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Discussion: Is it too much to expect ice water in the dugout?

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Sept. 10, 2012
gott2play
Men's 55
139 posts
Is it too much to expect ice water in the dugout?
Maybe it's just me, but after playing this past weekend in Hemet at the SCSST/SSUSA Last Chance Qualifier, is it too much to expect some ice water in the dugouts? Played 4 games on Saturday, 2 back to back, then a one game break, then 2 more back to back, it was pretty warm out there, and the facility doesn't have much in the way of shade. Just sayin'. While we had water, gatorade, etc., a little ice water to douse yourself sometimes can be a good thing.

Seem like these things are only addressed at the major tournies, kinda like the defibrillators.

Signed,

Overheated
Sept. 10, 2012
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
I addressed that issue several years ago at Hemet. The answer I got was they to don't want the liability of guys soaking sweaty towels and neck coolers in the drinking water and contaminating the water with possible bacteria problems. That said, I started bringing my own water.
Sept. 10, 2012
bkb555
87 posts
really, you have to ask this question????...playing softball for 30-40 years and you have to have somebody else supply ice and etc????? reminds me of guys on my hockey team who don't bring a water bottle to the bench.....been playing hockey for 30 years and all of a sudden, you realize you get thirsty while playing?????how about filling a cooler of ice and bringing it to the park...not too much to ask of players or a team manager...it is NOT the facility's responsibility
Sept. 11, 2012
?
82 posts
Only a fool would go out to play softball in 100+ degree heat of the southwest desert and not bring water and/or expect others to do it for them.

You are supposed to take water with you when you go on any trip in the desert.

Have you never heard of a car breaking down in the middle of desert and the occupants dying within hours due to lack of water?

Take water and quit relying on others.

Your life may depend on it!

Sept. 11, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Personal accountability. An interesting concept apparently not shared by all.....:(
Sept. 11, 2012
17Black
Men's 50
219 posts
????????

For any tournament when I know I am playing multiple games in a day>>>>

I keep a cooler of gatorade/ice water in the car, and make sure I have 2-3 bottles in my bat bag all the time. Even when its cool out.

AND make sure I'm drinking them------very important to stay hydrated!!!!!

I have never relied on the water in a dugout even when it is provided.
Sept. 11, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
You should be drinking H2O at all times during the day and night, not just on the ball fields. If you know it's going to be hot on the weekend you're playing, start hydrating a few days before the tourney? That way if you forget your water & Gatorade you won't feel as hot. Maybe?
I teach a Indoor Spin class a few days a week, and it kills me to see folks young & Older not bring a towel & Water, it's indoors, no A/C & I works ur AZZZ off! 1000 calories in an hour! But they won't or don't know how to hydrate!



Sept. 11, 2012
Duke
Men's 60
702 posts
Hey Tony,

Bet you did not think you would get slammed on this issue?! LOL! Anyway, you are all correct. In hot and cold weather, especially hot weather, we should all bring our own water. All I think Tony was trying to get across, is that traditionally, ALL SSUSA tournaments keep the dugouts supplied with plenty of water. Thank you for that SSUSA!! I have seen a little slack on that tradition in 1-2 of the smaller tournaments over the past 2 years. Not a big deal, but everyone has been spoiled by this tradition. Tony, see you up in Vegas. One tradition you can count on for that weekend, sandwiches will be made and served in my room, and prepared by Chef Gary. BTW, bring some beer and water. LOL!

Andy Smith,
55/60 Major
Sept. 11, 2012
Marv19
Men's 60
433 posts
Tony the next time you come to one of our tournaments you can have a free bottle of water on me. That being said I wont defend the weekend tournament because it wasn't ours. But I will tell you when we started out we had a discussion with the insurance carrier. We are insured for injury liability and not any law suits resulting in a bacterial infection stemming from providing contaminated water to dugouts. If the water is contaminated we are liable. Not the guy that may not be feeling well and soaked his towel in the big jug and found out later he was contagious. Seriously guys do you really drink out of those things? Have you ever seen one sanitized? Me either. Hemet though not too shady is our Home Park. There are I think 5 drinking fountains located within a convenient short walk from all dugouts. But more than that bring water! That way you know it has your own cooties on it :O)
Sept. 11, 2012
DCPete
234 posts
Pretty likely you would also be liable/sued if a player collapsed/died in a dugout that didn't provide any water.
Not saying that's fair, just saying that's reality . . .
Sept. 11, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
When did all of this law suit crap everyone always refers to become so prevalent in softball?

How many of you actually know anyone who ever sued for anything that happened on a field? How many of the plaintiffs won?

There would be NO law suit in Pete's situation unless the facility prohibited guys from bringing liquid onto the grounds. Guys suing in that situation because they neglected to take care of themselves is ridiculous at best.

Not to mention, players have the freedom to leave if they feel they are being put in an unsafe situation.

My God, where is personal responsibility?
Sept. 11, 2012
gott2play
Men's 55
139 posts
Andy,

Slammed is putting it mildly. Apparently, some people didn't take the time to read my entire post before poppin' off about bringing coolers, and personal accountability. Some seemed to entirely miss the part that states I did bring water and gatorade...I didn't ask for the organization to supply drinking water...read a little slower and take it all in before you pounce fellas.

Just as you stated Andy, it's been SOP for SSUSA to have the 5 gallon jug of ice water in the dugouts for tournaments, especially at the venues where it's hot. Most of us will use that water to douse ourselves to help cool us down a little.

Marv, many guys drink the water from these things, maybe not now though. Thanks for the informing us of the sanitizing, or lack thereof :)...and who the hell is dunking their towels in the ice water buckets anyway.

Peace out.
Sept. 11, 2012
stick8
1277 posts
Rightrj1, what exactly is an indoor spin class?
Sept. 11, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Stick, Itís a stationary Bike with an adjustable tension knob to simulate Hills and flat ground. Some may call it indoor cycling but most call it Spinning! Most Tour de France riders use them for training.. I play music and you pedal to the beat! Great cardio with no impact on the joints!
Sept. 11, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
It is a very good workout.

They are little more than glorified stationary bikes, since most traditional stationary bikes can also simulate hills (LifeFitness being a good example), but someone seems to have made a cottage industry out of changing the design a little and calling it Spinning.
Sept. 11, 2012
miken44
78 posts
when our team capp steel plays we normally have two coolers with ice water and gatorade for the guys to drink dont rely on any tournament site to provide anything to drink
Sept. 11, 2012
DCPete
234 posts
A plaintiff recently won a $14.6 million dollar judgment in Little League. The pitcher was hit in the chest by a batted ball & suffered permanent brain damage when his heart stopped. The plaintiffs sued the manufacturer (Louisville Slugger), the retailer (Sports Authority) & the Police Association sponsoring the game even though the bat was certified and approved for play.
All the defendants were found guilty even though parents routinely sign waivers holding these associations free from liability in the case of non-negligent injury.
Go figure . . .
Sept. 11, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Pete, so sorry for what happened to the boy, but that judgment is just sad. Very sad!
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