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| Oct. 18, 2011 cutty 44 posts | Balls How were the balls in Phoenix? |
| Oct. 18, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | I would guess the same for both teams. |
| Oct. 18, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | trump stotes.......... |
| Oct. 18, 2011 Enviro-Vac Men's 65 489 posts | No problem. We played most of the weekend in 100* heat and I thought the balls stood up really well. |
| Oct. 18, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | We've never have had a problem in Phoenix-the balls always travel well there. |
| Oct. 19, 2011 cutty 44 posts | Thanks!! Playing in Phoenix. Why so few Hr,s per team and 5 runs per 1/2 ending. This is the World let us play. |
| Oct. 19, 2011 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | The Trump Stotes do not hold up well in the heat here in Phoenix. We used the same ball in Reno in May when the temps were much cooler and they flew much better than in the heat here. I've only seen about 5 HRs in six or seven games I've seen or played in in the 65 Major Plus bracket. I think we get 10 HRs but I've not seen any team hit more than 2. |
| Oct. 19, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Being real here for a minute, and yes I know there are still 65+ guys who can play the game, exactly how many home runs should guys eligible for Social Security be able to hit? Do people really believe that hitting homers is a lifelong entitlement? That if the "balls aren't flying" something must be wrong with the balls, or the sport? |
| Oct. 19, 2011 wagon487 Men's 55 578 posts | Gary19, do you ever post anything positive? I don't know why you stay here, you are not happy with anything in senior softball. |
| Oct. 19, 2011 #19 Men's 70 302 posts | wagon ... I guess he's expressing his opinion, just like you do. |
| Oct. 19, 2011 PattyMac 90 posts | Hey Guys, Does anyone know with the rule changes for next year to match with LVSSA rules will the ball also be the "rock" ball used in Las Vegas? It is a great ball that really holds up well in the heat. Being from the South the ball really makes a difference with the heat and humidity we have down here in the summers. The stote and rock are both Trump balls and most players will agree that the best ball should be used. PattyMac |
| Oct. 19, 2011 perly 88 posts | Patty Mac, hopefully with the SSUSA/LVSSA merger the official ball with be the Rock. The Trump Stote is a decent ball except in high heat/humidity, which unfortuneately, is what we play in mostly here in the Southeast. wagon487, totally agree with you about the negative comments. You would think if someone hates the game so much they would find another sport more to thier liking? Heavens forbid someone goes to the gym, takes BP regualrly, works hard at the game and enjoys hitting homeruns. Something must be horribly wrong with the game!!!!!!!!! SSUSA, can you tell us which ball, The Rock, Stote or something else will be your official ball next season? |
| Oct. 19, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | unless the rock is the MCT version it will be no better than the stote in the heat.by the way doublel 10,didn't i see you launch one at papago or was that your evil twin...LOL...... |
| Oct. 19, 2011 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | Just my opinion but the Baden ball seems to be the best in all temps. Would like SSUSA to at least consider them. |
| Oct. 19, 2011 PattyMac 90 posts | Maddog, The rock they use in LVSSA was great in the heat. We played in las vegas and the heat was over 100 and played during the middle of the day and the balls were great. Alot better than the stote. The stote in the south is a mush ball during the hot part of the day. PattyMac |
| Oct. 19, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | pattymac,when you held it,did it feel a tiny bit soft,could squeeze it a tiny bit,if so that is the MCT version,that ball holds up in the heat and is above 375 compression in the core.the soft cover was developed to get by the compression test,which is to compress a ball 1/4" and see how much compression it takes. |
| Oct. 20, 2011 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | Gary19- you need to get out of your premature fall season rocking chair, or pull your head out of the hole it's in, and see how softball life is out of the ghetto.....you don't have clue. You need to get to the SSUSA Worlds and see for yourself, or perhaps pitch some BP to a 65 Major+ team that is on Social Security. Yesterday in the heat of the day, Softball Guru's (Texas) hit at least 7 HR's against us, maybe 8. Don't let age fool you as to how it is on the national scene, it's not like those rec leagues you are in! Patty Mac is right on about The Rock...............but, he's right on about most things anyway. |
| Oct. 20, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | So you think 65+ guys are doing what they did in their 20s and 30s and it is not due in major part to the bats? Give them stock ASA bats and see how many go out. You are proving my point. Can some of them still play? I believe I said they can. Can they hit like that without the special bats? Need I answer? |
