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Discussion: CAL STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS

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Aug. 1, 2011
gott2play
Men's 55
152 posts
CAL STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS
Any time-frame as to when the participants list will be published? Not the schedule, just a participants list. The entry deadline was 7/26 (last Tuesday). Hell, the Men's 65 through 80 start in a week.
Aug. 2, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
731 posts
Hey Tony,

There is plenty of time left. LOL! You probably know the list is out now. A pretty poor turnout for this one. I think the discussions being made on this site, will have SSUSA re-reading them again. In the division that I am playing this year, we opted to not go, since too many players were injured and/or on vacation, but may have gone, if we knew there would be a separation between levels of play in the bracket play. In the recent Western Nationals, Major Plus teams were sending Major teams to the losers bracket, instead of keeping the levels separate. The turnout for this tournament, ONE 55 MAJOR TEAM AND NO 55 MAJOR PLUS TEAM. There are only 6 55 teams total, and rest are all AAA. I believe a point has been made here. JMHO

Andy Smith
Aug. 2, 2011
hitt2
354 posts
I guess the word has been put out about the combining of divisions. I see in the 55 there are 5 AAA teams and one major team. This isn't a healthy trend. I've been on this board less and less due to what the senior division has become. I was talking with another ball player and stated that it was more fun to teach the kids the fundamentals of the baseball than to waste money to play anymore. It seem every tourney something happens leaving a bad taste in players desire to play. The majors were combined in the Western Regionalís in the AAA Championship game there was a 1 1/2 break between games, which in all the years I've played softball ball, had never happened. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm playing with a great Grp of guys out of the bay area I would most likely quit playing tourney ball & just play league. If the major & major + division are to remain competitive It would be in the best interest of the SS to forgo the boundary requirements so that teams could be formed to maintain that level of play. Bumping teams up or down isn't working presently. If a team gets bump up then coaches/manager tear team apart so they can play at a lower level. I would be wise to set a time frame for remaining at a level versus won / loss record in a certain number of tourneys. I will see how it goes in the Cal cup then make my choice for the future. We play this game because we enjoy it. But the joy/fun is being removed by certain coaches/manger and SS. jmo
Sorry for the long winded post.
Aug. 2, 2011
Tim Millette
522 posts
I am sure ssusa is trying to figure out bracketing based on limited amount of teams.

I can only speak for myself... Our team had a vote to see if our guys wanted to go to Fresno for SSUSA Cal Cup or Reno for SPA.

We were only going to go to one.

I voted for SPA for these reasons.

1) the merging of major and major plus at ssusa western nationals was wrong.

2) SSUSA was not advertising the Cal Cup as a split divisions event so I didn't want to take they would merge the plus with major.

3) being a capitalist I believe anytime you can support competition it's going to be a good thing in the long run.... So getting SPA out west will only make every association better.

4) the Reno event will not reguire taking Friday off work.

5) the Reno event guaranteed split brackets

When the votes were in we agreed on Reno.

Aug. 2, 2011
gott2play
Men's 55
152 posts
I'm a little disappointed with the turnout from the So Cal teams. The whole point of moving the California State Championships (according to SSUSA) was to better accommodate and attract more So Cal teams. I guess the heat in the Central Valley is keeping teams away. With the smaller turnout, it looks as though they'll combine the 50M and 50M+ into the 50 Platinum Division like they did for the Western Natl's. My only issue with this is possibly getting sent to the loser's bracket, or worse...getting sent home by a M+ team Oh well, it is what it is, for now.

