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Discussion: Rock'n Reno the end of May

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Dec. 16, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Rock'n Reno the end of May
The NV Force is thinking of attending this tourney in 2012. Does anybody have any idea how many 60 Major teams usually attend. The air fare is pretty steep. I was hoping to get some kind of idea if it would be worth it for us to spend that kind of money. Thanks Harry #20
Dec. 16, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
That could be quite different looking at the last 3 years 2011 had 12 teams
2010 had 5 tams and 2009 8 teams.
That said, there is no telling if any of those have moved up to 65's or any from the 55's moved to the 60's.
Might be good to do now as your doing as well as about two weeks before the entry deadline to see if teams have entered.
I'm sure the next couple of months will be team restructuring time.
Dec. 16, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Taits, Thanks for the info. We have a meeting in Jan. to try and set our schedule for 2012. So all information will be helpful. I do believe that we are leaning towards this tourney. I believe that we are dropping our ISSA tourneys. Thanks Harry
Dec. 16, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
You can go back even further for this as well as maybe compare teams up or down you may know., see tournaments above in red and scroll down to the dated you need then hit the R & R link & go to the age on the teams entered link.
Good luck Harry, Happy Holidays.
Dec. 16, 2011
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Harry, Why is NVF dropping ISSA?
Dec. 16, 2011
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1048 posts
Harry ... The following are the actual attendance figures for 60-Major over the past three years of the Rock 'n Reno Challenge Cup:

2011 • 10 60-Major (+2 60-M+ who played RR with them before splitting to their own Best 2 of 3)
2010 • 10 60-Major (+5 60-M+ in their own separate RR and bracket)
2009 • 6 60-Major (+8 60-M+ in their own separate RR and bracket)

Personal opinion here: Rock 'n Reno is the best tournament we have done historically, every year ... Excellent competition across all age groups and ratings ... It's the largest "qualifier" tournament in the country, regardless of association, and has been between 210-220 total teams over the past three years ... Hotel accommodations are very very inexpensive, and Reno has just about everything you would enjoy in Las Vegas for off-the-field hours activities, except it costs about 40% of what you would spend in Las Vegas ... Hope you guys can make it!

Dec. 17, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Thank For the info Dave.

Dec. 17, 2011
DoubleL10
Men's 65
813 posts
Harry, From someone who has been to Rock 'n Reno a few times, this tournament is a MUST if you can go. It is an early test as to how a team stands Nationally versus others in its classification.

I've been about 6 times now and the only negative can be the weather. This year it was cold/rainy/snowy and sleety while we were there! Other years it has been very nice. It's always a crap-shoot that time of year.

Most of the fields are very nice except you do NOT want to play at Rancho San Rafael unless it has been re-done.

Good luck and hope to see you on the diamond in 2012!
Dec. 17, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
DD,
So the 12 teams I mention for 2011 were a mix in the 60 plat division???
Two teams vs 12 teams is a major difference.
Thanks for correcting me.
Seasons Greetings.
Dec. 19, 2011
goforit
97 posts
Harry,
The Reno tournament is a lot of fun and usually the teams are very good. We were lucky the last two years and managed to win the 60 major division. Not sure what our status will be in 2012 but we always add this tournament to our schedule. The weather is usually ok, last year we got some rain on Saturday and Sunday which shortened the games on Sunday to 5 innings. This year the 60's play over the holiday weekend so it goes Saturday through Monday i believe. Hope you and your team show up.
John Giesler
Master Collision
Dec. 20, 2011
surf88
Men's 60
870 posts
Harry, I agree with John and the others. The Reno tourney is a good one indeed with excellent competition and some complexes that are fun to play on. Dave and the staff at SSUSA do a great job organizing the event. If you can fit it in your schedule, it would be a wise decision, in my opinion.
Dec. 20, 2011
B.K.
23 posts
No Dice is 60 major this year. We always go to . We will be there.
Dec. 20, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Thanks guys. I will recommend this tourney and hope that we can get an enough of a commitment. It should be fun. hope everybody is safe with all the bad weather out there. Merry Christmas to all. Harry
Dec. 27, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
We are in need of more tourneys in the Ohio, Michigan area's. Do any of the other associations have any worth going to?
Dec. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Jeff, that is a great thought, the only problem being it would probably just get the same 4 or 5 teams per bracket that the other OH, MI, IN tourneys do.
Dec. 27, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
That might be the case, but I would rather spend less money traveling in this area and playing 4-5 teams than spending the extra cash with more travel and play the same numbers.
Dec. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
No doubt. At this point I would rather spend MUCH less and just play a limited amount of teams in my leagues. At least there are more teams in those than in a typical bracket, and if I am going to play the same teams over and over anyway I don't have to pay for hotel rooms this way.
Dec. 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3931 posts
b/c of the great time we had last year,the dallas spurs might go back again.won't know till the beginning of the year maybe march......

