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Aug. 27, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Lansing Tourney
Dave,Nice to see the bracket scores posted for this tourney. I have some friends playing in this one and I am glad to see the scores posted in the 60 division.Good luck to Hawk's Nest, Job Central and Mich. Express and all the other teams competing. Thanks Harry
Aug. 27, 2011
warren60
Men's 60
43 posts
Hi Harry, I told Dave that there were people who liked to check how things are going. We just lost to Hawks nest and now have to win 5 tomorrow. That sure is a lot for our age but you know we will try. Hope all is well with you and look forward to seeing you in Fla in Nov.
Aug. 28, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Bob, I know most of the guys on Hawks Nest and they have a good team. Good luck today. You guys have a great team and should do ok. I will see you in Nov in Naples. Thanks Harry
Aug. 28, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Checked the brackets and all games were posted great job. Power has been out since 215 am just came back on at 230pm. Earthquake and Hurricane, I better be nice to mother nature. Thanks Harry
Aug. 29, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Dave, great time and some great ball played this weekend. Thanks to SSUSA for putting on a great event.
Aug. 29, 2011
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Great weather, good tournament, BUT, two water jugs for 4 diamonds was a bit chincy (No Ice Either) Outfielders had it rough with the 325ft fences and the 2ft tall grass.........man thats a long run when the ball gets thru the infield. I'll chip in for gas for the mower.
Thanks to Corky from Miken for giving me another glove (already broken in)now I have 2 of your hand me downs. Us leftys need to stick together. Sorry we got put out early, I know I promised you some swings with my freak+ players model. Maybe next time.
Aug. 29, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Gary, Who did you play with in Lansing? How have you been? It has been awhile since we shared a bucket. I loved that complex in Ind. Thanks Harry
Aug. 29, 2011
seedog
Men's 55
28 posts
the potterville fields were the worst fields i have ever played on. I am surprised that no one was injured onstu those infields. three rubber pitching mounds that stuck up an inch and a half. two water jugs with warm "fart" water. WTF!!
Aug. 29, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Seedog comon. There is no way these are the worst fields you've ever played on in your life at 55 plus. Potterville is not pristine, but not the worst either. I hope no one was injured this past weekend. East Lansing did a great job of maintaining the grounds.
Aug. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
There are still guys at this age who haven't learned to bring their own water?????
Aug. 30, 2011
neck10
492 posts
Im from michigan the ssusa did the best they could with what they had to work with. thos fields need some tender loving care,fill in the batters box & add water & drag the infields not to big of a job,whoever taks care of the fields need to know when leauge plays & when big tournements are.nothing you can do about the fences it is what it is,I agree they are to big for senior softball 300 6ft high are about as large a field as you should go in senior ball guys just cant cover the extra ground.
Aug. 30, 2011
neck10
492 posts
as for the drinking water they had bottled water at the concession stand tell you wife to spot you an extra buck
Aug. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
That would explain why they weren't providing the water for free.

Not sure I buy the difference between "big tournaments" and 'little' league play. People pay good money for both, and people take both seriously, or should.

Not to mention, these tournaments really aren't all that big.
Aug. 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Gary, what you mean? This tourney was huge! Great time, great teams and great camaraderie amongst the teams. Chicago Prime and the rest of the 50 AAA reminded me of what our game is supposed to be played like.
Aug. 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
pricer don't even bother with him.....i have been to plenty of ssusa,spa tourney's and they always provide water regardless if there is a concession stand or not..........
Aug. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Pricer, I know things are different, but "huge" tournaments were 40-80 team local tournaments I played in the 70s and 80s.

"Huge" was the 225 teams that would enter the Metro Cleveland ASA Class A tournament consistently in the 70s.

And those teams were all in the same bracket, not spread out amongst many like Seniors now.

Who are you to interject sad pup?

Not providing water when there is a concession stand is why you rarely find water fountains in McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Wendy's, Dairy Queen, Arby's, and on and on......
Aug. 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
I was being very sarcastic G. We used to have local tourneys here in Dearborn, MI on almost any given weekend of 80 plus teams. I guess it's just a sign of the times. I still had a blast.
Aug. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Gotcha!

I am sure it is a sign of the times, as the kids don't have tourneys the size that we used to play in anymore either.

Problem is, nowadays you get a lot less for a LOT more money. :(
Aug. 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
BUT THEY ALL WILL GIVE YOU A CUP OF WATER STILL........
Aug. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Apparently not much water in Lansing from what I read above.

