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Discussion: Players need to rate tournaments....

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July 9, 2006
CAT
148 posts
Players need to rate tournaments....
I think that it is high time that we traveling players need to start rating the tournaments that we participate and get involved. Suggestion: either thurmbs up or down or a 1-5 star rating. Tournament fees are too expensive to just settle for champs of nothing; and that has happened before. We need to rate: organizations; community of tourn.; tourn. dir.; field conditions; grounds crew; umpires; etc. For ex: Midwest Nationals; Organization - SSUSA 4 star; fields - 4 star; grounds crew - 5 star; umpires; 3+ stars; community - 4 stars... wound recommend? - yes. Now for the NSA worlds, I would give a 1/2 star. They are totally unorganized on this one. I wouldn/t waste the money. We decided to back out and spend our hard earned money somewhere more returning on the investment. Recommend - NO!
July 9, 2006
bucky
Men's 50
13 posts
CAT:

I agree with your idea, and the Midwest overall was great.Your thought process seems slanted against the NSA. I have been to many of there events and totaly disagree with your statement (as many others might also). Could it be that after this last weekend, you and your team are just a little sour on playing right now. I saw how you acted towards your team and others as your team went out in 2 and could not even field a team (had 8) in the round robin. Since your team has not did well this season, you have pulled from the NSA because your players are tried of you (the way you act) and getting beat all the time. If you can not field a team, maybe the real problem is the manager. Players are human and wish to be treated as such, and the quickest way for a player to rebell, is to not show up for what ever reason. I think that you should look within and stop pointing fingers at everything around you.

Bill Bilbery (BUCKY)
Lima, Ohio
July 9, 2006
bucky
Men's 50
13 posts
OH.....I forgot....You are...Larry Alvara Great Lakes Fusion/MIKEN Columbus, Ohio....dba: CAT, LA and many others. I thought that I would list who you are for you. You have not did this in the past....For good reason.
July 9, 2006
CAT
148 posts
Actually, our trip to the NSA last year was quite enjoyable. Anyone that has had any grasp on senior softball regarding the expenses realizes that with an expenditure of approx. $2500/tourn., the tourn. should be a well run tourn. Appears that by moving to S.C. this year, they do not quite have a full grasp on the senior element of softball. Bucky, I know you quite well, and I wish you the best, no matter what team that you play with. I try to stress good friendships and Christian fellowhips. Any egoes and conceitedness always seem to have to fall to the wayside in which I might say was your bitterness with me. Have a safe and successful season...
July 9, 2006
bucky
Men's 50
13 posts
CAT:

You don't know me. We have never meet. The only time we have ever spoke was on this board, when I was looking for a team some time ago, after my move from Oregon. It's so sad that there are so many people out there that disaprove of your actions, that you can not keep track of all of them. The NSA desisson to move this event was their choice, and for you to judge this future event is just wrong, and your stated motives are still suspect.I hope that it is a great event, despite your glowing review of the future. As far as Christian Fellowship etc.....Some people find that this is the great equaliser in a public conversation. Those are very good words, but they are only words when not backed up by ones actions on and off the field. Good Luck to you too.

PS. The next time that I am at an event, that I see your team is in, I will introduce myself, if I see you showing normal or better behavior.
July 10, 2006
Dbax
Men's 60
1264 posts
Holy crap Bucky! The guy was just suggesting to start rating tournaments which I think is a good idea. It does cost alot to travel. Why go ballistic on him?
July 10, 2006
OREO
Men's 60
88 posts
LET'S CHILL ON THE PERSONALITY ISSUES AND
EVERYONE PUSH FOR TOURNAMENT RATINGS
"SYSTEM". I KNOW THEY ALL WELCOME
COMMENTS, BUT SHOULD HAND OUT SURVEY
TO BE COMPLETED BY MANAGER & POSSIBLY
3-5 PLAYERS PER TEAM. WOULD PROBABLY BRING
UP A LOT OF NONSENSE BUT >SOME< GOOD
COULD COME OF IT.
July 10, 2006
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
They survey is a great idea and at the same time they could have the managers rate the teams in the tournament for what classification they believe they should be. This would “assist” the association heads in getting the teams rated correctly. More participation from the people that count, the players, will get it done.
July 10, 2006
JOHN BOB
Men's 60
76 posts
I would rate the Midwest Nationals this past weekend a 41/2 the only problem was we had one nite game & lights were real bad on the field we played on.I belive it was field 2 on the back complex,lights seem good on main complex,overall real good tournaments hope for more teams next year.Speaking of NSA how many 55 AAA teams out there are going to world in Rock Hill SC July 27-30?
July 11, 2006
RedEye
Men's 55
92 posts
JohnBob, I think the Silver Dawgs from Akron/Pitts are schduled to be there.
How did you guys do in Champainge?
July 11, 2006
RedEye
Men's 55
92 posts
Hey, bucky.......... Are you aka MDF?
How did your team do in Champaign?
July 11, 2006
bucky
Men's 50
13 posts
REDEYE:

