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Discussion: Why are there not any ranking systems for senior softball/ only rating??

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Aug. 30, 2011
DT 0
12 posts
Why are there not any ranking systems for senior softball/ only rating??
I think there needs to be a ranking system by region based off tournament performance what you all think??
Aug. 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
In the Northern region, K sheeran Essentials/Polyviou Dental 50 AAA has won 3 of our 4 tourneys we played in this year. Two of them were worlds (ISSA placed 3rd & SSUSA Northern 1st), Chicago Prime out of Chicago is a tough squad as is the Buckeye's from Ohio.
Aug. 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
yeah maybe,but who is gonna do it.we have the ratings of teams(AA,AAA,M,M+)why do we need to break it down even more.
Aug. 31, 2011
outlaw
Men's 50
24 posts
Florida Half Century is now using a points system to rank the 160 50+ teams in the state.
Seems to be working well.
Aug. 31, 2011
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
Northern California Senior Softball Association has long used a ranking system for every one of its 106 50+ teams. This ranking ignores classifications such as major, major plus, AAA, etc., as well as age. Teams are ranked by performance, and somewhat by potential (a committee of involved players rank the teams and they have played against or watched most of them).

This allows more even brackets since teams may play older or younger teams in a tournament, as long as they are ranked closely together. If there is too much disparity in ability in a bracket (usually 10 or more positions), then handicaps are given to even things up (higher ranked teams usually overcome giving handicaps and still win, as do higher ranked younger teams).

One difference is that 70 and older teams are allowed eleven players on defense. When teams are ranked, however, age classification becomes less important. There are teams that are classified as 60 or 65 that have mostly older players since ranking lessens the issue of taking on a younger player (friend, brother, sponsor, etc.). A 70 team may be classified a 65 team for SSUSA purposes because of one or two 65-year-olds, but in NCSSA they will still play teams of similar ability in tournaments.

It is also why NCSSA tournaments don't have pool play—teams are already ranked by ability. Teams go straight to bracket play in the first game.
Aug. 31, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Well said Omar.
Their brackets have become better the last two years and game results show that.
Aug. 31, 2011
Miterbox24
5 posts
Pricer,
Not sure which player you were on Sheeran, but you guys were definitely a tough team. Congratulations on your win. Well deserved.

Mike
Buckeye Classics
Aug. 31, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Mike, I was the pitcher that depends tremendously on his fellow teammates for as much run support a needed to win.
Aug. 31, 2011
Miterbox24
5 posts
As I remember it, you did a great job of fielding the middle. I was playing first base against you guys. You guys really hit the ball hard. Nice Team!!
Aug. 31, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1981 posts
Pricer-congratulations on your win--sounds like you guys are tough!
Dave commented on meeting you-said you're a nice guy and he enjoyed talking to you.
Aug. 31, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1981 posts
I'm sure the office does not have time to put out rankings, but why don't we set up a thread for each division and discuss it here. That might be a lot of fun.
Aug. 31, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
if ya rank a team,i think you will have to do away with the age brackets then,maybe....or go with 10 year increments maybe.....
Aug. 31, 2011
southernson
260 posts
The Florida Half Century ranking systems works real well. It truly makes the game results reflect in the rankings.

The top teams no longer get to stay there no matter what...it's win or go back. Lower teams get to move up
quickly if they win. It's honest and it's fair. Their message board can be found at www.fhcsoftball.org if anyone has some questions I'm sure they would be willing to share information.
Aug. 31, 2011
JBTexas
Men's 65
262 posts
MD your wrong. systemworks great in florida, played there for 10 years and we always played in 5 years division 50-55-60-65-70+. We always played team that match our playing ability, when we improved we move up, lost players or got worse we were moved down. This why most Florida teams don't go outside fla to play, their know they will face AAA teams that really Major,etc.Add playing 12 months of the year. We are in the wrong state Mad Dog.
Aug. 31, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
tell me jbt,when i retired i was looking at florida,but momma has family here in tyler,so we ended up here,i wanted the jacksonville area of florida myself.....


the FHC has enough teams to be able to do that(and close enough together for traveling),when you go with ssusa,spa, teams are spread out so as not to make that a good idea,to me.it all sounds good,just saying....also in the norcal assoc,with their rankings you get to play the same teams a lot.i do know that as i have played in that assoc....
Sept. 3, 2011
outlaw
Men's 50
24 posts
I'm not sure I understand what travel distance has to do with ranking?
In FHC teams are reseeded after each of the monthly bracket tournaments.
In the 50s division we have a team that started the year, (Jan.), ranked #15, they are now #4.
Another team started at 54, they are now 28. Another team started at 60, they are now 39.
Its performance driven and most of the objectivity is avoided.
Sept. 3, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
outlaw not talking about rankings with that,but having the tourney's themselves,we are not as fortunate as florida and cali to have the number of teams you guys have.......
Sept. 4, 2011
outlaw
Men's 50
24 posts
I knew I didn't understand.....
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