Bring your own! Safest way to go.
Aug. 30, 2011
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Birdie: I had my name on 3 rosters but played primarily with Job Central, and traveled to potterville to keep up on my 55 Brickyard Brothers to fill in if needed. Since the Brickyard 50's were at the same complex as me and a little short on Friday I signed in with them just in case someone got hurt..............Knowing a certain fellows reputation for stirring the pot all I'll say about the water is " I usually buy a powerade just to get the bottle and fill it regularly from the water provided" If they have it.
Aug. 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
corky i always bring my own drink,i do a supplement type so i know there will be none to be had.i do sometimes refill with the water that is provided,but mostly go to my truck between games to refill.

understand about the pot stirrer,i guess it would like us telling MLB'ers on what to do,when we have never been in their situation,kind of like him,he doesn't play but can talk down to us about our playing and situations.....
Aug. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Senior tournament brackets are tiny, and old guys should be responsible enough to bring their own water.

What is "pot stirring" about those statements? Seriously pup, come with some concrete statements for a change.
Aug. 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
so your saying the 50 should play the 65,70, yr olds,or even 60's.....i don't have to change the game,it is already good enough the way it is,your the one who wants to change it,and without even playing it.maybe play it with us and we could take you seriously.your like the voter who goes and tells everyone how it should be when you never voted.........you need to participate to have a voice i what happens.....
Aug. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
As I expected, still no response to how I am stirring the pot.

So I have to spend a disproportionate amount of money playing in small brackets against the same teams over and over to know that the brackets are small and old guys should bring their own water? Interesting...............
Aug. 30, 2011
garyheifner
354 posts
We played 65s at the East complex. Infields were tough to play on, lots of bad hops. Sliding on the gravel was instant blood and pain. Outfield grass was really deep and when combined with the 325 fences a lot of really good outfielders ran out of gas. Deep grass holds the morning moisture-dew (short grass allows the sun to dry it out) and in at least the 1st 2 games each morning, the balls were water logged and heavy by the 3rd inning. Then in the afternoons when the new game ball was hit out, water logged balls from the morning games came in. I will say thought the tourney was well run and the umps did good.
Aug. 31, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Gary, I will politely disagree with you on these fields. Infields were not any different than 90 plus % of the fields played on most of my life. The infield when dragged can produce bad hops as soon as players start running around on them. It's not like they were filled with stone or glass. The pea gravel used there are what almost all the parks in the Midwest have used for 15-20 years. Itís durable and drains better than any kind of dirt. Low Maintenance. Balls are made with a cover that don't absorb moisture. They might have been wet in the AM, but were not any heavier wet then dry. JMO
Aug. 31, 2011
stick8
1277 posts
Fish if your referencing the fields at Potterville I agree with you. They aren't the best nor are they the worst. I'd say the Aquatic park complex is a bit better, but then I've only played on those fields two times, compared to all those years playing NSA tournaments at Potterville.
Congrats to you guys on the win! Wish I could have made it up there to ump but business got in the way Saturday morning and by the time I would have made it up there I only would have umped 3 games. So I went to Liberty and did 8 games, starting at 2:00 and didn't get off the field until 2am. Talk about a long day!!
Mac tells me you guys aren't going to go to Phoenix. I'd sure like to see you guys go, you have a great shot to win.
Aug. 31, 2011
17Black
Men's 50
219 posts
OK, this was our first trip to Lansing, and honestly, I "loved" the fields at East Lansing, can't speak for Porterville though. I'll guarantee Porterville had to be better than where our league plays in Ohio as not much could be worse.

The grass was a pinch long but NOT two feet long as another poster stated. (I keep my yard grass that long in late summer to keep it green for goodness sakes) It was fair, I played outfield most of the tournament, had no issues with the grass what-so-ever. Its summer time, there is dew on the ground for early games at any complex, they seemed to dry out pretty good.

Personally, I thought the (325) & tall fences were more than fair for 50AAA (315 gaps, 300 down the lines) We played against at least 5 different teams and there were dingers by both teams in every game, even to the deepest spots.

I'd like to see more games played at bigger complexes like this. Sometimes its hard to keep AAA players in the park on 300 fences, especially when they are short height fences. The longer fences were a good equalizer for Mikens, and most of the homers I saw were hit by the guys who should be hitting long balls anyway.

NO game that I was involved in had a team go over their (3) homers----I saw dozens of line drives hit the fences in center and the gaps which helped situations in the games and kept the defenses active and on their toes.

Infields were in good shape, I played a few games at short and 2nd, and personally didn't have any bad hops.

