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Discussion: This Will Chase Players From The Game

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Feb. 29, 2012
FOFO
Men's 50
165 posts
This Will Chase Players From The Game
Not sure if this is fact or fiction, but I was told that as I played 50 Major last year, that if I move up to 55 I will be considered a Major+ player. I sure hope I heard wrong because this would be one of the most idiotic rule SSUSA has come up with and will most certainly eliminate a lot guys opportunity to play the game they love. It will for sure mean the 55 team I play on won't be playing SSUSA this year.
It's total lunacy to think that moving up a division will improve my game that much. Each player should be evaluated on his own ability not the classification of the team he played on last season.
Say it ain't so SSUSA, Say it ain't so............
March 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
I am guessing the thinking is not that your game has improved but rather those around you are not as good, hence you become a better player compared to your new peers. Just my hunch.
March 1, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
fofo,
For one they take the "stats" form the last couple years and use that but also a "persons" history as it were.
I am not clear as to if this is about your self or the team as a whole moving up.
what ever it is I'd say call them and also do it via email so you have a paper trail. Make sue you hear it and can refer back to it should something come up later.

Personally, I think if your playing Majors now (last year) and you move up in age to 55's, I don't see how or the why you would go to M+ unless you have 2 or more M+ players on the roster that have been playing at that level for at least 2 years.
Written documents for all this need to be in the rule book. i do not have a current one and haven't looked at the '11-12 on line version.

SSUSA will know where or what most of the players have played unless it was through other assn's except for SPA.

Teams will now be rated by who they have. So it's all on the mgrs knowing where & who the players have been playing with at what level and for how long.
Should be an interesting year to say the least.

Still the best assn going.
March 1, 2012
Dbax
Men's 60
1243 posts
I am 59 years old and played 50 Major for the last 5 years. Our team was recently re-rated to 50 AAA due to a loss of a lot of players.

So I think I will try and find a 55 team to play on too. I was told I must play 55 Major Plus. This is crazy.
March 1, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1120 posts
Although we normally do not publicly comment on issue-oriented Message Board threads, we are making an exception here to clarify a recent eligibility question raised with our office by one player. That player sought guidance in advance with us on which rating level of team he might be allowed to join based on his own team affiliation history. Here are a summary of the facts, the advice we provided and the basis for our advice to him.

The player is in the 55+ age group for his own eligibility, but has to date no team affiliation history with any age 55+ team(s). His player history over the past two seasons has been solely with a 50-Major team, a team that has been recently re-rated to 50-AAA, but has not yet played in an SSUSA event at that rating. With no frame of reference related to 55+ team affiliation history for that player, the only option at that time was to convert that 50+ history to its 55+ equivalent. In this specific case, that equivalent conversion is 50-Major = 55 Major+ (both have a Rating Index of 8). Accordingly, we were unable to approve his request at that time to be roster added to a 55-AAA team, which carries a R/I of 6. Players may move down only one equivalent R/I.

However, if and when the newly re-rated 50-AAA actually does play in an SSUSA sanctioned event, and assuming their performance justifies the re-rating to 50-AAA, that player's history (and other players on that current roster) will be adjusted to 50-AAA. At that time, he will then be eligible to play on a 55-AAA team (so long as he is one of the three allowable out-of-rating limit for the team.)

NOTE: When an entire team (or at least six members therefrom) matirculates to the next older age group, they carry their current team rating with them to the older group. Accordingly, a blanket statement that a 50-Major player aging up to 55+ will have a team affiliation rating history of 55-Major+ is incorrect. This situation was a very rare and unique set of circumstances. The player did the proper thing to make an advance inquiry, and we encourage any other player who may believe themself to be similarly situated to contact the SSUSA office for a proper determination.

March 1, 2012
paul0784
Men's 60
122 posts
So if my team plays 2012 in the 55 Maj division and next year we want to move to the 60s we have to play 60 Major+? I thought you would move to the same skill set in the next age group until proven otherwise? If we want to maove down to the 50s we could play AAA then? This is not right!
March 1, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1120 posts
No Paul. If your team plays 55-Major this season and moves to 60's next year, you take your rating with you and will play 60-Major. Please re-read the first sentence of the NOTE: in the immediately preceding post, which we believe is quite specific on this.
March 1, 2012
paul0784
Men's 60
122 posts
TY SSUSA
March 1, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
paul-after playing you several times-you can compete at M+----can't you? lol You have a great team. Good luck this year.
March 1, 2012
paul0784
Men's 60
122 posts
I think we can play at Major not sure about M+. Give us a chance to play at Major and we shall see. You have a great year and who knows maybe we will see you somewhere?
March 2, 2012
FOFO
Men's 50
165 posts
The specifiics on my team are as follows:
We have three guys who played 50 Major last year on a team that finished the season 5-44. The team petitioned to be reclassified AAA, but for some reason, unknown to anyone (5-44!!!!) was denied. As a result the team dumped many of the guys and leaving them with no place to play.
We also have one guy who playes 50 Major with a team that didn't win anything all year, the lone highlight being a 3rd in Reno.
The rest of the players are either 55 or 60 AAA.
How this could possibly add up to 55 Major+ is beyond me. If we are stuck with this ranking it means the team won't play, and a lot of guys who want to play won't be able too. I could see ranking us AAA and if we went out there and dominated moving us up, but to start us off in a division above our skill level is ridiculous. Past history tells us that once you get moved up, it's nearly impossible to get moved down(5-44!!!).
March 2, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1120 posts
FOFO - Put together a preliminary roster of your (new?) team and send it to George in Sacramento. He will be able to look at it and advise you of what your team's rating may be and what options might be available to you.
March 5, 2012
FOFO
Men's 50
165 posts
Thanks Staff. I have passed this information along to our Manager and he will get with George.
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