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June 3, 2012
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
612 posts
Discussion with rightrj1
rightrj1, I am starting this because I am not going to a long thread that gives someone a thrill as it gets longer and more off track. Hopefully this one will not go down the same path.

While in seniors I have heard very little trash talk, it does seem to happen more in the upper divisions in my experience. Of course there is always someone who never gave it up. I am a yacker, but I have a few expressions that get some players in relation to where they hit. I never talk bad about anyone, but the "noise" does bother some competitors. I have had a couple of guys tell me that it caused them to change their swing when we got an out.

There is a context though with trash talking in softball. The BASA is here this weekend and have been here for about 15 years. They play like Utrip which is very different than the softball most of us know and tends to be a little more aggressive. BASA has an additional rule that allows them to talk all the trash that they want as long as they do not touch each other. It is fun to watch and listen to though. The umpires just stand and listen to it. I will not try to duplicate everything that I have heard, but let's just say that it is entertaining to listen to the batters and pitchers during an at bat, but it is part of their game.

You are more than welcome to contact me if you want anything or more discussion on this.
June 3, 2012
GSWP001
Men's 60
74 posts
Nancy Allen, I think that trash talking is just that. It is demeaning to another player. What I witness most of the time is repartee'. An on going good natured discourse. This I have no problem with and think that most people wouldn't either. I'm sure that there are people out there that cannot tell the difference and that's their loss. Fortunately they are far and few. The majority of players I have met are decent , sportsmanship oriented players.
June 4, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Hi Nancy,
I’m very familiar with BASA. I’ve been playing in that association for well over 25 years.
They do tend to understand the gamesmanship I have been speaking about…It’s very entertaining to watch and hear……Maybe the correct phrase should-not be TRASH TALKING” I never understood why some folks get upset when they hear something that may take them out of their game, but it is what it is!…Just from the responses on this topic, we’re beating a dead horse! Most of the guys who say it has no place in Senior Softball have no problem TRASH TALKING to umpires. I think GSWP001 said it best it’s “An on going good natured discourse” and those that have never done it will NEVER EVER understand the good nature it brings to the game…..Ok I’m done on the subject…Guys please don’t beat me up too bad….lol
June 4, 2012
Olden Slow
Men's 65
175 posts
Personally I don't give a rats ass either way..My thoughta are always "You got the talking part down...Back it up " If they do...Good for them..If they don't..It wouldn't shut them up anyway..
June 4, 2012
stick8
1295 posts
rightrj it's interesting you mention how some trash talk umpires but say they don't care for trash talking. Seems a bit hypocritical to me? I've umpired some ssusa events and have gotten guff from some players. It doesn't bother me personally nor does it bother me if someone does it to me when I'm playing. If I let it bother me then I have to call into question my concentration abilities.
BTW, I played BASA for nearly 10 years. Prime Time, Showtime and Pony Express were who I played for. What a blast that was!! Good times and great competitive games with great players, especially the shortstop from that Supreme team out of St Louis. He might be the most spectacular shortstop I've ever seen
June 4, 2012
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
612 posts
rightrj1, see now that makes perfect sense. Anyone who has never seen BASA cannot understand how entertaining it is to watch. I do not think that I could play it.

I do not condone trash talk, but it is part of BASA, and I challenge you to go watch some if you never have.
June 4, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
rightrj, they are also the same guys who have no trouble trash talking on here. Ironic, isn't it?
June 5, 2012
neck10
498 posts
I dont see any trash talking inthe 55 major division
June 6, 2012
neck10
498 posts
stick we were playing in lansing last year close play at first umpire(bobby stewart) called the runner out as the runner was walking back to dugout told umpire that was a bad call but then said to ump you probably never played any ball did you I couldnt resist I said not at your level funny thing is I think he thought i was giving him a complement ,he didnt have a clue that bobby stu has played everywhere 7 has been all world at all thos places I remember when he played for Little ceasares the pro team
June 6, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
442 posts
I have quietly told umps when I think they made a bad call and I tell them why I think they got it wrong which is usually because they were too fast
to make the call. Many bad calls are made at second because the ump calls it anticipates the non-sliding runner won't slow up. After the game I always thank the umps because I know it is a thankless job. I don't consider my behavior trash
talking the ump.
June 6, 2012
stick8
1295 posts
Neck i had a similar experience one time umping with Stewie. This was a rec league, I was behind the plate and he was on the bases. It was a bang bang play at first and he had the guy out. The guy didn't like the call and he said word for word "I understand, you just don't play or understand this game like we do. It's ok, really" It took monumental proportions for me not to fall down laughing but Stewie was calm and cool--like he usually is. After the game the guy was cool & came over and apologized. Stewie told him "No big deal I play a little myself so I understand"
HJ, I wouldn't consider that trash talking either. The ump makes a call you disagree and state why. And then the game goes on.
June 7, 2012
neck10
498 posts
I try to keep every one calm after a bad call when one of my guys hits a ball to 2nd or short with a guy on first the play is close at first if my guy gets up set I try to remind them the ump didnt hit that week sh---- in the infield he did
June 7, 2012
Olden Slow
Men's 65
175 posts
I'll ask the Ump " If I argue will you change your mind..They laugh and say NO..I tell them thanks and have a good game "
June 7, 2012
neck10
498 posts
yea I know what you mean Ive ump before missed a call bad at first one time they wanted to know if they could appeal I said sure so I walked up to home plate ump & said I think I missed that one bail me out so he called the guy safe so the other team ask home plate ump if they could appeal to me ha
June 7, 2012
stick8
1295 posts
Olden Slow that's pretty good! Apologies in advance for indecent language here but the best one I ever heard directed at me was "hey ump I'm going to tell your wife that your screwing us instead of screwing her" Had to give that guy props for that one.
June 7, 2012
Olden Slow
Men's 65
175 posts
I play hard but at the same time have fun..I always appologize to my first baseman prior to the game when they put me at 3rd base..I can pick it...just not that accurate when I shoot it..AND I ALWAYS..ALWAYS TELL THE UMP THANKS..GOOD GAME in spite of any questionable calls he might make..
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