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Discussion: where is the beef???

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Oct. 4, 2011
tugboat
2 posts
where is the beef???
With the high fees ($500 - $700) that are required to play in tournaments why are us players only getting little trinket medals (ISSA), cheap patches (SPA) and little or nothing in other tournaments? With the vast amount of income the organizations are making; how much longer will us player continue to fall prey to our desires to compete? Should not the tournaments post a prize list before we enter???
Oct. 4, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Because most of the guys on this board will tell you that you are only playing for the memories.
Oct. 4, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
Is it memories or is it competition? I would say competition and not memories. I have enough memories. Thanks Harry
Oct. 4, 2011
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
It's gotta be the competition, because I have no memory!

Birdie ... I think I had a relative who used to play for NV Force when they were a 55 team.
Oct. 4, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
#19. What is his name? we played I think two years of 55 ball before going to 60s. The team was called Murphy's Law prior to that. Thanks Harry
Oct. 4, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
#19 no memory,i believe that....DOH,LOL.......
Oct. 4, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Prizes come and go, the memory of comraderere and competition is priceless.
Oct. 4, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
tugboat, this is what I meant.

Somehow guys think camraderie, competition, and decent awards are mutually exclusive.
Oct. 4, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
E4/E6:
You said it.
Oct. 4, 2011
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
Most tournaments in northern California are around $300, sometimes less. When you factor in field rental, umpire fees, balls, publicity, free beverage, etc., we're not surprised that the prizes are usually T-shirts or caps, sometimes jackets. Takes some faith and seed money to risk putting on a tournament and hoping for enough teams to cover your costs.

For those tournaments that are twice as expensive, I guess the answer is that they are organized and hosted by for-profit organizations, so somehow the staff have to get paid, and that comes out of the money left over after the tournament costs.

The ultimate answer is that I would never decide on being part of a tournament based on prize quality. I could care less about that. I've gotten several "gold" and "silver" wristwatches from our annual championship tournament and they sit in a drawer unused. My satisfaction is the game itself, competition (especially against unfamiliar teams), and the friendships that are made and strengthened.
Oct. 4, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Omar K.;
If I remember correctly they have about 7 levels of competition. It's been 4 years now since last there.
The five years I went I never say any graffiti in the town. But from what i read from there the influx of people has takes some toll.
As for all you mention about the event it's all than and more.
However, I think it's raining today and tomorrow....
Your lack much info about the middle para, trust me.
Haven't you won a pair of socks over the years in NCSSA? You missed a treat. But i know what you meant.
Oct. 5, 2011
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
taits, that would be a big tournament to have 7 levels. Most brackets aim for 6 teams, some have 5, a few have 4. Let's say an average of 5.5 teams per bracket, so a 7 level tournament would mean 39 teams—that would be more than most venues can hold, but some can accommodate by spreading teams around.

Yes, I can imagine I am naive about the second paragraph.

No, taits, I have not won a pair of socks! I'm disappointed, although I have never worn true baseball socks in my life. I did get a bat bag once.
Oct. 5, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Omar:
I'll try again, contact me, tait_ebay@yahoo.com Info won't go any where else.
Oct. 5, 2011
canIjack
Men's 60
319 posts
Competition comes and goes, But the Prizes Won, those are my memories. Memories of the comrade ere, I had with those special guys on those Teams and that is priceless.

Come on guys, we spend a lot of money to travel and play in these Tournaments. And to get nothing, but a Smile and hand shake.

THERE IS A FOOL BORN EVERYDAY

To give your money and time, and you get nothing in return?

I just can't remeber all those Tournaments
We played in, but when I look at the awards in my game room, Oh yea then I remember. The State,The town and the Guys oh yea, The great plays and the Home runs.
Senior Softball needs something to play for! Better Prizes is what needed.The Associations needs to Stop taking all the Money and give some back.
Oct. 5, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
canljack, obviously you remember well what PT Barnum said.
Oct. 5, 2011
canIjack
Men's 60
319 posts
Gary19 "Every minute"...... Old Fools at that! We'er just old fools chasing a Dream. I'm included.
Oct. 5, 2011
tugboat
2 posts
Maybe the tournament hosts will look into this. ISSA in Norther VA, hosts plenty of tournaments and at $600 - $700 per team the little ribbon and medallion needs to stop. While the tournament is well organized the umpires receive ~$25.00 per game and the average number ist of games played per team is 6. That is $150.00 in umpire fees, throw in $25.00 for balls and $25.00 miscellaneous. That comes to $200.00 per team. With $400 -$500 per team left for profit, I think more than a trinket should be awarded. Don't know how much or what deal they get on the fields, but with the number of teams (100) that they are bringing to the area that need food and lodging; I would not be surprised if the fields are thrown in for free????
Oct. 5, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Don't forget another but also a big income generator. The organizations get a kick back from the hotels, per room, per night.
Oct. 5, 2011
rightrj1
Men's 55
180 posts
I play for the love of the game and the Competition...The prizes could and should be nicer..just look at this years PHx tourney..337 teams @ $600.00 per team that's $202,220.00 just in entry fee's..I'm sure they could take 10K or 20K out of that and give some nice prizes to the 1st & 2nd place teams in each division! We just recently won a tourney the rings cost $180.00 per player hell even if they bought 100 rings that's only $18k.
Nice prizes would be nice, but don't hold your breathe!!!
Oct. 5, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Agreed, We do and should be playing for the love of the game and the competition. Fortunately we are still able to compete.
The prizes are secondary and even stuff I have when I was a kid is either lost or in boxes. It would be however nice to see some of our money returned to us in the form of quality prizes.
The trinkets are really a waste of the organizations money because I'll bet most of us don't even know where some of that stuff is.
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