Dave NICE JOB, and thanks for the updated scores on-line----see you in Vegas in November, I hope!!!!
Sept. 4, 2011
17Black
Men's 50
219 posts
Pricer and Mitterbox24:

Pricer congrats on your win in Lansing---your shortstop turned an unbelievable double play on a bad hop, against a guy who ran the 100 here in Ohio and is still "real fast", that I've never seen hit into a DP.

Our pitcher got hit with a line drive in the seeding games, up the middle friday and had a broken thumb/hand and unfortunately walked several guys in the 1st two innings before replacing himself. That was a huge difference in our game.

Played against both of you in Lansing and/or in Akron earlier this season too.

Good Luck to both of you in the future!!!
Sept. 5, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Thanks; our SS will be inducted into the Michigan USSSA Hall of Fame next spring. This has been long overdue. I've been fortunate to be teammates with him for a good part of my adult life. Would you folks from Ohio be interested in a tourney next season in the Metro Detroit area?
Sept. 5, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
17Black, just wondering. By chance is Bryan Richert the guy you were referring to who ran the 100?
Sept. 5, 2011
17Black
Men's 50
219 posts
Gary19, no, but great memory as Bryan was real, REAL fast. We went to the same high school, (Eastlake North) although he is two years older than I. Personally I don't know him but certainly know of him. Our high school had 2,400++ at the time.

He (Bryan) also played for Four Star Machine in mid/late 80's-----I played on and off with them too in a few tournaments/fall ball and other events into the 90's, but never with him.

Our guy (last weekend) used to run the 100 at Riverside, I'll leave his name off this post for now :)---as he does have a hurt knee, and hopefully he is back to 100% soon.
Sept. 5, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I knew Bryan went to North, was a very good player back in the day, and could fly in high school. Pretty good footbal player as well, if I recall correctly.

I know you guys had a large school then. Did you know any of the Lockers at North?

Sept. 5, 2011
garyheifner
354 posts
I respectfully want to ask what East complex some of you guys played on. Throughout the tourney we had a ton of doubles on ground ball singles through the infield in which the ball hit the DEEP grass and came to a stop. In especially our 2 1st games each day, we switched out the game ball or dried off the ball with a towel every single ball that touched the outfield grass before play resumed. Had several umps note to me as well as some of our players how muchy heavier the older balls felt than the new ones. If the balls do not absorb water as some of you say, why does Miken and other composite bat makers suggest you don't hit balls when wet?? We play about 6-7 tournies a year in the midwest and there were the only 2 crushed granite type infields we played on. I also saw a lot of really great short stops and other infielders pulling their heads up on grounders after taking 2 or 3 off the chest and head. Our infielders are really good and they got real jumpy real quick. Didn't say these were the worst fields of the year, just playing was tough.
Sept. 5, 2011
17Black
Men's 50
219 posts
I'm pretty sure most of us all played on the same fields off Abbot Road (spelling?)by the waterpark??

I played one 8AM game on sunday, yes there was dew then, and yes the ball was wet. At that time of morning your going to have dew almost anywhere.

Those wet balls were also flying over and on the 315 to 325 fences in gaps and center in the morning. Friday and Saturday we had all afternoon and evening games, and no issues with outfield grass, pretty dry and manageable.

A couple hits might have been stretched to doubles in the 8AM game, no question about it, but the outfielders on both teams in that game were jumping on the ball pretty quick.

Played 4 games on Diamond 1 and two games on 2---could be the grass was longer on 3 and 4??? don't know I didn't play on those??

I thought the infields were above average, and compared to where my league plays, they were pretty darn good, and compared to the outfields we play on back home (where we can go trolling between innings) they were more than acceptable.

With the longer fences, it might have saved some outfielders legs, having to come in on ground balls as opposed to if it was real short grass and every ball in the gaps running to the fence?

If I had any complaint, we were still playing around 8:45/9pm on Saturday and the lights were pretty dim, although it could be my eyes :)
Sept. 7, 2011
neck10
492 posts
pricer did you ever live on traverse city
Sept. 7, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Yep, that's me! Who are you?
Sept. 7, 2011
neck10
492 posts
pricer you did the team logo on our jerseys but I think you were going by jeff schleede back then.I didnt know you were playing we were in lansing in the 55 major bobby steward umped our first game the other team was giving him a hard time,I thought if they only knew one guy told me he probly never played the game himself i said at least not at your level sure it went over his head>>>>
Sept. 7, 2011
neck10
492 posts
I tried your pricer22@charter email but didnt work
Sept. 7, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Try pricer22@hotmail.com
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