| Oct. 20, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | curveball the rock if only the MCT version will hold up,like all softballs that are 44-375,the heat will affect them.the MCT is a multi layer ball,and not affected by the heat. mmm hot bats,guess those guys are cheaters.when are you gonna get it thru your ball on top of your shoulders that all bats must pass the 1.20 bpf test.it is the same test ASA started with and everyone adopted it.just b/c one assoc feels it is good to use and others don't,why are the bats special.usssa has a different bat test than asa now,does that make usssa special.all assoc have a bat test,and you can't use them all over all assoc's.why don't states all have the same speed limit,or cities for that matter.you beat something into the ground but refuse to research the subject.... |
| Oct. 20, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Gee puppy, I don't know, maybe when you can comprehend that the kids CANNOT for example use an Ultra 2. Maybe there was a reason why the others had the sense to ban bats that are lively beyond what is needed to hit a large ball moving slowly. |
| Oct. 20, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | then why is there a need for the other other assoc's to have their own test,asa is the strictest with usssa then senior,all bats must meet the 1.20 bpf at least to be used.the u-2 was allowed for a year or so,before being banned by asa.asa has been dumbing down their bat the whole time(they have a list of 20-30 bats that have been approved by ASA at one time,that are now banned,so all of them would be special bats),while the others stood pat with what they have.so no specialty bats,just the same test from the beginning of testing and that is what we use........please get off your broken down horse,and quit beating it as its not gonna run.......... |
| Oct. 20, 2011 E4/E6 Men's 70 873 posts | With that thinking, everything after the broomstick is special. Or maybe we are special, seniors still playing an 8 year olds game, far better then most I might add. Gary you may add some insight to some of the discussions here, but for the most part you are the most negative, pessimistic person I have never met. Have you ever analized this behavior to try and understand why you are as you are? When I feel so negative about something I try to understand why and then distance myself from that subject. You seem to embrace it instead. |
| Oct. 20, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Just trying to increase the typical 4 or 5 team brackets by making the game more of what it used to be. The simple game that most of us grew up playing. |
| Oct. 20, 2011 E4/E6 Men's 70 873 posts | Its still simple Gary, thats the beauty of it. No matter how much its been tried to change it, it still stays the same basic game. The small turn outs on the local level are great for preparing for the larger tourneys and have a very good place in Senior Ball. They give teams the chance to work on many fundimentals and try different things with their lineups. It gives teams practice when guys cant always find time otherwise to play and hone their skills. And they are great social outlets to say hello to old friends who we wouldnt normally get to visit with if we waited for the bigger tourneys. Maybe you should jump back on the tourney schedule and see if what I am explaining is or isnt true. Become more of the solution Gary. talk to the memebrs face to face, you'll find them far more receptive then via the cyber method. Hope to see you at a tourney one day soon. |
| Oct. 20, 2011 Al33 Men's 55 183 posts | Gary19, Give a 65+ year old player a stock ASA bat with a 47/525 ball and yes oh yes, they will still hit them out. Just what is your point anyway? Oh and by the way, how does collecting social scurity have anything to do with the discussion? |
| Oct. 20, 2011 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Gary19........do you really think that taking away the "special" bats would increase the turnout in your neck of the woods? There are 80 50's teams in Phoenix. ONE is from OH. And they named it OKI. No wonder your not a happy camper. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | E4/E6, MD & Curveball: You guys are great ambassadors for senior softball. I know of many more, too many to mention... You guys love the game, you really appreciate the relationships, your posts are almost always about the positives and you each have overcome great hardships. I sincerely admire all of you. Bob, for what it's worth, your hardship was 8th grade grammar and it's clearly left an indelible mark... :-) But I know very few guys that would come to AZ for 11-12 days, play in 2 tourneys and take BP with anyone who offered. That is impressive! Curveball and E4/E6, keep fighting the good fight. You know that you have a lot of people in your corner. Sal, that goes for you as well. Good luck to each of you... you are examples of what is great about ss. I look forward to seeing you down the road before long. BW |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | salio, the OKI is short for Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. It is not for Oklahoma, if that is what you were thinking. