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Aug. 14, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
SportsmanShop
I am looking to join a 50+ senior team for this next year. I live in Richmond, Virginia. I can play any position, but I am mostly a outfielder. I have played for alot of championship teams and 10 40+ world championship teams. I throw right and bat left. Run the 40 in 4.56 seconds. I would like to talk to some teams to play this coming year. Tim Sadler
Aug. 14, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
If that is your actual 40 time (kind of a big if, but you should know better than I) at your age, you should be playing in the NFL and not SSUSA.
Aug. 14, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
It is an actual time and I am turning 49 in November of this year.
Aug. 14, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
I played on the ISSA, NSA, USSSA 40+ world champions. I hope I can find a team. I have had teams ask me, but I want to find the best team to play on.
Aug. 14, 2012
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
SS, Goodman's has a pretty good team. I think that they are 50 major.there are a couple of others down your way. I believe that Spicers also has a team but they maybe 55. Wish that I could run like that. Thanks Harry
Aug. 15, 2012
Wayne 37
203 posts
What did you run in high school?
Aug. 16, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
Did not run in high school. Played basketball and baseball. Why is everyone stuck on the running part. I just want to play.
Aug. 16, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Probably because your 40 time is the same as a number of NFL runners and receivers half your age, and certainly draws attention. A bit of skepticism as well, but certainly attention.
Aug. 16, 2012
Wayne 37
203 posts
I was thinking if not senior softball, senior olympics.

When I was senior in high school, I ran a hand held 4.60 on grass with worn down soccer cleats. Ran the quarter mile in a 50 flat on a cinder track. This was 40 years ago.

Wonder what I would have run with today's technology, and sponge tracks.
Aug. 17, 2012
rlspls1974
Men's 60
54 posts
i ran to first base last weekend and they used a sun dial to time me. :)

Thank you for the laugh men...this exchange cracked me up.

there were 10 running back at the NFL combine this year who ran slower than you pal.

Good luck SportsmanShop I hope you find a team and have fun!
Aug. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
And that does make this a bit questionable, but as I said before he must know better than I.
Aug. 17, 2012
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
guys give SS a break--he might be talking about 40 feet!!!
Aug. 17, 2012
johnny5
3 posts
hi i am 50 looking to join a team anywhere live in harford county , love the game just want to get back into the game ,
Aug. 17, 2012
johnny5
3 posts
any body ever need a sub. or even score keeper call me , i will be there looking to play
Aug. 18, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
What is a good time for a 50+ from home to first? The way it sounds on here is from home to first would be 6+ seconds.
Aug. 18, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
Maybe he typed the numbers in the wrong order. 6.54? 5.64? 5.46? Not my place to call BS on something I know nothing about, so I won't.
Aug. 18, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
6+ would be AWFUL! It is only 22 yards.
Aug. 18, 2012
?
86 posts
Deion Sanders ran a 4.27-second 40-yard dash in 1989
Aug. 18, 2012
Bubble Gum
64 posts
What's the chances of Sanders being anywhere close to that time 20 plus years later?

