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Discussion: SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE 2011 AGENDA SYNOPSIS

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Dec. 4, 2011
SSUSA Staff
1284 posts
SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE 2011 AGENDA SYNOPSIS
The SSUSA Rules Committee Annual Meetings will occur on Thursday and Friday, December 8-9, 2011, at the Annual Convention in St. Pete Beach, FL. The Agenda is comprised of 17 pages of material, including Exhibits, for Committee Member consideration and action. The December 8th Session is open to the public and we encourage public participation in the comments and debate. The December 9th Session is a closed working and voting session. The results of the Committee actions will be posted shortly after the Rules Committee report is delivered during the General Closing Session of the Convention on Friday afternoon.

We are posting a two-page synopsis of that Agenda to keep the membership informed, and to provide an opportunity for interested parties to offer additional issues for consideration prior to Tuesday noon Eastern Time. The final Agenda will be transmitted to the printers early Tuesday afternoon. Thank you!

Dec. 4, 2011
SSUSA Staff
1284 posts
Dec. 5, 2011
udaplaya
91 posts
My $.02 worth

Border: eliminate for M+ division

Mercy Rule: i would like to see this implemented, at least for bracket games. If for all games, then move "run differential" ahead of "least runs allowed" in the tiebreaker hierarchy.

M+ vs. Major: the status quo is not acceptable.
(i)based on results/performance, i would recommend moving at least the top ten (10) Major teams up to M+. Some will disband, some will age-up, some will reorganize and come back as Major, but after a few years of moving up at least ten (10) teams, there is a viable chance at a meaningful draws at your regional tourneys.
(ii) Major+ draws of four (4) or less teams will be combined with Major division, using exsting equalizers.

Dec. 5, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
720 posts
Dave,

I have all the trust and faith, that you will get done what needs to be done. The ball is in your court. Thanks for always trying to do the right thing! Good Luck!

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major Plus
Dec. 5, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
Some I have trust to do what needs to be done. Some not so much.
Dec. 5, 2011
stattad
Men's 65
169 posts
I would sure love to see the base distance changed from 65' to 70'. It would lower the high scores we currently have and would put much more emphasis on defense!
Dec. 6, 2011
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
to the contrary lengthening the bases will not put more emphasis on defense--if I hit a roller between 2nd and 3rd I almost always beat it out--hence the defense has to step it up or have a base runner--with longer bases I would need 2 more steps to beat the throw -almost impossible--with longer bases the defense can relax a little--
Dec. 6, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Forcing seniors to use the same bats as everyone else would help do the same thing.
Dec. 6, 2011
neck10
498 posts
dont seniors get to play from a closer TEE in golf also wonder why??????????????
Dec. 6, 2011
tinman
Men's 50
75 posts
Same bats!LOL.I hope you would have someone to play in your best 2 out of 3 one day tourney.It will never happen.That works in your local senior village only.
Dec. 6, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
It doesn't take Einstein to figure out we need 'lively bats and balls forever'!! Ooops sorry-time warp.

On the serious side, I love the 70 foot bases. It does give the defense an edge and they need it. It takes away a lot of the automatic doubles on a lot of weak singles, and brings the double play back into play in a big way. Vegas has been quite a bit lower scoring than Phoenix, and I think this is a major factor. I feel strongly we should go to this.

The extra five minutes has made a difference in innings played. I like 1-1 because it gets players swinging earlier in the count, and keeps the pace of the game moving faster.

No brainer-teams should NOT ever be able to forfeit a game to gain an advantage.

CR rules-I went into this at length in another thread. Maybe the more competitive divisions might consider limiting CR's, but I think AA and AAA should stay the way it is.

I know the discussion that will go into this will be lively at the convention. Thanks SSUSA for the effort you put into this.

Dec. 6, 2011
Lang
9 posts
Lets put the bases back to 70', keep the same bats or we will be in the same position the younger guys are in with all the bat shaving and I do believe that if we went to USSSA bats this would be a wide spread problem and give each team 6-12 balls with the opportunity to by more balls if needed from the directors and have them chase there own balls. Plus with the way the humidity and heat is down here in the south use the Rock by trump it appears to hold up a lot better in these conditions or give us a choice and we supply our own balls with the latter probably the best way to go.
Dec. 6, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Of course it will never happen, too many prideless old men who would no longer be able to go home and tell the grandkids "pappy hit a home run today".

Mark, players should determine the pace, not rules. Hustle on and off the field, throw strikes, and cutback on the wasted time putting rabbits in to run and you would easily save the 5 minutets you are talking about.
Dec. 6, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
Put the product out there, Gary-on the field and your money where your mouth is. I bet the overwhelming majority are happy, for the most part, with what we have and are also happy to just be playing at our ages.
Hustle-about the only time I hustle anymore it to the bathroom for pee number 3 at 2:48 every morning! LOL
Dec. 6, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I know they are happy. After all, they are "heroes" to the grandkids.

By the way, we could just as easily play at our ages without the special bats. One is NOT connected to the other.

For me is was 4:55am this morning. But that was just the first time. :)

I know you were joking, but when/why did hustle leave the game? I know we are all older, and no one expects sprinting, but a little effort would not hurt anyone. Nor would throwing strikes, and having pitchers dictate a proper pace.

Those all should be tried before contrived rule changes.
Dec. 6, 2011
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Gary..Pride has nothing to do with it. Senior players came to SSUSA, saw the rules, decided to play. End of story. Nothing special. Seniors don't care about what kids use or don't use. Not everyone goes home and brags about achievements in a slow pitch softball game to their grand kids.
Dec. 6, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Of course not everyone does. But seriously, why the insistence? And the consequent numerous rule changes. Something drives so many to require the bats.

Any thoughts on what that is? Or just more avoiding discussing the apparent psychological dependency?
Dec. 6, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Gary you have beaten that horse past dead it now has been tenderized to perfection.
As much as I dislike agreeing with Einstein, he was right. The majority do like the bats we use, for whatever their reasons are. Our current bats arent going away.
The changes are in place, some will change again, some wont. Its just the nature of our sports evolution. Love it or leave it. Quite simple really.
Personally I like things pretty much the way they are.
Dec. 6, 2011
LP
294 posts
one thing i would like to see changed is the commitment line instead of 20 feet from home plate, make it 25 feet from third base,that would be a real commitment line. for if you are 20 feet from home plate you arent going to run 45 feet back to third.
Dec. 6, 2011
SSUSA Staff
1284 posts
The public comment period (through this Message Board) is now closed. We will be incorporating the comments made here into the Committee Session Agenda Exhibits. Thank you to everyone who took the time to share their thoughts. That's important to us. [Thread closed]

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