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Discussion: Gary19: Moving post off screen thread.

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June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Gary19: Moving post off screen thread.
Loaded issue as far as LEVEL field is concerned. DEFINE LEVEL.
Mine is pretty mush as it is:
Given: everyone at any specific event plays under the same rules, uses the same ball, has opportunity to buy & use any bat allowed for that assn. Ratings & brackets are the only real issues.

I think that is as level a field as it gets.

If any of it changes, so will I.

June 4, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Scott,

Level is:

Both teams have access to the same equipment.
Both teams have the opportunity to work hard and improve their skills and abilities.

Looks like we are pretty much on the same page. If all teams have these, then there should be few if any classifications, as all teams have the same opportunity to work hard and improve.
June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
I think "classification" area come under age and ratings.
Varies there with the mixes you find on occasion at events. Otherwise as close as it will ever get.
But pitting teams at say the AA level against major or even 3A even if same age division is not level.
I do think the new way they place teams, by taking into account players history with other teams can help 'level' it out.
Sure is not perfect from what I saw this week but maybe year reviews of teams will change things again.

Best going I know of.

June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
BTW, Age and ratings are and should be dealt with separately.
June 4, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Agreed. You can't do much about your age, but can work to improve your skills, physical fitness, and your rating. Everyone has a ceiling, and not all ceilings are created equal, but that is just how it is.
June 4, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
well with your thoughts,there should be no little league champs,high school,college,they all should play against the MLB b/c they all put their clothes on the same way,can do more work to improve and so forth....why do we have all these restrictions with age and rating they all should be lumped into together..........
June 4, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
AS I SAID, you can't do much about your age. So of course you get allowances for what you cannot control. You can control how hard you work, and if due to many reasons you just don't wind up as good as others that is life. No one promised me we would all be equal, or would all be entitled to winning.

pup, what are you struggling to comprehend?
June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
How about we all just live with what we are dealt. After all this is a fact of life.
Trying to improve is great. But not always possible. Just like trying to stay healthy.
I played with a torn right hamstring.
June 4, 2012
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Seriuosly, what was wrong with the wood & metal bats? What about the old cork center strung wound balls for that matter? The bats changed from wood to metal because they would last longer in the long run even though the price was increased. Can we say the same regarding the change from metal to composites?
June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Pricer,
Nothing, both are legal, but would you use either in a tournament now?
DeBeer SB12LND good for about 6 well hit balls, still have a few in my storage, along with Super dots.
Wood broke
Alloy dented bent etc
Comps break
All become worthless with that. But we buy another.
June 4, 2012
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
I quess what I was indicating, what was wrong with the game that someone felt it had to evolve to what we have today. Do you think the alloy dented faster than the composites break? Doesn't anyone else think that the game would be as much fun with the older equipment as it is with the new?
June 4, 2012
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
I would go back to the 1997 Demarini Double Wall 26oz and the 47/525 ball. More balls went out of the park than with todays limited flight balls and semi live bats of today 2012.
OH, and the people who always bitch about progress got the demarini double wall bats banned for a while.
Wonder if the bitchers today are the same ones as in 1997?
June 4, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
For that matter, let's wonder if the same get-rich-quick guys who insist on the special bats today are the ones who ran out to buy doublewalls in 1997.
June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Pricer,
Demo, did for me
Over all If say about same, because of ball differences then & now.
I can deal with as it was or as it is now. I think all who are playing now, can also.
June 4, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
g19,i have no prol comprehending anything,but it seems you do,as we play this game and like it,you don't ,but want to whine and complain about the rules we use,what is it about

"WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS GAME".JUST PARTICIPATE INSTEAD OF JUST STANDING ON THE SIDE LINE BITCHING ABOUT OUR GAME....



also you say,all we have to do is work hard at the game and we can be as good as anyone....then why aren't you playing with a mlb team or even a senior softball team,guess your to lazy to do the work.......
June 4, 2012
neck10
476 posts
just play ball if you dont like the game go back to hockey & try to get wooden sticks back & maybe no mask for the goalie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
crusher,
Really like the Classic back then with those balls. A few EST bats also.
Anderson made the Demo, back then I think Worth or Wilson does them now or did at least.

Which Combat Centenarian are you using the FL or the Bal?
In reading reviews there is a gap in ratings.
June 4, 2012
neck10
476 posts
gary I guess if you have the same bats & balls you can hit with steve imly & pricer can hit with bobby davis?????????
June 4, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Gary,
I think your in a constant time warp. Move on, it won't change because of you.
Only regardless of you.
June 4, 2012
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
tait, I have the 30oz balanced Centenarian. It seems to be great for me.
We have a UII 27oz balanced team bat, it will not hit as far or fast as my 30oz. Now, that is probably my problem as it feels like a 22 or 23 oz bat. I just cannot get a good solid hit with it.
I will blame Mad Dog if it goes bad I ask him if the bat was good. LOL
James
June 4, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
pup, you might want to start caring about what potentially-interested, non-customers think if you want to increase the typical 3 and 4 team brackets.

This is what I really said above:
"You can control how hard you work, and if due to many reasons you just don't wind up as good as others that is life."

NOT "also you say,all we have to do is work hard at the game and we can be as good as anyone"



June 4, 2012
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Neck, stop being a keyboard tough guy. You can't even make a good sandwich! As far as the hockey, playing year around is starting to look better every year!Say high to everyone back in TC!
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