A reasonable guess is that Sanders would probably be in the middle to high 5's if he were to run the 40 yard dash today.
Aug. 18, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Which makes a 49 year old man who was most likely never Deion running a 4.56 now a bit iffy.
Aug. 18, 2012
Full Monty
79 posts
Possibly a "wee bit" of an exaggeration on the resume?
Aug. 18, 2012
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
Our club has an annual "Seniors Games" for ages from 50 to whatever, with competition in each 5-year segment. Two of the events are home to first dash and home to home run. Fastest record of all the participants (about 300 in our club) was 3.4 home to first, and home to home was 13.4. Extrapolating from those distances (65 feet between bases) we get a 40 time of 6.16. That's the best in the years the games have been held. 4.56 would be really, really fast for a 50-year-old (heck, it would have been unreachable for me as a 20-year-old!).
Aug. 19, 2012
VINNY LV
Men's 50
178 posts
Bubble Gum, why question the guy ??? I've seen you post that you had speed to try and get on a team.. your speed wuold be in the AWFUL range at best!!!!! Baaaaaahhhh !!!!! C ya at the field soon...
Aug. 19, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
Please tell me when you have the "Senior Games" and you said that the time you have here are records. I am sorry if no one on here believes a 49+ guy can run the time. I will be at the 40+ USSSA, NSA, ASA and ISA worlds if we want to run. I out run the 20 year olds we have here and have run against a few NFL players.
Sept. 28, 2012
Ernies 53
Men's 50
23 posts
touche
Sept. 29, 2012
coop3636
57 posts
Guys
Give this man a break.
This is the reason young ball is terrible.
He might not be that fast or he might be, but wait until someone sees him and then bash him if necessary.
We need MORE players in the seniors, not try and run them off before they start.
SS, I would beg my coach to give you a chance if you lived to a boardering state. (Can always tell you no thanks if it doesnt work out)
I Hope someone smarts up and gives you a look see.
Worse that can happen is that you are terrible and waste a couple of hours.
Hope you find somewhere to play.
Coop3636
(GA Monarchs)
Sept. 29, 2012
Tim Millette
498 posts
Tim, are you Paul's brother.....and if you are...

This guy played centerfield, in a three man outfield, at the USSSA MAJOR WORLD SERIES........At Disney.......ON THE MAIN BASEBALL FIELD.

When he was.....41 YEARS OLD.
Sept. 29, 2012
Tim Millette
498 posts
Illegally!!!!!

On Worth time!
Sept. 29, 2012
garyheifner
361 posts
Sportsman Shop

Don't pay any attention to Gary 19. I believe you. The left fielder on my team is 69 and could run in the 4's-sub 5. I have seen two others this year in his speed range at the 65 level. I have had teams tell me they are afraid to pull the ball. Anyone who has seen Richie Douglas run would agree. After 30 years of coaching and timing kids in track and football I know what sub 5 looks like.

See, the issue is the World Championships are going on. Gary 19 can't be a part of the 450 teams out in Vegas having a blast so he is going to be real bitchy (more than usual)the next several weeks.
Oct. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"sub 5"

Heifner, I know this is not going to be a politically-correct, touchy-feely thing to say, but you must be incredibly dumb.

And see how many teams would be there "having a blast" if the tourney was in Bismarck.
Oct. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"After 30 years of coaching and timing kids in track and football I know what sub 5 looks like."

So you never saw a clock on him, just stating that so definitively based on how he looks to you?

I believe he might be fast, perhaps very fast. But NFL-like speed at 69? Do you know what the WR is for the 100 for guys his age? Look it up and do some math. I have.
Oct. 1, 2012
0
56 posts

Let me get this straight....

A guy 50 years old that can run nearly as fast as Deion Sanders when he was playing professional football in 1989.

And the best he can do with that gift of speed is to use it playing senior softball?

What a waste!!

Oct. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
50 years old? Hell, he is talking about three guys who are 65-69 who (allegedly) run like that.
Oct. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Clarification. My last post was about the guys Gary Heifner was talking about. 0's post appears to be about the original poster on this thread.

Both remind me a weeeee bit of tall tales.
Oct. 1, 2012
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
The manager of our team, OC Mustangs has recently been hand timed at 4.9 for the 40+ he is a solid 62 years old.
He also recently came in 5th in the 60 div. in the US at the Senior Games in Ohio I think it was. As well as 5th in the World Senior Games in Italy last year in the 60 div.
Gary if you would pull your head out of your posterior and attend a senior event you may see some of these guys run.
They are a true inspiration to see.
Oct. 1, 2012
Dbax
Men's 60
1280 posts
By saying "hand timed" was the guy doing the timing counting on his fingers?
Oct. 2, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
E4, fast is one thing. What is being alleged here goes well beyond just fast, to the point of very dubious.