I'm not sure how to take that MDF? I will assume that is not short for something BAD. No, I was in Chicago seeing some friends, and drove over with them on Sat and Sun to watch the games. I am in the process of moving there in August. Just had ACL surgery in June and am done for this year. Have to stop playing with the kids.Hope to play next year for a Chicago team that my friends play for. Good luck to you.

Bill Bilbrey (BUCKY)
July 12, 2006
RedEye
Men's 55
92 posts
bucky: Nothing meant by MDF, don't even know what it stands for.
There was a MDF post last june & he had moved from Oregon to Ohio. You had moved from Oregon to Ohio right?
I just thought maybe you where the same, since both of you where from Oregon & moved to Ohio. That's all. NBD.

I can relate to being on the DL myself. I tore the legiments off my ankle bone over 10 weeks ago & am just starting rehab. 5 weeks on cruches, 5 days in the hospital with a Blood Clot, 5weeks in a walking boot cast. I haven't even swug a bat all year & is the first time since I was 16 that I haven't played or Umpired in the summer.

Hope you recover well & Good Luck up in Chicago, maybe we will cross paths on a Softball Diamond next year.
Aug. 11, 2006
tcadmw1
Men's 55
62 posts
I have posted tournament ratings at the following link:
http://p066.ezboard.com/ffloridahalfcenturysoftballmessageboardfrm18
Aug. 11, 2006
tcadmw1
Men's 55
62 posts
PS - To cast your rating or to view ratings or to add your comments copy and past the link in your web browser.

Mike
Aug. 16, 2006
BigLou
26 posts
I agree with CAT that the tournaments should be rated. There is a lot of money going into someones' pocket. I just started playing senior softball two years ago. I can't believe how expensive the tournamnets are compared to regular/competitive softball. Where does all the money go? We won a tournament last weekend with 6 teams in it and we didn't get anything. No all tourneys, No sponsors trophy. No individual awards. I think we got a $75 gift certificate for the team. Its not that I need another t-shirt or trophy/bat bag etc. Its just where does the money go? If they're not going to give anything out shouldn't they charge less? Senior softball charges more than regular tournamnets and their costs are obviously less. Where does the money go? Anybody know?
Maurice (the gangster of love)
Aug. 16, 2006
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
Hi BigLou, what tourney was that? you attended? I want to make sure we never get in it, Thanks, Rabbit

ps-I thought the SPA National tourney was a 4 star, should be cheaper to enter,probably the last year in Plano, I would suspect and SSUSA Midwest Championships in Champaign,ILL was a 4 star also,the umpiring was not as good as it was in Plano,
I can not say that for all the qualifiers thou, you never know what you are getting there.
Aug. 17, 2006
stanley
Men's 60
15 posts
I thought the Midwest was first rate all the way. Clean and nice with Vendors. It felt like a major event. The Eastern nationals at the Alliance location was run okay, but the fields were dirty and not fan or player friendly. Food stand underpar, a long drive from the hotels and just in bad shape. Weeds on the track, dirt and dust everywhere, no blacktop and little shade. If it had been hot, it would have been brutal.
Also to make the tournies more top notch, why don't the teams get a vote for an overall defensive and offensive MVP from each division. Tournaments of this calibur should have the managers vote on these two awards that are given in most top end tournies. Just some little things like this and better facilities should be offered at the bigtime tournaments.
Nice to have water on the bench's like we do and tarps above the dugouts. Much appreciated.
Aug. 17, 2006
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
606 posts
BigLou, the prices have gone a little high especially when you consider that one national charged about $70 more dollars to guarantee two less games. The major cost difference for the younger set and seniors is the number of games guaranteed. Most younger tournaments that I have had experience with guarantee two games, a few three. Seniors guarantee four or five depending on the tournament.

Stanley, you must have been playing at Alliance; we were there last year, and it is a little "rustic" and remote. We were at East Lansing this year, and it is a very nice complex. The only loose dirt was on the fields. I was told that Gier was nice too, but I have never been there.
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