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| Nov. 15, 2011 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | California/Florida Bordering rules This is worth stating again. I just had a conversation with one of my players on MY TEAM, and I was floored, that he did not understand this rule. If he does not understand, then maybe others do not understand it either. I told him that I had several players that want to play on our new 60 Major Plus team, they are in Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. He replied, "so what, I played on a team last year in another state that had California players on their team." I told him that other states are allowed to draw players from California and other bordering states, but California and Florida CANNOT draw players from any bordering state. He thought that I was kidding with him, then said how ridiculous is that. This rule needs to be repealed in the December rules committee meeting. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus |
| Nov. 15, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Just wondering. Is there hard data that shows there are that many more senior players in California and Florida than other states? I guess I can understand why someone might think that, but is their actual evidence? |
| Nov. 15, 2011 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | Gary19- I am aware of some evidence, but not aware of what it is. I probably could ask around and find out, but I believe SSUSA already knows that this rule is a flop, for its original intent. Therefore, it is a high probability that this will be repealed in December, at least that is what I have been informed from SSUSA. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus |
| Nov. 16, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | Gary19: I am leaning on my frail memory; but I think Florida has 500+ senior teams (I am sure that is covered mainly by the FHC teams); someone correct me if I am wrong. I imagine Ca has more than that. I am from Ga & I'd say there are less than 10 Ga based teams that play SSb. I only know of 2 (Hobgood & Tolleson Pk) that have Senior Leagues; probably more , but that's all I know of. Warner Robins had a small senior league a few years back, but I do not know about the present. Tater50 |
| Nov. 16, 2011 Al33 Men's 55 183 posts | How about letting everyone know what the original intent was for this rule and why it is a flop in your opinion. |
| Nov. 16, 2011 Faulkner45 21 posts | While there might be more seniors in Florida and California if you look at the ratings there are more teams out of those two states then the other states thus evening things up. |
| Nov. 16, 2011 Faulkner45 21 posts | That message I just left sounds confuseing my point is if your have less teams you have more players to pick from |
| Nov. 16, 2011 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | I do not have my notes in front of me at this time, so I am winging this response, but it should be pretty accurate anyway. Al33- You asked me to elaborate by asking 2 questions. I will answer each one separately. First, what was the original intent? California and Florida teams per SSUSA have a very large pool of players to pick from, not only in their States, but the bordering States. This has produced a large number of teams in these 2 States, and very strong teams at that, and weakoning the pool for those bordering States to produce the same. With all of the resources in California and Florida, they still tried to obtain the best players from the bordering States, like all teams do in rhe different regions. I believe the main goal was to produce more teams in other States that border California and Florida, by not allowing them to draw from the bordering States. One of the biggest flaws was that these bordering States could draw from California and Florida, and not the other way around. I do not believe that would have made much difference anyway. Secondly, why is this a flop in my opinion? Honestly, it is not just my opinion, but SSUSA has admitted that it did not go the way they had anticipated, and said that it should just go back to the way it was. Of the teams that I am aware of, they drew many players from California(and I only assume the same for Florida), but it did not produce more teams in their States of any real significance. This whole thing was a test and a flop, but a nice try. Some of the players I know from California that played in Nevada this past season, said they had a good time, but it got old travelling to a small tournament in Nevada or Arizona so many times. I have been told by several on the rules committee, that this rule should be repealed in the December meeting, but who knows till it is official. Andy Smith, 55 Major/60 Major Plus |
| Nov. 16, 2011 pushin60 Men's 60 61 posts | 500 senior teams in California? I find that very hard to believe. I hope you’re not counting the teams in SSUSA’s database. Probably 40% of them no longer exist. They just never bother to clean it up. I’m sure it’s the same way in Florida. |
| Nov. 16, 2011 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | pushin60, I think you are correct if you are talking about senior TOURNAMENT teams. Northern California, for example, has 113 teams but 5 are from out of state and 12 of them played in one tournament or less, so they might just be combinations of players from other teams (you can be double-rostered in NCSSA), so I would say northern California has 100 teams at most. I believe they are more active in the north than the south, so I would estimate a max of 200 tournament teams in the state. If you are counting senior teams playing rec ball or club ball, the number would probably be another 100. Not close to 500 in my estimation. |
| Nov. 16, 2011 audieh Men's 60 249 posts | The Florida Half Century which meets once a month somewhere in the state for a 4 game tournament has about 86, 50+ teams and also about 85, 60+ teams. However, only about 10 to 15 of these teams actively play play national tournaments. There are other senior teams in some of the larger cities where they have leagues but just about all of the serious teams are in the FHC. |
| Nov. 17, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | Pushin60:"500 senior teams in California? " Sorry; did not mean tourney teams. I was leaning on my frail memory. I only know of about 10 Senior Teams in Ga & that includes tourney teams; probably are more. JMO: I'd think that Ca & Fla would have many more than 200 senior teams statewide. Anyone have a more accurate figure? Tater50 |
