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Discussion: Texas State Championship

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June 6, 2012
Capt Kirk
400 posts
Texas State Championship
Dave, are the championship bracket dates correct for the 60's AAA, you are calling out Saturday and Sunday?
Capt
June 6, 2012
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1040 posts
Nice catch ... Fixed for FRIDAY and SATURDAY ... Too rushed after 12 days Reno! ... Thanks!
June 7, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
And, now with the cancellation of today's games for the 65s and 70s, it'll be a serious mess! We (60s) are scheduled for 8 and 9:30 in the morning so we're headed down to Dallas (from OKC) not yet knowing if we will be pushed back or not. So be it...
June 7, 2012
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1040 posts
[REPRINT]

RAIN-OUT RESCHEDULING Due to the rain-out caused loss of the Thursday schedule, the following changes were made to the Texas State Championships game and bracket schedules:

GAME FORMAT - Friday (ONLY) games will begin at 1:00 PM. All games will be five innings, with the 5th inning the open inning. The games are scheduled on a 1:15 time slot basis.

MEN'S 65+ - Seeding games have been eliminated. The Men's 65-Major will play their Best 2 of 3 Championship series on Friday afternoon/evening beginning at 4:45 PM. The Men's 65-AAA will play their Double Elimination bracket sequentially (entirely on Field #7) beginning at 1:00 PM. There is a half-hour team/rest break built in before the Championship game.

MEN'S 70+ - The Men's 70+ will play one warmup game at 1:00 PM on Fields #5-6 prior to the respective Best 2 of 3 Championship Series for the 70-AAA and 70-AA titles. This is a change from the former 4-team double elimination bracket format.

MEN'S 60+ - The Men's 60+ Division will commence their Seeding games at 1:00 PM rather than 8:00 AM. The match-ups are unchanged, but field assignments have changed to allow for all of those games to occur in the main quad. Bracket play will commence at 5:15 PM with the same number of bracket games being played as previously published. Field assignments for some of those games have changed.

ALL OF THESE CHANGES ARE ONLINE NOW, WITH AN EFFECTIVE REVISION DATE OF 06/07/2012. The Saturday and Sunday schedules remain unchanged as of this posting (12:15 PM PDT).

Thank you for your cooperation and good luck to all!
June 8, 2012
armiho211
Men's 70
407 posts
compliments to the SSUSA STAFF, for making the best out a bad situation. it will not be a perfect solution, but at least the teams will get some games in. HOPING THE RAINS STOP THE REST OF THE WEEKEND. GOOD LUCK TO ALL.
June 9, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Our team, Texas Makules, got to the fields at 11AM to take BP for what was supposed to be our 1PM game versus the San Antonio Silver Streaks only to hear in the parking lot that we were pushed back to 3:30PM. Our coach showed up with the equipment about 11:30 - he had not been called to advise of the time change. So we sat around for a few hours while some teams did start play at 1PM - our scheduled time slot.

THEN, when we did get to play, the teams we were scheduled to play against changed. We did play Team 454 - the only team on our original schedule. Then we played the Texas Thunder. Both games were on Field 1. Then, we got sent to "the back 40" (field 7) to play what was obstensibly our 3rd seeding game. Instead, we were told that the AAA team we were scheduled to play (don't know who at this point) DID NOT WANT TO PLAY US. Not only that but the AAA team scheduled to play the other Major team - Memphis Invest/Edge DID NOT WANT TO PLAY THEM either. So, the TD had us play each other! This, in spite of the fact that we are ALREADY scheduled to play them in a best 2 of 3 today! Sheer idiocy! We wound up playing a meaningless game and our leadoff hitter gets hurt and is now out for a while!

I am sick and tired of teams telling the TDs who they will and will not play in the seeding games. Over the last couple of years teams have just forfeited rather than play us. I don't think it's we are that good, it seems to me the lower rated teams are so afraid of BEATING a higher rated team and getting moved up (heaven forbid). This also happens in the SPA.

Sorry for the rant but this just gnaws at me that teams would pay money to play in these qualifiers and, instead of looking at an opportunity to play a higher rated team as a good thing, seek to duck such a game and screw a team out of a "guaranteed" game.
June 9, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
larry,we were supposed to play at 8 am,thankfully we got the news we were pushed back to 1 pm,hey no prol,but we get there and then it is 330pm,well we finally got to play at 5pm or so and didn't get to finally leave till midnight(and get back to our rooms by 1 am)and there was one other game still to be played,and now start back up this morn at 930 am,at least we don't have to play at 8 am like some of the teams that were out there till midnight......
June 9, 2012
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
I've been on a AAA team, and sometimes a Major team, that was scheduled to play a Major Plus in the seeding round. Even with 5 runs given us, it never was a fair fight. We always got beat soundly (top to bottom in the lineup, Major Plus teams are hitters!), but our gripe was that it affected our seeding, as SSUSA told us it didn't matter that we lost to a Major Plus team, even if we lost respectably, it was still a loss and cost us a chance at top seed (often one less game and a preferable time slot the next day).

But we never thought that we might get moved up if we beat them! Little chance of that. We actually looked forward to measuring ourselves against an elite team. Just didn't like the negative consequences on seeding decisions. I sympathize with DoubleL10's disgust when teams drop out of playing teams in a seeding round for fear of getting reranked.
June 9, 2012
turn2
484 posts
Larry,
That is what happens when you beat all of these teams. Maybe you need to put in the subs against some of these teams.
Did any of these guys ever play years ago? If so, what happen? If you were scared years ago you stayed home becvause everyone played each other.
Some of the lower level teams what to beat up on their own class but most do NOT want to step up even in practice games and play better teams?
If they are that scared why don't they stay home.
We (Turn Two)have had to drop down and play younger major plus teams and we took our whipping and moved on. We did win some and it felt good.
Good luck,
Donnie
June 10, 2012
J R
181 posts
I have been on both ends of that stick managing aa,aaa, and major.Major teams playing down should be home team so as not to show up the lesser team with a big open inning. That could destroy a teams run differental.Plus a butt whipping in the pool games could change teams attitude for the rest of the tournament. The major teams pay tournament fees just like everyone else ,and should be able to play all games. I beleive a forfeit is 11 to zero score posted.So the team that gives up benefits from the lopsided score in team ratings.
June 10, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1128 posts
The score of a forfeit game (in SSUSA) is 7-0. We exclude all forfeited games in our team scoring database. We also assume (true 95% or more of the time) the lesser rated, or older, team accepted the 5-run, rather than the 11-defensive-player, equalizer when analyzing the scoring data in each teams rating review cycle.
June 10, 2012
LP
276 posts
the dallas tournament had to do what had to be done to get the games in because of rain, but there no field maintenance after the games started on friday even though there was alot of time between games and on sat. morning on field 7 still no maintenence from the day before so a poor job on that end. the 65's i know had there pool games taken away yet the 55's had a 7 team round robin instead of double elimination bracket. guess you have to short change the old guys to make the others happy. we had a good time there, we just played bad.
June 10, 2012
LP
276 posts
there is a reason why there is major and AAA ratings myself seeding games dont mean much and we will play a major team in seeding games(we are AAA) but here in texas they put the major team in with AAA teams and thats where i get pissed if there no major teams to play one another then dont have the division we dont just like to contribute our money. you dont put a major team in with a AAA team in the same division but they will texas. happened last year hope it doesnt happen again.
June 10, 2012
LP
276 posts
I want to thank my players from the Texas Pickups 60 AAA for playing in Dallas this weekend and putting with all the delays, we didnt play well enough to win but we gave it a shot. good tourney mad dog
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