And if my head was up my ass I would be willing to pay what a weekend costs to play a couple of teams in a very small bracket.
Oct. 5, 2012
neck10
498 posts
get in contact with the oki bunch when they get back from the worlds big john might need someone like you they are a good bunch of guys
Oct. 6, 2012
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
456 isnt exactly a couple G19. Must be dark in there.

DBAX you are kidding, arent you?
Oct. 29, 2012
scoop10
12 posts
Dear Sportsman Shop,
We have a team in Md.50 Majors. Have you found a team yet ? We need a PLAYER for Ft Myers
Oct. 29, 2012
garyheifner
361 posts
The number of teams playing in Bismark would be about the same number as those that would travel to Cinncinati for the worlds. Does it really matter? All I know is that 1000's played in Vegas and Gary 19 didn't. Vegas was a great success and I know that grates heavily on Gary 19 who was hoping it would bomb. Yes, it had some isuues and flaws that I know will be worked on.

E4

As Gary 19 sits on his dumb ass questioning everyones integrity, what he doesn't realize is that a 40 in the high 4s is not a big deal anymore. Colleges and high schools (football) have dozens on every team who can run in the 4s and even a few 300 pounders out there that can crack the 5 barrier. Totally possible for a few select seniors who can hit the upper 4s.

What is a big deal is athletes who claim 4.1 to 4.3. That is a unique athlete with an explosive start. I had one athlete who timed (hand held) (STOP WATCH) 4.35 consistantly. He had dozens of major college offers. I remember some questioning my times but still offered based on film. Got a call in the evening of his 1st college practice and they said, with an appolgy, they got him in back to back 4.3s. So I trust and believe in hand held timing and your statment and Sportman shops statement.
Oct. 30, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"The number of teams playing in Bismark would be about the same number as those that would travel to Cinncinati for the worlds."

Yes it would be, and that number would be significantly smaller than the number in Vegas. Need help figuring out why?

"As Gary 19 sits on his dumb ass questioning everyones integrity"

Yea, like I am the only one here who questioned that. And again, you don't want to play the intellect card with me.

"Totally possible for a few select seniors who can hit the upper 4s"

BTW, he did not say "upper 4s", but 4.56. BIG difference!

Oct. 30, 2012
swanny22
Men's 55
10 posts
Funny thing that you mention Bismark N.D. as they host a little tournament every June that attracts approx 400 teams in 15 divisions(Including a 5o and a 60 division).It is called the Sam McQuade/Budwieser. In 36yrs they have averaged 351 teams a year
Oct. 31, 2012
southernson
260 posts
RLSPLS74,
Thank you so much....how did I miss it...

"i ran to first base last weekend and they used a sun dial to time me. :)"

Now that's funny!

Oct. 31, 2012
garyheifner
361 posts
Gary 19

Playing the intellect card with you is very easy.

If brains were rain, yours would be a desert.

The upper 4's refered to my teammate and several others I have seen.

The 4.56 is very possible for an individual.

Winter worlds several years ago a lead off hitter, hit a grounder up the middle, fielded cleanly by the right center fielder and fired to 2nd. The hitter had an easy stand up double. He displayed the speed many more times that game. After the game, I said your the fastest runner I have ever seen in Sr softball. He said Eric Barnes, #44 Dallas Cowboys-DB 10 years. Obviously a senior with big time speed and obviouly a rather low 40 time. You guys act like 40 yards is a long way to travel in 4.56 sec.

"40" yards times 3' equals 120 feet. The distance from home plate to 2nd base in baseball. Or, only 30' farther than home plate to 1st base. Not very far.

Sorry, I can't carry on with this thread as I leave for the winter worlds tomorrow. I will be playing softball and you won't. The exploitation will be horrible, but I will fight through it.
Oct. 31, 2012
Wayne 37
203 posts
As a lifelong Cowboys fan from the early Cotton Bowl days, I can say with a all sincerity, the Pokes never had a DB named Eric Barnes that played for them for ten years.

