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Discussion: just wondering

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Feb. 6, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
just wondering
what div is the hardest to win,by this.......not saying who the best are,just want to see what the thought is on the hardest div to win....to me its the AAA div....usually the largest bracket for all ages.....other thoughts.....also not talking about a higher div playing lower...
Feb. 6, 2012
turn2
484 posts
If aaa is the largest division on average I would say aaa. It is harder to win against more teams. You have to play better and can't afford to have any bad games.
I seen in Phoenix in a 25 or so team bracket that many different temas will win if the same tourney is played multiple times.
later
Donnie
Feb. 6, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Bob/Donnie, I agree with you - the more teams in a bracket, the harder it is to win. You can't afford to have a bad game and another team may just get hot for a weekend.
Feb. 7, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
also think AAA has the most sandbagging in it,that also to me makes it harder to win for a regular rated team......
Feb. 7, 2012
grumpy55
Men's 60
102 posts
Maddog you are right about the sandbagging in the AAA division, in my opinion also, as our team has played a couple of those in the 60 division.
Feb. 7, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
One of the few advantages of getting moved up to Major Plus is that no one can accuse you of sandbagging any more!! Of course, some butt whippings could come with that!!
Feb. 8, 2012
turn2
484 posts
Larry,
In the major plus division you find out really quick where your weak spots are. If you don't fix them and get beeter it turns out to be a long year.
You also can't afford to have many bad games. You have to be on top of your game all the time because you can be beat by any team and sometimes badly if you don't perform.
Donnie
Feb. 8, 2012
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
Because the 100+ teams in Northern California are all ranked by the association, there are no tournaments with seeding rounds (we already know relative strengths, regardless of age group) and thus AAA, Major, etc. only loosely apply as all tournaments are round robin and you may play a team five (or ten!) years younger or a team that much older.

But when teams are accurately ranked (more common later in the season), who shows up on a tourney weekend can make a difference. Most teams below Major + level have some weak hitters near the bottom of their lineup, but an added player or two (NCSSA allows adding two non-roster players) can make a difference as can having the entire team show up and only playing the best 10.

What can be frustrating in a round robin format is the tie breaker. One season, my team in three tournaments tied with two other teams, all of us with only one loss. That's when the tiebreaker rules (runs allowed, margin of victory, etc.) come into play. Those three times, we came in third although in each case we were the only team to beat the winner of the tournament!

At SSUSA tournaments, I think Major Plus is not the most difficult because teams know each other so well in a limited pool; Major is tough because a couple of impact players can result in a dominant team; AAA is always difficult because of the larger pool of teams, including usually some unknowns or even sandbagging teams; and AA is notorious for newer teams that should really be rated as AAA. I have played in all levels except Major Plus, and I found AA the most unbalanced and therefore hardest to win (we were never the underrated team!).
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