and you don't need to go into any "scientific" method to discover this.
Dec. 3, 2005
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
MVPís? Interesting topic and often the reason for dissension on a team. I think one needs to consider a few things when choosing MVPís:

1. Batting & defensive Stats: When using Stats. The value of a player to his team during any particular tournament should be made before the last or final game since by the time the last game is played you usually donít have time to calculate averages and so. Stats. never lie but donít tell the entire story either. You will remember the last couple of games if the player goes O-fer and still have time to pull out the eraser.

2. Ball smarts. Ball smart players are a pleasure to watch and will give your team that edge.

3. Team Attitude. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort. A good positive attitude is huge and if coming from a good ball player can often make the difference between winning and loosing.

4. Team Leader. The player who inspires other players to play with class, play harder by stretching the envelope and to play with confidence through positive reinforcement is always an MVP to his team. To truly know the game is valuable, but to inspire others to want to work harder and learn more is true leadership and makes a player valuable to himself, his team and his coaches.

5. Sportsmanship:

I think the word positive came up a few times.

I usually try & have these things figured out before the end of a tournament but when all else fails the first guy to buy me a Molson goes a long way toward consideration and I agree with SoCaler, that game winning plays are easy to remember and are often the basis for a quick decision.



Dec. 3, 2005
seedog
Men's 55
28 posts
how many times have u guys picked an extra hitter as M.V.P. or all tournament, considering he bats .800 or better?
Dec. 5, 2005
yo-dt
Men's 70
24 posts
One criterion not mentioned is the one our players thnk is special. I let each of the players select one player for the All Tournament Selection. The way I do it is a give them a piece of paper and have them write their name first then write their player choice. Selection by fellow players is a high honor! on our team.
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