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Discussion: testing of bats

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Aug. 8, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
testing of bats
what do you think about testing bats like usssa does.it would be a way to keep real hot bats out of senior ball,usssa does this,why not have our senior assoc's do it.we can keep these bats that test down in the 150-175's out of our game(legal 1.20/1.21 is 200 on the comp tester).
Aug. 8, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
what no idea's or thoughts..........
Aug. 8, 2011
Mario
Men's 50
345 posts
I think it would be great for our game as well.
Aug. 8, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
I would almost bet the house that almost everyone would welcome bet testing until we find out that the 80 plus % of them fail the testing of 98 or 1.21 BPH.
Aug. 8, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
pricer a senior bat will fail with a big guy hitting it in 50-75 swings or so.they start out at the lowest comp level to begin with,around 240-250,most other bats are at the 275 mark approx.we are gonna go to an USSSA senior tourney the end of august(no senior bats allowed) and i'll see if they happen to have a tester there,and see if i can get my senior bats tested just for the heck of it.i have 2 well used usssa bats(both have 1000 swings on them) and hope they still will pass,otherwise i'll need to use ASA bats,for this tourney.
Aug. 8, 2011
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
I think Pricer's got a point. Everyone knows that composite bats get hotter with use. How much hotter is the question. So testing bats before allowing them in a tournament has some merit, although the mechanics of testing all bats, then identifying them as clear, would be very time-consuming. But when player after player finds their unaltered bats are not legal, are they going to be upset with the manufacturer, the standards, or the tournament? It would be rough at first, but could bring some sanity back to senior softball.
Aug. 8, 2011
Mario
Men's 50
345 posts
We just played in a USSSA Senior tourney in Maumee Ohio this past weekend and there was no testing of bats. Rumor was that there were guys using illegal bats. And with some of the HR's that I saw, I would have to agree with them.
Aug. 8, 2011
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
Illegal batóconfiscated at tournament. User of illegal batóbanned for rest of tournament. Batter who knew he had an illegal bat (altered it himself or deliberately bought an altered bat)óbanned for 10 years minimum, and manager also banned for a year for allowing a cheater. Manager can appeal; player can't as he was determined already to be deliberately swinging an illegal bat. JMO
Aug. 8, 2011
titanhd
Men's 50
314 posts

Mario I would agree with your statement. I would also add that some of the longest homeruns hit were hit by your team. That orange Mayhem .You know the one. Bat was simply unreal.Just a rumor though.... lol!
Aug. 8, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
omar,kind of disagree,i think it should be a 5 year ban for the batter,and coach,the owner should get 10 years,this for an altered bat i found.now for out of spec bats(ones that comp test to hot),they should be held till after the tourney has ended and given back to the owners.yes this would be time consuming,but to me worth it.

titan,mario,do you know what balls were being used,were they the classic M,or the classic +,also what brand did they use.

oh titan,you have seen mario,do ya think he needs a dirty bat,i don't think so...LOL... he is as big as a house...... just saying,oh and his son is just as big,that must of been one heck of a food bill at one time....LOL....
Aug. 9, 2011
turn2
484 posts
mad dog,
We were down in Florida 2 years ago watching th usssa conference and dad had his 2 senioryellow combats tested just to see what they were. They had about 170-200 swings on them and they both tested in the 175 range. If it was below 200 they held them to the end of the tourney. I seen some of there u trip bats that tested in the 150 range.
Aug. 9, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
turn2 yep and 200 is the limit,it supposedly is the 1.2 bpf mark.i would venture to say the bats that tested 150 of the usssa type bats might of had something done to them,unless guys like fulk,helmer were swinging them,or anyone like them,they some big boys.us normal guys can't get a bat down that far.......
Aug. 9, 2011
stick8
1238 posts
I would have no issue with testing bats at the senior level. You'd have to have different specs then USSSA does.
Aug. 9, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
not really as the specs for senior bats are the same as they were from the beginning of the bpf test(1.20/1.21),its just that USSSA,ASA and the other assoc have tighten up the specs even more,the comp test still does it for the 1.20/1.21 bpf factors.so the test actually lets them slide a bit. our senior bats start at a higher bpf than the other assoc and get hotter quicker.so really they wouldn't have to change anything.
Aug. 9, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
What do you think the percentages would be if the senior bats were tested. More or less than 50%?
Aug. 9, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
oh most likely if they were a used bat at least 50% wouldn't pass in my opinion.hit it with a roller and most likely wouldn't pass from the start( or come real close to not passing) with out hitting it.
Aug. 9, 2011
stick8
1238 posts
I'd be curious to learn what a Miken U2 would test at after 200 swings as compared to a Worth Mayhem for the same amount of swings. Does anyone think they'd be at or near the same?
Aug. 9, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
when all the hoopla came out when the first testing was done,everyone said a u-2 would never pass(the old one with the asa stamp on),we had a guy go and get one tested and it pass with flying colors,but it was with no hits on it,or very few.there were a couple of new synergy's that didn't pass.also it would depend on who swung these bats.the open guys can get a usssa bat down below the 200 passing mark with 50-75 swings most of the times,prolly way less with a senior bat.
Aug. 9, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
The question should be, if they have become illegal bats because of usage. When do we find out? After it's confiscated for hurting someone. I won't even get into the waiver and if and who it protects if the batt is found illegal.
Aug. 9, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
pricer that is the reason ASA went to an accelerated break in (ABI)process to have bats completely broke in before testing, before they allowed mfg'ers to put their stamp on them,the process had to equal at least 500+ swings if i remember right.then they would test batted ball speed(BBS) and comp of the bat.if it went higher than 98 mph than ASA said no to the bat.