And I will add further there are guys with football speed, and guys with "Underwear Olympics" speed.
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I know you can't trust everything on the internet, and maybe this guy went by a different name back then, but I just checked a Cowboys' all-time roster and there is NO Eric Barnes listed.
Nov. 1, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
I think his 40 time is as exaggerated as Mr 46/36 numbers! ;-)
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
@#$#@*&%$#@*&(%$#@
Nov. 1, 2012
neck10
498 posts
they say hersel still runs below 5 & he's at least 50
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
A) Perhaps, but we don't know for sure.

B) That's Herschel Walker, a former world-class football player, sprinter, and hell a bobsledder; these are softball players, and slow-pitch at that.
Nov. 1, 2012
stick8
1298 posts
Gary, wan't Herschel Walker the one who was traded for what turned out to be 11 players?
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Yes he was. Something like 11 guys. I don't think anyone is trading 11 guys for one of these senior softball speedsters....:)
Nov. 1, 2012
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
"As a lifelong Cowboys fan from the early Cotton Bowl days, I can say with a all sincerity, the Pokes never had a DB named Eric Barnes that played for them for ten years"

Bennie Barnes played DB for Dallas from '72-'82 and graduated from Stanford. He now works in San Pablo, Ca.(Info from Wikopedia). He is 61 years old.
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"Sorry, I can't carry on with this thread as I leave for the winter worlds tomorrow. I will be playing softball and you won't. The exploitation will be horrible, but I will fight through it."

What tournament did you win to qualify? Or another case of just being willing to spend the money?

I will be playing today. Two games indoors. Nice try, though......:)
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Just wondering. How do we know Bennie is Eric?
Nov. 1, 2012
stick8
1298 posts
I suspect not Gary. I can't believe anyone would be worth trading for 11 players.
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
No, not at all. Clearly the Cowboys got the better of that trade.
Nov. 1, 2012
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
We don't know that Benny is Eric. Benny Barnes broke his ankle in 1974 and required 3 surgeries. Benny also wore #31, while Robert Newhouse wore #44.
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
So there still seems to be a few holes in Heifner's story.
Nov. 1, 2012
CAPT D5
124 posts
Google Eric Barnes, NFL; shows an Eric Barnes, DB, #40, Bears, 10yrs, all pro, maybe a case of senior memory changing a few details, maybe not.
Nov. 1, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I just Googled Eric Barnes NFL and Eric Barnes Chicago Bears, and no relevant hits at all. Closest was Erich Barnes, played with among others the Giants and Browns, and he is now almost 80. Can't imagine he would now be the fastest guy in senior softball.
Nov. 1, 2012
pattontax
10 posts
The fastest guy in senior softball is Jim Ross. He turns 60 next year and still runs a sub 12 second 100. I'm sure he is ranked in the top 5 in the 55 and over in the 100. He also one of the overall best players around ( 5 tool, etc.).
Nov. 1, 2012
softball4b
Men's 60
756 posts
Jim is a 5 tool player and probably is the fastest in 55/60, Tom Ott from KC is probably #2.

There are 2 guys on Sommerville Softball that are faster than Jim. Turbo and Dave Culbert
Nov. 2, 2012
southernson
260 posts
You can bring all your "fast" guys to Jacksonville, FL at any time. Put em on a train, put em on a plane, put em on a bus, but bring them.

The fastest baserunner in 50+ senior softball player on the planet is Johnny Arline. Johnny won't be a name you know, but he is known locally here. Johnny scored over 66% of the time from first to home on a routine single. In all of softball at any level, I've never seen anything like it. He played tournaments and Nationals with us in 2010.

I've also got a player on our current Florida Classics team that is playing in the SPA World Series this weekend, Bobby Cooper, that is way out of the ordinary fast, in fact that's been his nickname here for years, "FAST". Bobby is an All-Tournament level outfielder that easily gives us an extra 3-4 runs per game with his speed.