Tony Baltazar
Barcelona Bandits 50 Major (#22)
So Cal 55's (# 35)
Aug. 2, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Tony, I have asked this question many times of SSUSA, why isnt the Cal Cup brought to So Cal? Fresno is quite frankly a pit. I have yet to hear anything good about the fields, or the surroundings, other then by one of our players who graduated from Fresno State.
IF SSUSA truily wants to attract more So Cal teams they should sponsor an event in So Cal proper.
Aug. 2, 2011
Omar Khayyam
1004 posts
E4/E6, it's too bad that SoCal teams are not going to Fresno. Moving the Cal Cup 150 miles closer to SoCal is one of the reasons our team is not going this year. Where would you suggest holding the Cal Cup to draw the most SoCal teams (and a decent amount of NorCal teams)?
Aug. 2, 2011
THECAT
59 posts
Ok, So Cal locations to look at.
Hemet, Diamond Valley Sports Complex, with 8 fields that are to die for. Very well kept. Yes, a small town but thats ok too. Motel rates reasonable with a lot of eateries.
Temecula a 20 minute drive to another Super Complex, Birdsall sports park with 4 diamonds. The motel rates run higher here.
You always have Lancaster, call the Super Eight, were a lot of ASA ball is played, but the fields don't compare to the ones in Hemet and Temecula. The weather would be a little cooler too.
Just a thought for the So Cal locations with not just good but great ball parks to play on.
Now, try to get No Cal to travel to play is another story.
Aug. 2, 2011
gott2play
Men's 55
152 posts
CAT, Don't forget Santee, Escondido, and Poway. All great complexes...and better yet, a short drive to San Diego. Expanding on the lack of participation here, Roll With 2 (50 Major) appears to have dropped out of this tourney. So we're left with three 50 Major teams (2 from So Cal), and two 50 Major Plus teams. In the lower, five 50 AAA teams (1 from So Cal), and one 50 AA team. Pretty pathetic turnout.
Aug. 2, 2011
curveball
Men's 65
409 posts
Cat, those are great locations.
But, because of the size of the State of CA, why not just alternate each year between north and south locations? That would even out the travel for all.
Aug. 2, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Curveball, Omar, that has been my suggestion to Terry, Fran and Dave for the past 4 years, rotating the cup seems much more fair then moving it 150 miles to a desilate place like Fresno.
It would be interesting to see how many Nor Cal teams come south, wouldnt it?
Aug. 2, 2011
Smokey20
Men's 55
102 posts
Damn shame when you have more 40 teams than 50 teams.
Aug. 2, 2011
Redneck Softballer
3 posts
Why dont we have 2 Cal Cups 1 for the Baby's of the North and 1 for the Baby's of the South As one who has played in the most of the ball parks in this state NorCal has some parks that would better serve as Cow Pastures and in The South Good Old Menifee and some of there cow pastures. Fresno is not perfect but the Complex is A+ better that some of the cow pastures I play on. So quit cryin and Play softball or take UP GOLF
Aug. 2, 2011
TOMAR77
Men's 55
203 posts
Could it be that with The recent Western Nationals mid-July and The Cal Cup mid-August, that just maybe teams that would be interested in playing both , felt that the cost of 2 Major Tourney's so close together was prohibitive ? It certainly affected our decision. Now if the Cal Cup were held in the above suggested sites. Particularly , Hemet or Temecula(which are in fact very good Ball Fields)we would have Ponyed up the Fees and played. We are a So. Cal. based team which is reflected in this decision.
Tomar , Mgr. GRD 55
Aug. 2, 2011
Omar Khayyam
1004 posts
CAT, thanks for the review of fields in SoCal. Hemet sounds like a dream with 8 fields! Don't know how many NorCal would attend, but lots of them go as far as Palm Springs for tourneys there. I'd say: SSUSA should give it a try and see. If the number of SoCal teams don't equal the number of NorCal teams when held in Woodland or Manteca or Roseville, then we will have our answer. Maybe California is just too big to have one "Cal Cup".
Aug. 2, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
for those that haven't played in fresno,they have a nice 6 field complex on the south end of town.it was new when i lived there,prolly open around 03/04,now i can't tell ya whether it has been taken care of tho since then as i left in jan 06.we played the 04 cal cup there,and the complex was in good shape.i have played with the kids there also before i left,and once when i came back to visit(07).
Aug. 5, 2011
Cuervo13
9 posts
I remember when Calif had only one state tourney for Mens.

It would rotate from North to South each year and that was in the 90's.

But you also had to play in those state tourneys to validate your world berth then, so we had no choice but to go to So.Cal when they hosted.

SSUSA should rotate each year.
Aug. 10, 2011
hitt2
354 posts
For those that didn't know there is a $5. parking fee for the complex in Fresno. Nickel and dimed to death.
Carpool and save some money.
It isn't a SSUSA issue it a City of Fresno thing. just letting everyone know ahead of time.
Aug. 10, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
dang $5 now,it used to be $2 when they first open it up.i had forgot about the entrance fee,still a nice park,or at least it was......
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