for the utrip bats,if someone gets hurt and the bat doesn't test good for comp,they send it out to be looked at,(usually the mfg'er)if it comes back as unaltered bat(just normal usage) than everything is ok,if not then all hell breaks loose.

using a bat that has not been touch in anyway but bp,there should be no prol,its the cheaters that they want to go after the most.

with us, we wouldn't know till someone did get hurt before it would be tested and even then it prolly wouldn't be tested,being that the equipment is so hot to begin with.

i think testing of the senior bats would be a good idea,and would go a step to further making our game a bit safer,just like all the other assoc are doing.just don't understand why the oldest,slowest,eyesight fading,reflexes slowing group needs the hottest combo out there
Aug. 9, 2011
Mario
Men's 50
345 posts
They used the Trump classic M. It was just an ok ball.
Aug. 9, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sad dog.
Who's sending you stuff or using your handle
to put on all this info?
All of a sudden, you've got all the "stats"
and research of a committee.
I'm not trying to insinuate you aren't capable
of thinking independently or doing your own research but
it's hard when you've convinced us by so many of your posts that you are generally thoughtless,
witless and without character.
And Robert, here's the clincher.
WHO CARES?
Not us, the players who play and pay for everything.
We want to have fun in tournaments not playing with socks/sponges for balls.
Aug. 9, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Repeat: The question should be, if they have become illegal bats because of usage. When do we find out? After it's confiscated for hurting someone. I won't even get into the waiver and if and who it protects if the bat is found illegal.
Aug. 10, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
well cheater joey boy,it is people like myself you should be afraid of,b/c we will be watching you to try and use your cheater bat,as that seems to be the only way you can play.if maybe you could read you would find all the info out yourself,but sadly you can't or are to lazy to check for yourself.your nothing but a make believe bully who when someone stands up to him goes crying to momma,so go cry to momma and get it out of your system.


thanks mario,i got that from the other post.

like i said pricer we don't unless they do get tested(which is prolly never),but hey i said that before,just joey boy doesn't care if anyone is killed or permanently injured with this hot combo,and even then he is not gonna be in favor of testing,go figure.
Aug. 10, 2011
garyheifner
334 posts
In the spirit of Usssa and bat testing. They have a big tourney in Joliet, Illinois each year and the big guys come in Young USSSA super teams and they play the local best and each other. I watched the bat test area for a while. A team came in and took the wrapper off 3 bats all USSSA aproved, brand new, and they FAILED. Interesting. It looked like about a 1/3 to 1/2 of the bats tested failed.
Aug. 10, 2011
olie04
Men's 50
45 posts
My opinion is bat testing costs money and takes time. Could this be why it has not been implemented? I would welcome a testing process before every game, or to have the bats supplied by the association being represented. If I sell a hot product that makes the ball fly farther than others, then I may corner the market. If I sell an inferior product, no one will want to by it. Maybe the bat companies have this in mind when manufactiring their products? (just being sarcastic). Kim R. Oliverson (Olie) Team Demolition, Ca
Aug. 11, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Olie04, sarcastic or not, you more right than wrong. The manufactures do push the limits on the 1.20 BPF. Because the associations have allowed them to. So when/if the manufactures ever change the product to a lesser bat, the customers will all be pissed off at them. The real culprits & villains are the associations who stood by and allowed it to happen. I agree with some of our SB players that it feels great to hit a ball and not feel anything from the bat and watch it travel unthinkable distances. It's like a drug at times. If they test them, I would bet there would be some pretty unhappy SB players out here. JMO
Aug. 11, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
Pricer-so, so right-it is almost like a drug and withdrawal, when it comes will be painful. I have one teammate that calls them 'stupid long'.
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You're a baby Sponge Bob
and we'll see each other at the next tournament you show up at
where we're using equipment so dangerous and immoral
you just have to be present and playing to make sure
no one gets hurt.
You phony and sad man.