most of the div's had double digit teams in them,60 AAA had 23 teams.....

if ya want more tourney's/teams in your area how about planning one and throw it in conjunction with ssusa as a qualifier,lets see how many you teams you can get,be proactive and do some work yourself,see how easy it is......
Dec. 27, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
How many folks out there would be interested in a tourney in the Michigan area? If so what age/divisions do you play?
Dec. 27, 2011
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Yes, 55+ AAA. SPA had 4 or 5 in our area last year. With this economy we need to keep our traveling costs down.
Dec. 27, 2011
neck10
493 posts
where in michigan grand rapids would be nice
Dec. 27, 2011
TOMAR77
Men's 55
198 posts
Git-R-Done55, now AAA are planning on attending ,(God Willing). We, as a AA Team have had our best competition in "Rockin Reno" (other then The WS).If you want to see how your teams fits in a particular Division then make this Tourney.
TOMAR
Dec. 28, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1972 posts
"That might be the case, but I would rather spend less money traveling in this area and playing 4-5 teams than spending the extra cash with more travel and play the same numbers."

Pricer, that's your quote and I daresay, without hard evidence except for talking to a number of teams nationwide, that this is exactly why there are so many smaller tournaments interspersed with the larger ones. It is probably also why SSUSA has so many 'National' Tournaments-to give teams without a large budget a chance to compete in a National Level Tournament within budgetary reach. Gary19-you can holler all you want about the 'labeling' of such tournaments, but I think it is a great effort by SSUSA to give as many teams as possible a chance to compete in these tournaments, and I don't want to hear anything about profit. I don't care. I don't know how many times over the years I couldn't afford to go to 'Nationals'.This is nice to have the chance.
Dec. 28, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Not a matter of hollering, common sense/intelligence/a sense of government tells you there is only ONE nation in the United States. You know as well as I do the East is a region, as is the West, and every other subsection of the one nation.

Giving something an absurd name does not change what it really is. Something about "a rose by any other name...........". Say what you want, or what SSUSA wants, anyone going to the Eastern Nationals or Western Nationals is NOT going to a National. Just not. No two ways about it. They might be very nice tournaments, just not Nationals.

The same old guys who win the East and think/say they won a National are the same prideless suckers who tell the grandkids about pappy's homer with the "banned for everyone under 50" bats (and probably leave that part out of their story).
Dec. 28, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Webbie, you are correct in your assessment of my statement. But would it not make sense for any association to try and create their tourney schedule to accommodate all the areas? Work them to increase the numbers. Instead of just having tourneys to say we have them? Limit the tourneys by regions and it will increase numbers at each one. JMO
Dec. 28, 2011
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
perhaps senior softballers need to take their senior bats and attack the NHRA--when I was in HS they had several National events every year--and they have expanded from there---
Dec. 28, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Something about two wrongs not making a right.

Dec. 28, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Steve, this is just my opinion(JMO). Do you have a better idea or suggestion?
Dec. 28, 2011
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
Pricer--I see these tournaments being called National as using the name to attempt to attract teams from a wider area--and I see nothing wrong with it--but then I see nothing wrong with the CRs senior bats the mat extra 1st base etc as we all play by the same rules and the same field so all is equal for both teams therefore making the team that hits the best runs bases the best and fields the best the winner--and that all comes down to comraderie and friends so why oh why doe severything have to be explained and/or changed--if someone has a good idea to improve the game then post it but why knock what so far works--another thought on calling them Nationals--the smaller tournament if yo urealize it are held in places without adequate hotel rooms for large numbers of teams but the Nationals are held in places with many more hotels restaurants etc
Dec. 28, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Quite frankly if I were one of the "prideless suckers" who won a National tourney I would be offended by your analogy Gary.
As a matter of fact I still am offended, casting Senior Softball players in that role is a slight to all of us who play, whether its a National tourney or a local qualifier.
You dont know us and never will, you sit back and ridicule us for playing Slo Pitch Softball with current rules that make sense to an aging group. You piss and moan about this aging group using better equipment then the younger group coming up behind us, then admit to using the same equipment. How do you spell hypocrisy?
I for one take exception to pretty much everything you say about us and Senior Softball. Will that matter to you? Very unlikely, since you dont play the same game the rest of us do.


