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Aug. 7, 2012
turn2
484 posts
Manassas, Va.
Guys,
Just wanted to let you guys know that R.B. tried to force our 60 team into playing in the 55 division even though we have 9 guys that are 65. The 3 other 60 teams get to play each other. He is just trying to force us to move up.
We were told that Pace, High Street and N. Va. Force was tired of us beating up on them. So rather than that we told him to refund our money if we could not play in our on age group.
Now since we will not be there maybe someone else can win. I hope you 3 teams are happy about not wanting to play us. Is this what softball has come to? I thought most teams wanted to get better hut if you get to choose who you can play it is easier to win a tournament.
Enjoy your win in the 60 major bracket.
If anyone needs any guys that are not afraid to play some competition give some of our guys a call. They are free this weekend.
Later,
Donnie,
Turn Two
Aug. 7, 2012
softballerK1
Men's 65
29 posts
Donnie, NV Force did not tell RB we would not play you. We entered this tournament fully expecting to play against Turn Two. We were as surprised as you were when the schedule was released. Since Turn Two is the dominant team in 60 Major plus, we entered this tournament with the hope of being reclassified to AAA for ISSA and ASA afterwards because it is so hard to compete against you, especially since you took two of our best players this year. After your very competive showing in Raleigh this past weekend against five 55 Major plus teams, we also think you would want to play more competitive teams rather than beat up on teams with less talent. There are at least 5 other 60 Major plus teams on the east coast and for the most part you all refuse to play one another. There have been very few Major teams that have entered RB's tournaments since he combined Major and Major plus. We have played you numerous times and have given you some very competitive games because of the equalizer. We are not afraid of the competition, but we would like to be competitive.
Aug. 7, 2012
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Hey Donnie, I for one am tired of hearing about how many guys that are 65 on your team. You have a very good team whether you play against 55 or 60s. Do you think that you are the only team that plays 60s that have a number of guys that are 65 on it. I doubt it.We signed up with the intend of playing you guys.We would not have waited this long to play in one of RB's tourneys if we would have wanted you to play against 55s.I was actual looking forward to running my mouth against you guys this weekend. I guess that I will have to wait awhile to do it. Thanks Harry #20 NV FORCE
Aug. 7, 2012
##7
Men's 55
15 posts
If Turn2 really believed in what they say they would play tougher competition(55's) rather than cancel out--just saying. They just missed winning the SSUSA Easterns this past weekend in the 55 major/major+ division so what gives???
sour grapes for such an outstanding team!!!
Aug. 7, 2012
turn2
484 posts
I have no problem playing the younger guys. My question is out of the 92 teams why is my team the only one being picked on? No other team has been forced to move down.
Why aren't the 55 majors plus teams being punished also. My dad told R.B. that we would gladly play the 55's in bracket play if the other 60 major teams were playing also. He said we were the only 60 team moving down to the 55's.
Birdie What does having a good team have to do with playing younger teams. There are other good teams in this tourney and they are not playing younger teams.
Donnie
Aug. 7, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
372 posts
How many of you guys would like to be moved down an age group? How many of you want to play against teams that are up to 10 years younger than most of your team? Probably none of you. This was just their way of getting them out of the tourney. Same problem just in the older age group.
Aug. 7, 2012
jrhunch
92 posts
rb is very wrong on this issue.he allows major plus teams to play against major teams.these are his rules,now he disallows a major plus team in the 60's but allows major plus teams to play against other major teams.i believe last year turn2 got beat by a super major team in the 55 finals.nothing was said then.rb shouldnt have his cake and eat it too.he should never blame his decision on other teams he has only himself to blame.pace#11
Aug. 7, 2012
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
I for one have no knowledge of The High Street 60's not wanting to play Turn 2. Yes, we have been beaten by Turn 2, as well as many teams that they play! Just look at the results of the 60 Major Plus SPA Nationals in Dalton, GA. They are a damn good team and I don't care if they have guys that are 65, they are good! If High Street made that request to R.B. it is without my knowledge!