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Gary19......I knew that, but I figured that many did not. Couldn't let it pass. the wood.....thanks. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | Once again Gary, you show your lack of knowledge about today's ballplayers, I'd assume it's just a lack of experience, not a lack of knowledge. Those home runs you asked about, they were all hit by guys that would hit them out with ASA bats. All but two were with USSSA bats. Larry Lopez and Guru's SS would hit them all day with wood bats. Your point is not proven in my age group and division. If you drop down to AAA or AA, I may agree with you on some of the guys, senior bats do add some distance. (And, for your own knowledge, my team hit 2 out in 6 games. Both by the same guy. (he'd also hit them out with a stock ASA bat.) I'm telling you, you need to get out and see what is being talked about on here. You don't have a clue. If you don't get exposure to this level of player, you can't possibly feel what the atmosphere is! To answer your question about what they did in their 20's and 30's, the guys that hit them in Phoenix in our games would have also hit them with the high teck bats when they were 20 or so, you know the old wood bat! (no insult about old intended for the Wood!) As for your statement, "Just trying to increase the typical 4 or 5 team brackets by making the game more of what it used to be. The simple game that most of us grew up playing." 1. We didn't grow up playing slowpitch, we were playing baseball growing up. As young adults, my age guys were in Vietnam, going to college, and working to support families. Slowpitch softball didn't occur for us until later in life. Our stater game or the "one we grew up with" was a 16" bare handed, wood bat game. I, as most who played then, prefer todays game and wouldn't choose to go back there. It served a recreational need at the time, but wouldn't fly on a national basis today. You just continue to bad mouth what we enjoy. We enjoy todays game, not the relick of the past. 2. Your ideas have ZERO impact on any notion of increasing the size of the fields, they are in fact quite the opposite. Your way of thinking will shrink the size of ALL tournaments. Your thoughts are archaic, often insulting, and off point based on your lack of current team knowledge. 3. I'm really sorry that you feel we must always go back to the past. Progress has given us a great game (not perfect, but great) to play with friends and best of all, against our rivals who we look forward to doing battle with.....win or lose. It is a fantastic past time for so many of us. For so many like you who choose to belittle those of us who partake in SSUSA tournaments (for mental, physical, and recreational reasons), I feel sorry for what you are missing. The games are fun, the guys are GREAT. AL33-Social Security is his way of relating to "too old to hit HR's." E4/E6-very well said. the wood-thanks. Seems to fall on deaf ears............ |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Curveball, do you or anyone else really think we have some senior players that will hit wood bats and clear the fences all day long? I have watched a home run contest in the last couple years with some of the younger players who have been great hitters (both homeruns & avg) give it a try and they were all humbled. Thinking it and doing it are two different things. The composites have added as much as 60+ feet to our swings from aluminum. What does aluminum add campared to wood? Think about it. It might be close to 75+ feet total in some cases. Not try to diss anyone here, but I would hard pressed to find any senior players using aluminum and hitting them out all day long! It's not anywhere close to being as easy as some make it out to be. JMO |
| Oct. 21, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | wood that is a big assumption,grammar,what the hell is that.......i was more into math(hence my electronics career)and history, in school,oh also the sport of the season......LOL....... thank you wood,was over at ceaser chavez and seen a couple of the GSF guys,but couldn't hang as we had to get back over to desert west for elim bracket... |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Curveball, some very good points. 1) "senior bats do add some distance" Some???? I think that is a bit of an understatement. They will add distance for everyone at every level. Now I completely agree that I cannot/should not generalize all players. But those bats are helping everyone. They will help a mishit go out, though with the exaggerated sweet spots there aren't many mishits, but even that proves my point about the bats. 2) To clarify (my bad), by growing up I meant through our 20s and 30s. Agreed, everyone was most likely playing hardball at true children growing up. I grew up with 12" slowpitch, with Bombats, XBHs, and Harwoods. And yes, we used gloves. But I realize there are many on here older than me. 3) If you enjoy today, fine. I just don't see screens, goalie equipment, bogus courtesy runners, run limts ( I grew up having to earn your ups), and time limits (what's the rush?) as enjoyable. But I suppose enjoyment is in the eye of the beholder. 