Harry, Reno is a terrific tourney and well worth the price of admission. As well as a good gauge for where a team stands against national competition.
Dec. 28, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
E4, if it was a true "National" they won it would not apply to them. So no offense would be intended, or should be taken.

How does anyone think the East is a nation? Or the West? How many meaningful nationals can one nation have in the same season?

Yes, we are all aging but the mat, second home plate, special bats, run limits, and abuse of the well-intended CR rule have nothing to do with age. How do any of them help the aged?

That hypocrisy claim just holds no weight. The hypocrisy is not in using the bats, but in professing to care about safety while you do. I am fine both using the bats and having the guys 60' in front of me using them too, but I also don't ask for any changes to the game to accommodate them. And I have never whined about a ball being hit anywhere near me. Never.

You guys have to understand just because you are willing to spend a lot of money for a few games against a few teams on a weekend doesn't make you special. Anyone can spend money, not that hard to do.
Dec. 28, 2011
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
Gary19 you can run all around the circle but yo ucannot disclaim that both teams play by the same rules on the same field with the same equipment so in the end the winner plays better defense hits better and runs better--no other explanation needed---
As for the National thing--the winners and no other are invited to the national tournament period what is so hard to understand about that----
Dec. 28, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
Rock'n Reno is a great event. Costly**, but great just the same. Perhaps DD can correct me it wrong, but I believe their have been years where teams from Canada and even Japan & possible others entered a team.
I do not recall age groups or ratings for them but there were there just the same.
**Costly in that Fri and Sat the hotel cost skyrocket as opposed to other days of the week.
A couple parks have wind problems on occasion as most anywhere do, same for the sun. Rain or wet conditions for fields has been rare but was caught in it once.
If condition are good, its well worth** the trip.
**worth= full bracket.

Gary19, I do not feel senior ball players think they are 'special' as you say, Just that they as we all do have opinions and most play under rules we have learned to adjust to. I'm sure you have the same thing where you play.
We all just voice our feeling hoping for results which usually never come about.
On the West v East that I think is simplicity in separation of states,

Like the TOC & some others far too many teams do not or can not participate in them for one reason or another. My view in that is that it's too far out in time for one and cost is the other. Locally here there is a good 70's team trying to add players because they are short for it. I hope they don't go and only play 1 or 2 others,
But then I guess they have a better chance too.
Omar are you reading this? lol
Dec. 28, 2011
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
taits, yes I'm reading this. I agree with your summation of Reno as a location and tournament. I might add that the hotels are EXTREMELY affordable during the week; the scenery is great; there are some very good restaurants (not many "fine dining" but good, even great eats); the museums are worth a trip; and all that said I'm not a gambler. I also agree that the weather can be unpredictable (played in sleet this year!) and that some of the fields are deteriorating. But playing all-weather Golden Eagle against different teams from around the country is a wonderful experience.

And you are absolutely correct about the TOC being limited because of time frame and cost, although one would think a qualified team would budget ahead to attend this tournament. Why the lol?
Dec. 28, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
Omar if you can play the 70's as I think your eligible I would like to go to the TOC contact DEE. Of he and Glenn if you care to also play 65's next year with them...
Might ask about BP practices, usually thy have them now.
Dec. 29, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
Omar, that 2nd "I" in the sentence should have been a "&".
Dec. 29, 2011
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
taits, thanks for thinking of me and the TOC opportunity. You're right that I am eligible to play in 70s although I also play down to the 60s, but most of the fun for me is playing in a tournament with my buds and the times after the games, so I don't travel well just to play for a team. I do it now and then for teams that are short a player in a nearby tournament, but I'm not a guy who is interested in playing more than the 16-18 tourneys a year—got too much going on in my life besides softball! Also hit BP every week with my local league guys...when I can find the time.
Dec. 29, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
Omar, No problem. They need(ed) about 3 so, I mentioned it. All good guys.
where\when do you all practice BP?
Have a Great New Year.
Dec. 30, 2011
neck10
493 posts
did anyone catch the MLB world series I didnt see any teams from mexico,japan,france,but that was the world series right???????????????now let me think a little little leauge world series mexico,carribian,japan,thats a world series,now california,texas,georgia,north dakota what was that one side playes in its own country the other plays everyone the the two winners play just saying nothings perfect just gop with what you have & have fun!!!!!!!!
Dec. 30, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
You probably also didn't catch the Eastern World Series or the Western World Series.
Dec. 31, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3931 posts
utrip runs them,maybe you should lobby on their message board about the name they use.
Dec. 31, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Yes sir, multiple inappropriate names makes a right. (sigh)
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