Bring the track stars, bring the ex-NFL players, from first to home, I'll put my gumdrops on Johnny and Bobby.
Nov. 2, 2012
southernson
260 posts
By the way, here's an interesting note about Deion Sanders....we all know what level of football player Deion was, and we all know that he also could play baseball at the Major League level.

But another of Deion's abilities might not have been known globally - basketball, he could play. I saw him in the 80's when I was playing basketball with a travelling AAU team...and there are several FSU rumors about him torching the FSU basketball players in the offseason.... A truly gifted athelete....who also proved he's no rap artist. Was that a bad video or what??
Nov. 2, 2012
tater9
62 posts
Tom Ott is one fast individual! There is also a guy that plays for MWC out of Kansas that is no slouch when it comes to being one of those fast type guys.
Nov. 2, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
southerson,what about Kieth who wins our(CST) 50+ home to home with times just over what the kids do it,it is less than a .5 or less difference....
Nov. 2, 2012
BobLaser
Men's 50
38 posts
This is a very interesting and entertaining conversation. I would be willing to bet that Herschell Walker still runs a 4.6.
Nov. 2, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Bob, he might but he was a world-class athlete in a number of sports. Here, we are just talking about slow-pitch guys.
Nov. 2, 2012
southernson
260 posts
Mad Dog,
I agree, Keith can run I here....but Johnny is a blur I tell you.

Anyone seen someone score from first on a straight up single and do it routinely? Not me, only Johnny.

Anyone know of a 50+ home to home competition at the TOC in Feb? Maybe Johnny shows up....

Nov. 4, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
This is Tim and I would love to find a team to go to the worlds down in Ft. Meyers. Please give me a way to get in touch with you or give me an email at thesportsmanshop@yahoo.com and we can talk about playing. All of this discussion about speed and how fast guys can run, there are guys that can run in the 4's and 5's. I played on the team that won the USSSA, ASA, NSA, ISSA 35+ and 40+ worlds this year.
Nov. 5, 2012
Y2KCobra
11 posts
Hey Tim,

Were putting together a 50AAA team out of Charlotte NC and the region. Last year we won 2 tourneys and came in 2nd for 2 tourney's with a team that was no where what were putting together now. If your interested let me know. We play in NC, Vir, SC, and around that area but I would love to go to Fla with a strong team.
Nov. 5, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Cobra, were you AA last year?

If this new team is so much better than a team that was in four finals, shouldn't you be moving up a classifiction?
Nov. 5, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Make that "classification".
Nov. 5, 2012
BobLaser
Men's 50
38 posts
@Gary19. True. Herschell was a world class sprinter. I would be happy if I could run a 4.8 or 4.9.
Nov. 5, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Absolutely.
Nov. 5, 2012
Y2KCobra
11 posts
Gary,

The team did exactly as stated. As for classification good luck with that one. A few teams that I knew their level were able to play at a lower level. I don't make the rules/calls just trying to build a team with a core and the want to win. Many say they want to win but their actions do not reflect it so you have 2 choices. Stay on the ride or move on, get sponsorship, build a solid group, get a non-player coach and have fun. Some of us have chosen option 2 and were working on the core group.
Nov. 5, 2012
Y2KCobra
11 posts
Gary,

The team did exactly as stated. As for classification good luck with that one. A few teams that I knew their level were able to play at a lower level. I don't make the rules/calls just trying to build a team with a core and the want to win. Many say they want to win but their actions do not reflect it so you have 2 choices. Stay on the ride or move on, get sponsorship, build a solid group, get a non-player coach and have fun. Some of us have chosen option 2 and were working on the core group.
Nov. 5, 2012
Tim Millette
498 posts
Tim, you didn't answer...are you Paul's brother?
Nov. 6, 2012
Norq44
58 posts
Sportsmanshop,
Welcome to senior softball
Nov. 6, 2012
SportsmanShop
10 posts
I am sorry, but yes. Paul is my little brother. I am looking for a team to play on, and never thought that older guys would act like the younger guys do. I just want to play on a good team that has a good time. I have won and played at every level and now it is time to play and have fun while winning.
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