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Discussion: To all the softball purists

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April 11, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
To all the softball purists
Please remove the rotary phones from your homes, your Kodak film is expired, you can remove the tin foil antennas from your 11 channel black and bite television set, movies are now talkies, you don't need to wash your laundry down the river on a wash board, you can take the fish out of your ice cooler, no need to go the bak yard to take a poop.

I'm with the Wood play ball
April 12, 2012
dano911sc
44 posts
Morning wood or piss hard on? On the reservation this is as good as it gets yes foil still works and try using the out house during the day time before bed... there are cellphones due to no phone lines in some areas.


April 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Playing ball is great. But I am still trying to find another level of softball, baseball, or for that matter t-ball where you don't have to record three outs before you get to bat.
April 12, 2012
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
Don't go to T-ball, Gary19. In our area, once a team has batted through its entire lineup, their half of the inning is over, even if no one made an out!
April 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Fine, scratch t-ball. Though at least that gets you probably a dozen or so batters in an inning, not potentially just five.
April 12, 2012
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Not one of the items listed above during their upgrading or reinvention has injured or hit one piss rockets at anyone! Poor attempt at comedy! Also, cell phones have been connected to cancer! You just don't get!!
April 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Nor do most of them cause any other degradations to the quality of life as the bats cause degradation to the quality of the game.
April 12, 2012
dano911sc
44 posts
T-ball where everyones a hitter and kids learn to dance going around the bases doing the Cha Cha... don't do it Gary 19 lol
April 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
dano, that almost sounds like Senior softball. With all the courtesy runners and EHs, many guys barely run the bases or play any defense. Just as long as they get to swing their special bats.

But okay, maybe no Cha Cha. =)
April 12, 2012
dano911sc
44 posts
Pricer, the testing of nukes near reservations caused cancer and that didn't take a 10 year study like the cellphone... all in all your right on!
April 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Yep, not all "progress" is a good thing. It often comes with costs that are not offset by the gains.
April 12, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Does this ring a bell; Carelessness toward others' safety and frequent conflict with authority. Inaccurate and excessive appraisal of self-worth contributing to an extreme sense of entitlement.

Think so.

April 12, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
Pricer and G19 maybe the two of you should do what I did. A number of years ago there were several things that Senior softball did that I took exception to. Instead of pissing and moaning I went to the senior rules convention, did my homework and stated my case to all of the Senior organizations. I had several main objectives, grow the 40 division, bring some additional tournaments to Las Vegas and raise objections to the way players have to receive a release. If you two choose to voice your opinions via the message board I'm sure they are read, but you will continue to abdicate to players like myself and players like Webbie who take the time to show up and pitch our cases.
April 12, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Posting on this softball board does work. They have already got at least 5 seniors on their side.
April 12, 2012
the wood
1071 posts
Joe, you're absolutely correct. Fixing the problem has better results than fixing the blame.
However, this strategy does not work for people that prefer to whine about the symptoms than solve the problem or for people that merely need immediate attention.
Gary19, you were on this board 6 years ago or so when the discussion was aired about the deadline (for 1.2 bats). You weren't old enough to play senior ball at the time but you still had plenty of opinions. You won't recall this but I was one that felt that they ought not to extend them... i.e. we should have gone to USSSA bats or the like. You can look it up.
I haven't changed my mind on this matter but I recognized that I was but one person and the majority rules. I still appreciate the game but mostly the people.
At no time did I feel that the many senior players were less than manly for playing with this equipment. Quite frankly, I believe that it takes a pretty manly guy to play infield or pitch in this climate.
If you want to make a real change you need to come up with cold hard facts that support your argument (such as safety statistics) otherwise it's just the same banter that you've been spewing for as long as you've been on this board. That is, of course, if change is what you REALLY want.
BW
April 12, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Salio2k,
is that supposed to be a valid quorum, 5 or so players? Only kidding.

My feeling is that if your gonna complain don't play.
If the bat\ball combo worries you, don't play.
We all have had to make adjustments along the way. Sure we might not like them but we still do it.
I understand the issues but cope with them, just like the rule changes.
If your going to whine about every one of them why are you even playing. even if you like to hear your self.
April 12, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
976 posts
Hey BW, good points,, the only thing about going to USSSA level is now you are setting up Senior softball to have many dirty bats in the lineup... I played a USSSA open Tourney a month and half ago and I bet there wasn't one team clean all the way through.. As I have stated before I stopped playing with the kids because of the cheating and figured now that I can swing senior bat the cheaters can't get over with beating me with illegal Bats.. I know for a fact a few cheaters in the senior leagues already and know that with the Egos of some they would resort to cheating to gain an advantage.. it's sad but true.. The Senior bat levels the playing field for those that choose not cheat!
April 12, 2012
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
That's not whining, that's fact. This board would dry up without good hearty debates. I love hitting with the Miken. I'm hitting the ball harder than I ever have and I'm hitting homeruns 350' plus. Looking forward to running into a few of you this summer. Have a good one!
April 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
wood, I appreciate what you are saying. The problem is not everything is quantifiable. Some things you just know when you see them. How do you quantify a beautiful woman? You just know one when you seen one. The same was famously said years ago about pornography.