Greg
#8 3rd Base High St. 60's
Aug. 8, 2012
turn2
484 posts
You guys may want to ask R.B. this weekend about what he told us. I am just relaying what R.B. told my dad and that is why he moved us to the 55 in bracket play. When you get to Manassas this weekend just ask him where did he get his information from.
Thanks,
Donnie
Aug. 8, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
You say teams should want to play better competition but you want to play all of the teams you have beaten before, maybe I just don't get it?
Aug. 8, 2012
wagon487
Men's 50
522 posts
Donnie, I'm sure we will see you out there playing for someone this weekend:)
Aug. 8, 2012
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Donnie, I do not know about the other teams. Your team is the only one that is in our age group. You have the best 60 team in the country and are located on the east coast. The competition for you guys on the east coast is rather sparse to say the least.If you had a 65 Major Plus team my guess is that you would be playing the 60 major teams even up. RB should have left the 60 division alone and used the equalizer with you guys. We have always played you with that rule in place and are about 1 and 6 against you. The games are some what competitive with the rule in place. I do not want to debate the rule about getting undeserved runs on this thread. I have always thought that you guys should not have to play down but for you to have a walk in the park against my team is not fair to us. Your team should have turned 65 this year and this discussion would not be taken place. Thanks Harry # 20 NVFORCE
Aug. 8, 2012
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
jrhunch, For what it is worth I agree with you. He might have seen what happened in Raleigh and decided to do the same in his tourney.I cannot figure it out. Thanks Harry
Aug. 8, 2012
Ray Ray 34
1 posts
The Turn Two team players will be playing in Manassas this weekend. Unfortunately, the manager and coaches, Donny and Carson have decided not to attend. As for myself, I do not like all of this confusion right or wrong. All of players of Turn Two are looking forward to playing softball this weekend. Hopefully, as many of my friends and previous teammates will attend the Senior Softball National HOF ceremony Saturday afternoon at Valley View during the tournament. Ray Ray
Aug. 8, 2012
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Ray Ray, Congratulations from myself and the NVFORCE team on your induction. You are a class act and have been for many years. If you can share the time of the induction, I am sure that some of my teammates would like to be there as would others on this board.See you at Valley View and good luck against the youngsters. Thanks Harry
Aug. 8, 2012
cutty
42 posts
I play with a 55 Major Plus team that will be playing in Manassas this weekend. I think this may the most Competitive weekend of the year. Wish it was 6 Hr,s and a Walk, But never the less it should be Nice. Good luck to Everyone. As the saying goes finish strong.
Aug. 8, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2634 posts
Welcome to the board Ray!
RB should use the chart that SSUSA uses and place Turn Two in the same bracket as the 50 AAA teams!!!
We have similar problems here in the Southeast, no one to play in the 60 M+.
Aug. 8, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2634 posts
Ray, forgot to say congratulations!!
Good luck this weekend!
Aug. 8, 2012
sliplayer
Men's 60
70 posts
RayRay
Good luck to you and Turn Two this weekend. Congratulations again for your induction into HOF, well deserved. I would encourage as many players as possible to attend these events.
Steve Imlay
Aug. 9, 2012
BMC13
Men's 50
35 posts
RayRay,
Congratulations on your induction to the Hall of Fame!! Great honor and well deserved!!
Baer Chandler/Metro Stars 50's
Aug. 9, 2012
RudyG
Men's 60
4 posts
Ray Ray, As others have posted, yes,congratulations to you for your well-deserved HOF Induction, also to your teammate, Tommy Tudor. You always have been one of the most competitive & productive players that I have had the pleasure of playing with (briefly) & competing against. So, Turn Two is a fabulous team, comprised of many players with tremendous resumes from their early days now through their senior years; I always look forward to the competition, trying to give whatever my best may be. I would rather try to figure out a strategy to give them the best game possible and/or improve our team, trying to rise to their level of playing performance. Don't they put their pants on the same as the rest of us? It is unfortuante that they have been "forced" to relocate. Ray Ray, I know you all will still make an honorable presentation, representing the game that all of us love....kenny
Aug. 9, 2012
crump22
Men's 50
42 posts
Mario, turn two is a 60 major plus team,when they play a 55 major team,in which omega is, that a even game.as tattooball stated, do they want competition? or do they want to continue to beat the same team over and over? if not?then go to manassas and prove that you can beat more then the same team . how much fun can that be.RayRay , congratulation on your induction into the Senior Hall Of Fame from the Motown Stars, Donnie, have a little Faith in your Team , They can,t win them All, so when they lose , just get ready for the next week, the player i know that play for you is not looking for no excuse.
Aug. 9, 2012
softball4b
Men's 60
732 posts
Ray Ray congrats on your HOF. GSF looks forward to playing you guys in Vegas. The Omen guys were asking about you and are hoping you play 65 and 60 in Vegas.