4) Perhaps my ideas might take away some of the guys who play now and are spoiled by the current game, but I think it could bring in new guys who want to see softball played the way they remember it and used to play it, and not some form tailored to guys who need technology to feel good about themselves and associations just in it to bring them in, move them out, and collect their money along the way. 5) I don't see a somewhat artificial, contrived game as progress. But maybe that is just me. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | We that are synics, follow the money trail..........Old days"Red dots" and heavy aluminum....Today "Gold Dots" and composites. Bats are more expensive than balls. Money says, let's sell expensive non warranty bats and "Socks" for balls.....Would like to see a study done with those bat/ball combos and see what the difference would be??? |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | BTW.....I'm still warning track power with either combo :0) |
| Oct. 21, 2011 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Gary19.......about 3)above. Be sure to look at the photos that will be posted. You will not see any screens or goalie equipment. Run limits and time limits are needed in order to keep a schedule. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | salio, you might be right in those pictures, but I can show you screens and goalie equipment aroudn here. Why are those limits needed now, but weren't for years and years before? Perhaps the artificial offense created by the bats? Or the time wasted with the abuse of CR rule? This game was played for a very long time at the hightest levels without either. Sure tourneys would fall hehind a bit, but no one seemed to care. We were out playing softball, what's the rush? |
| Oct. 21, 2011 softballer Men's 65 594 posts | aabout the balls maybe the umps should KEEP THE BALLS out of the sun too!!! how many times do they just let the balls set in the sun? Buy a bag and keep them cool! P.S. and enough about the special bats!! |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | You have got to be kidding baller? P.S. and enough about the special bats!! But, hey let's about the balls, maybe the umps should KEEP THE BALLS out of the sun too!!! how many times do they just let the balls set in the sun? Buy a bag and keep them cool! That has got to be one of the most hilarious comments I've ever seen on here! |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | The only thing that ever seems to matter is how far the balls can fly. The crap about friendship, camraderie, safety, renewing acquaintenances, and competition is just fluff. It always comes back to keeping the special bats, keeping the balls hard, and how far can the balls fly. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Pricer..........You've got to get to the major tournaments.......the umps do keep the balls out of the sun! Some tournaments, you can buy extra balls from the TD and insert them in the game when you think the ball is mush. Gary19........The problem I found playing at high levels with kids is that when you have too much time between games, they drink too much beer! |
| Oct. 21, 2011 E4/E6 Men's 70 873 posts | Gary if you had a cam we could probably see your lips moving, but never hear you say anything! Must be terrible to play on teams and not enjoy the guys you are playing with or the competition you get from the game. I'll bet all your former team mates are happy to hear that. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | You are a fiction writer now, E4? Where did I say I don't enjoy the guys I play with? Of course I love the competition, that is the main reason for playing. But I also don't whine about the balls. NEVER have. I started playing this game with Harwoods that would have flat spots by the 3rd inning. Why would I, or anyone our ages, ever whine about the balls? Yet it happens on here frequently. Again, tell me where my teammates are hearing anything resembling that. My only reference to the guys was to all of you who allege you play for those reasons, but it sounds like without special bats and Titleists for balls many/most of you would be out the door in a heartbeat. Teammates be damned! If this is really about competition for you guys, then as long as both teams are hitting the same balls nothing else should matter. Equal playing field, that is all you need for competition. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Salio, I'm not sure what point your trying to make here about the major tourneys. What will making it to the major tourneys do for me that I don't already know? Is this sort of like the bat foil wraps that attracts the sun and heat the bat sweet spots for better performance? Where they keep the balls makes no difference to me. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | I was just saying that softballer's comment about keeping the balls out of the sun was not so hilarious. Gary19........It is about competition. When playing with a crappy ball, both teams complain about it. They want an equal playing field yes, but they equally want a good ball. Whenever I've heard complaints about a ball, it's been all the teams complaining. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | salio, both teams complain because for the most part they are made up of a bunch of whiny old men who need good balls to hit hard/far and feel good about themselves. Sad, but that is how it looks to me. And I know many can hit hard and far without them, but then why the complaining? Maybe because the "crappy" balls might stay in the park more and these guys would actually have to go and field them. I don't know. We had excellent competition with 38-ounce Bombats and Harwoods with flat spots. Live bats with live balls are not requirements to good competition. And all the teams are complaining because all the teams are made up of insecure guys who must need live balls to feel good. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 E4/E6 Men's 70 873 posts | Your words not mine....... "The crap about friendship, camraderie, safety, renewing acquaintenances, and competition is just fluff. It always comes back to keeping the special bats, keeping the balls hard, and how far can the balls fly." I suppose your continued pissing about "Special Bats" should be over looked when someone starts a discussion about balls and how they change during different temps. Oh by the way, welcome to the old, insecure, old guy crowd. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Sal, you and I both know that some balls left in the heat will lose compression... as much as 5 lbs for every degree over 80. We would know this because we're actually out there and also because it's been discussed many, many times on this board. There are probably only 10,000 other guys that also know this. Apparently, it isn't common knowledge for those just leaving Legend School. You have had more senior experience in one season than the 'legends' will likely have in their lifetime. Why argue with folks who admit that they're hardly ever out there? (who also claim to be the devil's advocate for the betterment of the game). You have had the pleasure PLAYING against the better players and teams over the past 10+ years. You also know that the relationships DO matter and you don't need to defend this issue with malcontents. You know about the competition and, because of this, you have a strong sense of respect for the senior game... teammates and opponents alike... from AA to M+. It's like the fat guy jogging... he may not look as good as could but HE'S OUT THERE DOING IT. The Legends? They're not impressed... WHY SHOULD THEY BE? Who among out paltry little group could possibly match them in terms of experience, softball resumes, etc.? The day any of the Legends decide to show up is the same day that gasoline will drop to $2.00 per gallon. You have forgotten more than any of the Legends will ever know about WHY/HOW we play... and you don't seem to be forgetful. There are keyboard players and there are real players... just be thankful that you have been out there doing it. Like one of the Legends stated previously, thinking it and doing it are not the same. Bottom line = we do not need to justify anything to the Legends. If they really want to know how it is they'll show up. Until then, it's all about the keyboard. Why waste time on dead end streets? It isn't as if they'll ever take your/our word for it. BTW, haven't seen you in Walmart lately. :-) BW |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Sorry Sal, thought it was meant to mean something else. Wood, please don't assume because some of us don't play more than 6 plus tourneys a year we know nothing. I'm sure, like you, I've played my share of tourney ball in my lifetime and I'm not sure when all of this concern over heat/cold balls and the loss of compression BS started. But my point is, it wouldn't matter to the players I play with or myself. Our team is not built on the conditions of the ball or the bat. It's like golf, you have to play the course regardless of the obstacles put in front of you. Impressed? With what or whom? It's softball!! Sometimes Wood, you try and major league folks on here and make it that you and some of your cronies are above these conversations or dialog on here. If it weren’t for the folks that make people like you think on the message board, they would have shut it down years ago. There would nothing on here to talk about. Go back as far as you want on the board. Controversy is what keeps this board rolling, not the back slapping, pump your own tires crap. So I'll wait until next season over and I meet the qualifying number of senior ball at bats to move from the Legends to the Legends in their own mind division!! |