Point is how do you quantify or substantiate how inherently wrong it is to play games where you do not have to record three outs to go in and bat? It is counter to everything every form of this sport is or has ever been (okay, with the exception of t-ball =))

The beauty of baseball, and its offspring softball, is that it is the only game without a clock. Yet this game now has one. How do you substantiate how inherently wrong that is?

Again, some things you just know when you see them.
April 12, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
How can you not want to play with a clock? Players do not want to show up at 5:00 for a 6:00 game and be told that we are running behind and your game probably won't start until 9:30 because there were a few of long games today. The tournament director has to have a time limit in order to hold a tournament.

The 5,7, or 9 runs per inning helps to get more innings in a timed game.
April 12, 2012
Mango
Men's 50
80 posts
Food for thought-Some Baseball History-
In 1875 Charles Waite of the St. Louis Brown Stockings became the first fielder to wear a fingerless glove. Unfortunately for him, he was the subject of intense ridicule by not only the opposing players and fans, but by his own teammates as well. Obviously, the timing was not right for the widespread acceptance of baseball gloves. It would take a few more years, along with a significant rule change, before the use of gloves became accepted.
April 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
salio,

So in the 60s and 70s you kept going up to the ballpark saying "damn, I wish there was a clock to artifically end games early"? I am guessing not. But I suppose I could be wrong. And why didn't TDs need time limits back then?

How often did 3-4 hour delays happen to you back then?
April 13, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Sorry, I cannot speak for the 60's and 70's. I was playing fast-pitch then. The quality of your pitcher determined the team rank. In the higher rankings, there were no long games. The pitching was too good, therefore the scores were low.
April 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Fast-pitch is an entirely different animal.
April 13, 2012
dano911sc
44 posts
It Is What It Is! Play ball and stop the whining or don't play it's that simple. What is next the quality of Roids and who is using them... not me just big bones lol


April 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
It's a good thing you weren't in charge before women got to vote, or blacks got to ride in the front of the bus. After all, those were what they were.
April 13, 2012
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
G19 I would highly recommend that you do your research, put together a comprehensive package for SSUSA to add to their year end agenda, make arrangements with the brass to attend the meeting (which I believe is in Mesquite Nevada at the end of the year), make sure they know you are attending so they can get your items up to vote. When I went they gave me all the time I needed, both in front of the large assembled senior organizations as well as individual time with the heads of the organizations. It's hard work and time consuming though you need to be forewarned. You can't just show up and say here I am change everything. If you can't beat them join them. Without the effort your crusade is sure to fall on deaf ears.
April 13, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Lecak, I understand what you are saying. But here is what I posted on one the threads last night:

"wood, I appreciate what you are saying. The problem is not everything is quantifiable. Some things you just know when you see them. How do you quantify a beautiful woman? You just know one when you seen one. The same was famously said years ago about pornography.

Point is how do you quantify or substantiate how inherently wrong it is to play games where you do not have to record three outs to go in and bat? It is counter to everything every form of this sport is or has ever been (okay, with the exception of t-ball =))"

Some things just don't lend themselves to statistical research, you just seem to know it when you see it. Or you don't, I guess.
April 15, 2012
dano911sc
44 posts
Gary19, wow what a deep thought a Native American Indian
as President? And the people said that Obama would never become President... I guess I couldn't have done any worse.
April 15, 2012
donll
55 posts
Gary 19,
I read a post above in this discussion and it mentioned the first player to wear a finger-less glove and all the "Purists" were outraged and the thought of using "technology" would ruin the game. Can you imagine the game of baseball without gloves or football without helmets today. One of many rule changes in basketball - the 3 point shot. I can't imagine the game today without it.
At what point in time would you have liked the game of baseball, football, basketball, softball to have been frozen?
April 15, 2012
garyheifner
334 posts
A 6th grader playing organized little league was just killed by a batted bat this past week in the Chicago area. The bat was aluminum. Therefore aluminum bats should be banned in all levels of ball. Softball, baseball etc. Composites are too hot and thus should be banned in all levels and kinds of ball. That leaves wood. There have been incidents of bat fragments striking hitting cutting and injuring defenders. I have seen 2 major leagues take hard ground balls off the face/head area this year and 2 pitchers take hard grounders of the ankle area. Obviously, if the big leaguers can't react to hard hit grounders, wood bats are too hot and should be banned. Therefore, the games of softball and baseball should be abolished at all levels of competition.

One very important point was touched on above. This site and game is for tournament players. If you don't like the rules, don't play. The opinions and thoughts of those who don't play are irrelevant like most of Obamas speeches.
April 15, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
"This site and game is for tournament players"

Gary, can you please show us which site by-law covers this?
April 15, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Doubt you could find your quote, but maybe it was part of the "Silent Majority" phrase that was used sometime back...
Site is an open forum but have something worth reading is much more meaningful.
April 15, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Easy to find, Scott. Gary Heifner said it a couple of posts up.
April 15, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Sorry, but that is not a site BY-LAW. If it were it would be a passage from SSUSA rules or web site issues. There are only four of those I know of and that was not one of them.
April 15, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Sorry, but that is not a site BY-LAW. If it were it would be a passage from SSUSA rules or web site issues. There are only four of those I know of and that was not one of them.
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