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Discussion: Did they win or did we lose?

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July 12, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
Did they win or did we lose?
Stick8 had an interesting idea in another thread-debating whether we won or lost the game we should have won, or whether they won or lost a game they should have won. I know we have had many debates in the parking lot over a few cold ones over why we won or lost.That will continue for as long as the game is played. Do we accept our mistakes that cost the game or cost us a chance to put the game away early and we lost momentum and the game? Or do we blame something else-the umpires, the field, the weather, the sun, karma, voodoo, Obamacare, or something else?
July 12, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
You win by making more positive plays, and/or less negative plays, than your opponent. Winners deserve credit for both of those.
July 12, 2012
boston
296 posts
Players tend to look at 1 or 2 plays, even umpire calls to distinquish/justify a lose. The reality is you have to take the whole game into context. It is usually several routine plays that cost a teaam. I hat it when guys say that play cost us or that call or if you had gotten that hit. From my experiences in sports as a player and coach in a variety of sports. Is if you make the routine plays on defense you will win. The great plays are nice but the routine ones have to be made.
July 12, 2012
Olden Slow
Men's 65
169 posts
I personally don't dwell on the reasons..Just move on to the next game and go again..Rinse and repeat..There are always reasons but I just figure the best team won that day..
July 12, 2012
softball4b
Men's 60
706 posts
If our team (insert name here) plays its best and the score is not in our favor then we got beat. If we played less than our best, then we beat ourselves.

One of my teammates once said, a team will always have 2 ugly games in a tournament, if you win those, you will probably win the the tourney.

I will break it down even further. In every game, there is a point where you either leave the opposition behind or you leave them in the game. Whatever occurs usually will determine the outcome of the game.
July 15, 2012
CurtfromKY
35 posts
I tend not to respond to most posts but I think this is a very good topic. Having played with many young players and watching their attitudes and hearing the excuses, I try to encourage them as well as bring out the strong points. Very seldom in any game does a team play flawless ball on either side(offense or defense). But I feel that defense is probably more important than offense but that only applies if the arrogance is in check. Most young players think that is what they are needed for--their bats. If a team makes all the plays though, knows when to hit the cut-off, allows no ex bases then the only way to be beat is perfect hitting--and we NEVER bat 1000!!! Excuses?? LOL not that game....But we don't live in that fairyland now do we?? Might be something to strive for.
July 15, 2012
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
"We lost that one because we just didn't hit." Yep, that can be true, but not when the result was that you didn't hit like the once-a-year thrill when you put up 20 runs in the top of the 7th. Not hitting has to be in perspective: what do you usually hit like? Did you expect John to go 4 for 4 in critical at bats when he normally does well to hit .600? Did you expect Bill to hit one to or over the fence when he only does that a few times a season?

I agree with CurtfromKY that it is often defense that makes the difference. What you can control (if you stay focused and don't panic) is doing the right thing on defense—hitting the cutoff, getting the double play and letting a runner score when well ahead, playing a guy's tendency after he's pulled it three times in a row, etc. What is more difficult to control is wind, battling a groin pull, sun, the Texas leaguer, and other variable factors. What is easiest to control is batting, but as Curt points out, no team bats 1.000...or even close to it.

When you do everything right and still get whacked by a good defensive team hitting out of its mind, then you were beat!
July 15, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
976 posts
Well, the way I look at a game is, you try to make the least amount of mistakes.. That is why, when someone with 0 or 1 out has a guy on third and drives the ball to the outfield in anyway and scores that run, I am counting that Sac in my book...No need to penalize the hitter for driving in a run, ever! I have seen enough times that a run not scoring, and then looking for that run at the end of the game, or wishing that a run was on the board in a tie game... I add up all the plays on defense and check where we could of held a team from scoring.. I also think of those runs at 3bs that we didn't drive in with 0 or 1 out. At the end of the day if you play good defence and hit smart and effectively you have a great chance to succeed and if you hit and played great D and lose, you just got beat by a better team that day. IMO
July 15, 2012
dano911sc
44 posts
The Problem, in a Nutshell, is...
The mental game is vitally important ( it largely determines softball as agony vs. softball as fun ), but shortages on expertise, time and money keep most players from using the many proven strategies for improving the mental game.

" I'm no psychologist, I don't know enough to be messing with your minds".

Coach, Dano lol
July 16, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
In a lot of games you can point to a 'momentum changing play'-which could be a great play or double play defensively, or a clutch hit, or even an umpires call that can turn a game on a dime. I'm sure we have learned to 'feel' it when it happens, and I believe it is the good teams that do not let it mentally affect them that can regain that momentum, or, if on the other side, can build that momentum to come back and win when it looks bad.
July 16, 2012
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
Momentum change can be felt when a rally is snuffed out by a smooth double play (we had a rally crushed last year by a triple play!), or a fantastic catch against the fence. But with 5 run per inning limitation, it is hard to build offensive momentum as in the past unless it is in the open inning.
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