The whole lot of you to the 10th power.
(Hey OK. Tell them all how much that really is
albeit still a decimal)

Sad Dog, Gary C and Pricer
and an occasional Bob
make up the vanguard of this movement
on the website.
They represent others who are smarter
and more powerful than they I'm sure.

They represent the caliber of thinking
concern, class and decency that are all trying to herd
us into a circle so they can sell us wood for our campfires
and blankets for cold nights.

You judge a movement by it's advocates and acolytes.
Gary C, Sad Dog, Pricer and an occasional Bob.

Lively bats and balls are the only way to play our game.
Aug. 11, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Joey
You were told to play nice or your out of here
calling people names and and saying what you are going to do to them
is not playing nice. Keep it up please.
HAVE A NICE DAY joey
Aug. 11, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
STAFF please enforce the rules you have set forth about posting.this einstein guy feels that the rules are not met for him,what gives.please do you job and get rid of him for constantly breaking the rules.....
Aug. 11, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
ollie,pricer,webbie..the mfg'ers know what is happening,how do you think they got the original ultra to pass the first ASA test, that ASA had to begin with.the test was for the measured the center point of the barrel and not the sweet spot.miken found a way to move the sweet spot off center to get the bat to pass.the mfg'ers could care less also with senior bats on when they break,as they don't warranty them.get a couple of hundred hits and that is it,consumer has to buy a new one.yes they also push the limits on the 1.20/1.21 bpf,what do they care as long as it gets past the test on how hot it gets afterwards,in fact that is what they are planning on,for it to get past the point and get hotter,to keep customers coming back.

i think the senior bats should be tested and tossed when they get to hot,just like the other assoc's do.
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Gary.
Thanks so much for providing so vivid and memorable a distinction between you
and me.
Keep it up.
I never looked so good.
Maddog.
You need to find another group
of over 2000 men and women to disrespect
and abuse like you have with the members
of NCSSA in NorCal.
There's SCSSA and Century in Florida
where they use very good balls and bats
and love the game they play
just like us up here in Northern California.

Aug. 11, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
why is it joey boy you can never stay on topic,you just like to muck up threads till they get closed.then you can go to your fellow podunkers and brag about it.yeah your great........
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
It would take a big man to apologize
for disrespecting over 2000 men and women
of NCSSA, Robert.
What do you say?
Aug. 11, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
All of this is really a waste of time and energy....they are "NOT" going to "CHANGE" the "BALLS" or the "BATS", SO GET OVER IT !


Next topic...............what kind of beer do you drink ?
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Root beer.
Hey Kenny.
I think you're right but arguing the points
is still all right.
It's when it's gets personal that it tends
to go south.
Aug. 11, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
I completely agree....hoe's it going with you ? How you hitting them ?
Aug. 11, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
that was "how's" it going......I never could type !
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
And look at this.
Through all this attention on bats/balls
we've neglected our yearly mention/argument
since I've been on the site
about FREE DEFENSIVE SUBSTITUTION
which I think would:

-give us old guys a break out of the sun
whenever needed
-allow teams to incorporate/roster more players
and get them in the game effortlessly
boosting team moral
-higher level of play on offense and defense
as specialists will play better than regular players, normally speaking
-higher numbers of participants per tournament
-preventing injuries to old guys in the sun
who won't have to play defense
if/when they're not up to it
-increase the over all level of play
creating more interest in both playing
and watching the games

Free defensive subbing looks like platooning
but it is more open and easier than strict
platooning.
Any guy on the roster can go in and play defense
for any guy on the field at any time.
The offensive card/line up stays as it is
governed by present rules and restrictions
100 per cent.

This can be implemented easily
in 5 seconds and would achieve very dramatic
positive results
IMMEDIATELY.

What do you think?
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hitting just OK to good.
Managing more than playing these days.
Still love pitching, Kenny.
Thanks for asking.
What about you?
Aug. 11, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
I like the thought of free defensive substitution............Still playng with Tanel 360.have had a pretty good year as a team, and hiting the ball fine.........
Aug. 11, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Nor Cal Nor Cal your a dot on the map but you act like it's the whole world.Your not even the best area in California.

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