| Oct. 21, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | wood, despite your weak attempt at sarcasm I never said that phenomena might not occur. Only that, who cares? As long as both teams are using the same balls, why does it matter? How does it affect the competition? Sorry I don't spend exhorbitant amounts of money to travel to tournaments with small brackets and often the same teams as the previous one. But if the relationships are all you crack them up to be, then why is the ball so important. How does it affect your relationships? How does it affect the competition? Funny how you make it so personal on a website many miles away. Maybe instead of bad sarcasm you can explain why the balls matter so much to you. Or answer any of the questions above. |
| Oct. 21, 2011 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Pricer: If you feel that I 'major leagued' you I'm ok with that. It would bother me though if others felt this way. The balls have been an issue since players knew the difference between DeBeers, Harwoods, Red Dots, killer balls, etc. I didn't invent this issue and really don't whine about the balls or the bats. I just show up... When I was a sponsor we drove/flew to wherever the competition was whether they played by NSA, ASA, USSSA or senior rules (VA, TX, OR, MN, IA, WA, CO, etc.). So you're barking up the wrong tree with me. I'm not part of the bat/ball controversy. I do like a certain amount of controversy. But I tire of the constant banter that suggests we only play because of the bats. This is why we keep stating that YOU really need to get out there and experience the very thing that you and your alter ego continue to criticize (if you did so, perhaps you'd feel differently). Your 6 events apparently aren't enough because you still question OUR motives. We do play for many reasons beyond the bats. I'm not Will Rogers and, consequently, not overly motivated to be pen pals with you. BW |
| Oct. 21, 2011 softballer Men's 65 594 posts | pricer well Maybe not where u r but here!!! lots of the ones we go to they SET RIGHT OUT MIN THE SUN! Aand yes it does effect the ball! |
| Oct. 22, 2011 jano2323 3 posts | Gary19/TheNextGeneration/Dirty/Gary19 (in chronological order): The balls were the same for both teams, so what the F*** do you care? In other threads, this is your mantra. Jano |
| Oct. 22, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | wood, if most of the guys don't play for the bats, then let's see who shows up without them. And, if the bats aren't important to seniors, why is ASA approving them next year? jano, that made little sense to the English-speaking. |
| Oct. 22, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Wood, balls have never been an issue with the majority of the player I played with and against over the years. We should up and played with what the folks threw out there. Balls in our area were dictated by our state director. Hwatever he got a deal on is what we played with. You also never seen me post anything that looked like I suggested we only play because of the bats. I said I never cared for the composites. Complaining would have made no difference here. As far as the pen pal bs, your right your not Will Rodgers, so don't flatter yourself! |
| Oct. 24, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | The balls flew well in Phoenix again. If you hit it you got it. It was near 100 when we played CJ&S and there were several HR's. I think a lot of that is in peoples heads-meaning they let it bother them. |
| Oct. 24, 2011 FreeAgent10 62 posts | The ball they used in Phoenix is the same ball we have hit in Houston and Austin all year long. Weather was over a 100 most times in Texas. Absolutely, nothing wrong with the ball used in Phoenix this weekend in the 50AAA division. It carried well in every game. Just my 2 cents worth. GT |
| Oct. 24, 2011 J R 251 posts | In Houston we keep the stote in a cooler temp. at 60 degrees we take them out 30 minutes b4 game time. The Baden Fire is an excellant ball.My day league has started using the Tattoo ball from AD Star. Hell of a ball flies and holds up well. I got them from Kevin. The Rock will not hold up in hot weather it goes thud when you hit it. |
| Oct. 26, 2011 jim16 Men's 65 180 posts | I started in senior softball 18 years ago and and have continually played major plus.We hit more home runs with the DiMarini double wall and .50 COR balls than we do today. We dont play because of the bats and as we get older we lose the ability to run, throw, and catch but lose little in the way of hitting. |
| Oct. 26, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | webbie,no it is not in our heads,the stote if left in the heat will drop its compression way down.we played in the texas state champs,and they did nothing to keep the ball out of the heat and it went from being above avg to hit (beginning of tourney)to being soft as heck near the end,we played in 100 degree heat all weekend.it is a ball that needs to be stored at least at room temp(72-75 degrees)to remain a good ball.at phx this year i seen the ball going up and down in performance b/c of the heat,just depended on where the balls were kept.overall i would say they were good to go for phx,but yes the heat does affect them...... |