Mike Adair GSF
Aug. 9, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
372 posts
Crump, then why do we have age groups at all? So we can play people at the same age and ability level, right? Having 60 year olds play 55's is not right in my opionion. Otherwise lets all play against each other, that way we would have more teams to play against. No, we all don't want that so let them play their own age group.
Aug. 9, 2012
sliplayer
Men's 60
70 posts
How could I forget Tommy Tudor's induction???? Congratulations Tommy well deserved for a special player and even better person.
Steve Imlay
Aug. 9, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1964 posts
I also extend congratulations to Ray and Tommy-it was my honor to be at the induction.
Ray-all this stuff aside-I cannot wait to get on the field with you guys again. You only get better playing the best, getting your butt kicked and coming back by learning how to beat the best. I look forward to seeing and playing you in Vegas.
Aug. 9, 2012
garyheifner
354 posts
Donnie

I am not commenting on your situation because I don't know any of you.

What I agree with you is age differences. My team is a 65 AAA with 2 guys who could be in 70s now and 5 more guys who could move up to 70s next year. Just playing at the AAA level, many of our opponents have had a majority of players 65-66 years old. Sorry guys, but they are faster, stronger and more athletic. We have competed OK at times but have had difficulty winning overall. To move down an entire age group or two is absurd. Some will not understand this until they are in your situation. The 5 year increment system works. From what we have experienced is that when you roll to a new (higher) age group, you better win in the the 1st 2/3 years because those last 2/3 years you will be playing younger teams who will be a lot better.
Aug. 10, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
garyheifner, I could not agree more with your observation about moving up to a new age group! If you don't win in the first 2-3 years, you are on the downslope of your new age bracket and the "youngsters" will be all over you! There are a few exceptions like the Florida Legends who played 65 M+ last year with almost all their players 70 or older and did very well. Most of us are not that blessed.
Aug. 10, 2012
halmany
19 posts
I have been playing senior ball for seven years and have lost to turn two playing 50 when they were 55 and lost to them playing 55 when they were 60. They have a very good team and at times they embarrass the younger guys, having said that it is not right for any association to make them play out of their age or classification. In Raleigh they were given the 60 birth but still wanted to play and had a very good tourney against the 55's. senior ball has been enjoyable because for the most part you don't have the arguing and whinning the young open ballers have. If a team is getting it's butt handed to them everytime they line up against turn two either get better players or go at it as is. Don't punish a team for fielding a great team. grats to Ray but you still can't beat me at corn hole.
Aug. 10, 2012
crump22
Men's 50
42 posts
Mario, i don,t make the rule , so you need to ask the people that run these org. but when a major plus team play a major team in a different age group that a even game, you don,t have to agree but that a fact, that is not a new rule to senior softball.look its only senior softball it not life or death. either you want to play someone that will test your softball skill or not.so i have to assume not. because they continue to beat those same team every time. they only loss to omega by a couple run , i guess they know how the major team feel now. good luck to all the team this weekend
Aug. 10, 2012
crump22
Men's 50
42 posts
Mario, i don,t make the rule , so you need to ask the people that run these org. but when a major plus team play a major team in a different age group that a even game, you don,t have to agree but that a fact, that is not a new rule to senior softball.look its only senior softball it not life or death. either you want to play someone that will test your softball skill or not.so i have to assume not. because they continue to beat those same team every time. they only loss to omega by a couple run , i guess they know how the major team feel now. good luck to all the team this weekend
Aug. 12, 2012
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Hey Gang, Just wanted to clear something up. The Donnie from turn two is not Clatta.There where some players at the tourney who thought that it was him.

