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Discussion: no major plus rating

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Oct. 8, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
687 posts
no major plus rating
We just finished playing in Va Beach ISSA for the start of the 2012 season. There were only three teams in the 60 major bracket. NVFORCE, Jersey Metro and Turn Two. Turn Two had just won the Las Vegas Tourney with four teams in the MAJOR PLUS Division. We had to play them as a major team. There were no equalizer rules in place. We lost to them in the first game by three and by twelve in the second game that we played them.We had to beat Jersey Metro for the right to play and try to beat Turn Two twice to win the bracket.I will tell you that is almost impossible. I love to compete but when you have little chance that is not any fun. I vote to keep four divisions for this reason. I will not waste my money again if this situation comes up . I will vote that our team not play in any of these such tourneys again.I will play them with the equalizer rule in effect but not heads up.It may sound like sour grapes but that is my personal opinion on this matter. Thanks Harry #20 NVFORCE
Oct. 8, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
So, with a four-division setup, how many teams would have been in your bracket in this tournament?
Oct. 8, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
Looks like you were right in that first game only losing by three. Would you feel better if you were gifted 5 runs and "won" by two? Not much of a tournament regardless of the division with only three teams. All of these little tournaments have to be combined to make it worth while to participate in.
Oct. 9, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2734 posts
Harry, you didn't say what the scores were. Were they high scorng or low?
I was told that Turn Two were beat badly in pool play in Vegas but turned it around for the de play.
Hope to see you and the NV Force in Myrtle Beach.
Bruce
Oct. 9, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
This is exactly why things need to change, remaining stagnant set you up for failure!
Oct. 9, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
687 posts
Gary, I have no idea. There were two teams that dropped out but I do not think that was because of the Major Plus team being allowed to play major.

Jawood, I believe that I would of been happy with a win. I would have realized that we won because of the 5 runs. We played these guys in the east coast championship tourney. We won the first game in pool play which set up the double elimination bracket in our favor. We lost the next two games that we played them and we got 5 runs in each of the three games. It is hard to compete with a true Major Plus when you are a Major team board line AAA. Turn Two's last hitter hit as many home runs as our whole team. There is the separation between the 2 divisions. As long as there are the big three organizations we will have this problem. Too many tourneys not enough money.

Bruce, I am not good with scores. I do know who wins and who loses. I believe that the first game was 21 to 18. Somebody help be out here.

Pricer, I agree but I have a hard time playing in the 60 year old division let alone competing with guys in their 50s.That is just my opinion on what my body is able to hold up to.

Thanks Harry # 20 NVFORCE
Oct. 9, 2011
turn2
486 posts
Bruce,
We were losing to Force 18-14 in the fith inning with the 6 open. We were home. We scored 7 runs to go up 3 runs. They scored one run in the open inning. We won 21-19 and then we beat Jersey Metro 25 11 in the practice games.
In de we were up 14-10 in the third and Force blanked the next 2 innings and we won 21-10. Thwn we beat Metro 29-11 and they put up only 4 runs in the last 5 innings.
Also I would like to mention that we had 12 players and 9 of them were 65 or older. That should be an equalizer right there. If you put up 0 runs too many times or score only a couple of runs it is hard to beat anyone.
Donnie
Turn Two
Oct. 9, 2011
GaCMan
86 posts
Am I reading this right ?????? In the topic titled CHANGE there is talk of having only 2 divisions REC an COMPETITIVE. How will this work when the MAJORS AND MAJOR PLUS disagree on playing each other????? This seems a lot closer to fair than either one playing down against teams of lesser ability and age AAA or AA???? Now I see how it is when the shoe is on the other foot. Try getting you clock cleaned 25 to 4 in 4 innings and having to give them 5 runs.

This is the reason there are more than 2 divisions. I do like the talk coming of not more than 2 players from an upper level playing down. A true major team(8 or 9) players playing one with only 4or 5 usualy are not equal much less a true major team playing down against a AAA team with no major players. Thats not equal even with 5 yrs of age, much less giving 5 runs.

I know everybody should get a chance to play but all equalizers are not equal. A upper level team should NEVER be able to eliminate a team from it's respective division. Don't mind playing them for consolation but thats it. Don't really know why they would want it any other way the upper team is not competing for the lower division championship anyway so why screw it up. JUST MY OPINION LIKE ******** WE ALL HAVE ONE. thanks for letting me vent.
Oct. 9, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2734 posts
It sounds as if the NV Force was in the game until they failed to produce runs late in the game. You can't expect to win many games if you don't score in most innings.
Am I missing something here? It's not as if the games were a blow out.
I don't know if its me but I wouldn't blame this on a Major Plus team beating up on a lower rated team.
GaCMan, by the way, the scoreboard was wrong, we scored 5 each of the 4 innings and were given one run in each inning, totaling 24. Also, Monty is a major player.
Oct. 9, 2011
GaCMan
86 posts
OK 1 major player. Don't take this wrong I'm not ILL at you or your team I have the greatest respect for you guys. That being said theres too much difference between your team and ours for them to put us together in the same division. To me would make more sense to group all the major teams then impliment the equalizer factor,maybe???? Just don't think it's fair for a team of your calibur to help eliminate some of the AAA teams. The teams that yall didn't play had a huge advantage in this one. One loss puts you in a huge hole also a differant state of mind. Anyway look forward to meeting you maybe in MBeach and discussing this in person. Am I a soar loser hell yes aren't we all or we would just stay home and not play. Every time I play I exspect or at least hope to win, if not for that no need to play. Have read a lot of your posts hope to meet you one day. Joey
Oct. 9, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2734 posts
I agree that your team and the team from Indiana was at a disadvantage of having to play us when others in your bracket didn't.
I don't know what the answer is. Maybe the td should have told us the situation befor the weekend and offered our entry fee returned or maybe we should have played in the 50's bracket.
Oct. 10, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
687 posts
Bruce, We did not hit in a couple of innings which does happen to us way to often.In the first game we were up 18-14 after five inning but those 14 runs were basically scored in three innings. We turned a double play in one inning and a triple play in another. The triple play happened with first and third and nobody out. I agree that we were in the game and stop hitting which you cannot do against any team.

We could play that team even up over ten games and maybe win one. I know our capabilities and theirs and I cannot see any other outcome than that.

Thanks Harry
Oct. 10, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2734 posts
Congrats on the triple play!
Turn Two is a great team.
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