Ray was inducted into the HOF and He is a class act. Congratulations to him.

Turn Two is undefeated in the 60 major bracket.

NVFORCE got beaten real real bad by High Street Bucs and Pace. good luck to all three today. Thanks Harry
Aug. 12, 2012
AndyC
9 posts
Turn 2 is to good and should be broke up for the health of Senior Softball
Aug. 12, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1964 posts
I disagree Andy. I cannot wait to get on the field aainst them again. Everyone that plays on my GSF team has had tremendous games in their career. 6-6, great defensive games, games they 'took over' and led their team to victory. Every time we step on the field, everyone is capable of playing that type of game. We just need to put it all together at the right time. But tearing down the best teams is just not the best way to go. If you tear this team down, someone will start clamoring to tear down another team, and then another, and so on until it gets stupid. I'd rather work on getting better to beat them!
Aug. 12, 2012
turn2
484 posts
AndyC
Are the other big teams that win going to be broke up also or are you just going to discriminate against my team? When has it been a crime to try and win ballgames?
Donnie
Turn Two
Also I am the young scorekeeper on our Turn Two team.
Aug. 12, 2012
turn2
484 posts
Webbie,
I also can't wait to play you guys and the other major plus teams in Vegas. It is always a tough game against you guys and GSF and the other teams make us play that much harder.
See you in Vegas
Donnie
Aug. 12, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1964 posts
Donnie-it was a pleasure meeting you and chatting on the way out. You have a class team and played well. That is where I aspire to be. Clatta was every bit the gentleman I was told he was, as were the rest of you guys. See you in Vegas.
Aug. 12, 2012
audieh
Men's 60
241 posts
Webbie, I'm with you 100%. Our team, Hollis Appraisals, is looking forward to Vegas and and playing all comers in the 60 major plus division. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best! As usual we will be short 3 or 4 starters but that is how traveling senior ball is played.

Any of the major plus teams are capable of beating the others so let's play and have a great time with GSF, Turn Two and who ever shows!
Aug. 13, 2012
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
I totally disagree with Andy C. ! Turn 2 is a very good team and desrves to play in the age bracket that they are registered in! As a matter of fact, I feel, they should not go up to 65 because they are quite capable of playing 60 Major plus! And I will also state after having played in Manassas this past weekend, that we ( High Street Bucs 60's ) NEVER requested that Turn 2 be placed in any other division of play because we did not want to play them . We played Turn 2, in what was a well played game on both sides, and lost 13 - 12. We also played Pace the next day and lost 28 -27. I have the greatest respect for all members of Turn 2, and one member, Andy Zitnay, plays for the High Street 60's in league ball with us, and we are proud to have him with us! We have played and will continue to play any team that is on our schedule! And I also agree with Webbie, Turn 2 sets the bar, and anyone that has a competitive spirit and strives to be the best, should want to play the best! And one more thing, it was great being there to see Ray Ray get inducted into The Hall Of Fame, nice ceremony
Aug. 13, 2012
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Well said Greg. Enjoyed playing yunz over the weekend. See you someday down the road. Thanks Harry
Aug. 13, 2012
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Thanks Harry, it was great seeing you, Hubbie, Frankie and all of the guys on NV Force. Great group of guys. We will be in Virginia Beach, Myrtle Beach and then, finish our season in Fort Myers. Maybe we'll see you in one of those.

Thanks,
Greg
Aug. 13, 2012
goforit
97 posts
I agree with Webbie and some of the others about playing the best competition. I for one am looking forward to playing Turn 2 in Vegas -- i know be careful what you ask for. I know that no matter what the final score may be in the National game we (Master Collision) will play hard. There are many other 60 major plus teams that will be in Vegas and any one of them can win on a given day -- D & K, MTC, GSF, KC Kids and Hollis. Just because a team is good they should not be forced to break up just because others are not wanting to play them. More power to them for putting together a great team, Turn 2 has been around for years and other teams have had plenty of time to gather players and give them a great game on the field, its a testament to them that they have been able to withstand all the challenges. Look forward to seeing everyone in Vegas next month.

John Giesler
Master Collision
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