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Discussion: SO WHAT DO WE GET OTHER THEN PLAYING FOR $675.00 PER TEAM IN VEGAS

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Sept. 16, 2012
Gideon60
Men's 50
42 posts
SO WHAT DO WE GET OTHER THEN PLAYING FOR $675.00 PER TEAM IN VEGAS
Just wondering?
Sept. 16, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1006 posts
really cool all tournament patches ! Lol
Sept. 16, 2012
Gideon60
Men's 50
42 posts
nice!!!!!
Sept. 16, 2012
boston
306 posts
You are obviously new on this board. The consensus is thrill of playing the game you love, being with your buddies and drinking beer.There is nothing else that matters.
Sept. 16, 2012
Gideon60
Men's 50
42 posts
Thats real cool and to boston,beer leagues have been gone awhile now.We are here to win.
Sept. 16, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Ken,
Your team should do well, but there are quite a few vg 50's teams listed. Will beat Quigley all to hell.
Sept. 16, 2012
Gideon60
Men's 50
42 posts
Ya I'm sure,I guess we do the best we can and see how it goes.I think the old saying is ANY GIVEN DAY!
Sept. 16, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Yes close to that. Enjoy the sights at night, meet the players during the day. You'll go back too.
Sept. 16, 2012
Gideon60
Men's 50
42 posts
Ya hope to.Are you going with a Team?
Sept. 16, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Can't afford it. Did at least 5 maybe 7 trips there. Only one bad time due to event scheduling. (LVSSA).
Sept. 16, 2012
cyborg45
83 posts
Playing against the best should do it for you! You will find most of them at Vegas.
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Sept. 16, 2012
ShaneV
Men's 55
382 posts
Uh, directors and umpires that are well
rested and sharp after a good night's sleep
in a comfortable room.

Uh, directors that love the game, because
they certainly are not getting rich doing
this.

Uh, decent umpires who love the game, who
pay their own expenses to get to Las Vegas,
pay for their own meals, etc., and who also
are not getting rich.

Uh, decent playfields that are usually not free.

Uh, all that Las Vegas has to offer.
Of course you're there to play softball but
you have some free time to kill in a great
location. Almost like a free vacation
beyond the softball.

Uh, time away from the everyday, whether
that's work OR retirement.

I think I could go on and on...

ShaneV
Sept. 16, 2012
Olden Slow
Men's 65
182 posts
Shane gets it..I play...well, because I still can...
Sept. 16, 2012
Duke
Men's 60
725 posts
$695 per team!!
Sept. 17, 2012
THECAT
59 posts
The other qualifiers almost look the same.
$525 or more with patches and also some great grab bag
gifts most likely donated or cost of $8-10 and then of course options to BUY RING.Now that we are playing almost the same teams over and over again IN THE QUALIFIERS let's at least get a better bang for the very important dollars spent to get to and stay at all tourneys chosen by the SSUSA.
THE T-SHIRTS AND POLO SHIRTS YOU HAVE TO BUY AT THE TOURNEYS HAVE MORE VALUE THAN THE AWARDS GIVEN OUT AT THE QUALIFIERS. INTERESTING HEY!!!
I QUESS WE HAVE TO MAKE ENOUGH TO GIVE OUT THE FREE RINGS FOR TOC AND THIS WORLD TOURNEY.
Sept. 18, 2012
JamesLG
304 posts


It is not about the $695, it is about playing teams from all over the country and having a blast. I sent the check in for our club and felt like it was a bargin just because we will be playing teams we rarely if ever see at a great place to place ball.

James
Sept. 18, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
JamesLG,
That is one side of the coin (players) other side is the business end, Profit.
Sept. 18, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1006 posts
Did I forget to mention the Cool all tourney patches.. :0
Sept. 19, 2012
ShaneV
Men's 55
382 posts
I don't have any specific details to defend SSUSA or the
price of this particular tournament, or any others for that
matter however there is this, referring to the "non-profit"
status. Imagine if SSUSA also had to make a profit for it's
owners, pay income tax and charge sales tax. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think "profit" comes into play here.
Salaries - yes, per diem - yes, a few perks - maybe yes,
bonuses - maybe yes, profit - I don't think so:

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Sept. 19, 2012
southernson
261 posts
ShaneV,
You are sadly mistaken if it's about the "love" of the game in it's entireity.

Profit has become quite the thing in Senior softball. It's obvious you don't write any checks for entry fees..or hotels, or food, or transportation, or....the list goes on.

Is it hard to make profit disappear in the form of expenses or reserves? Ask an accountant that question and watch them laugh...

SSUSA does a good job. But $695 is just the beginning...
Sept. 19, 2012
ShaneV
Men's 55
382 posts
I rewpect your opinion southernson and don't expect to
change it any time soon.

I do love the game and ask myself "how much?" each day. I
do, in fact, 25% sponsor a team, travel around WA and
to CA, NV, UT, CO & AZ with that team, pay for flights, gas,
hotel rooms, meals, slots, water, pop, beer (only for K's since I don't drink), etc.

Unlike a non-profit, I do profit, or at least earn wages
directing tournaments and umpiring, and that offsets most
of my softball expenses. I could not afford to travel as
much if I didn't.

I wish I had more details of the books of the big softball
organizations. Until I know for sure we're being "gouged",
I'll continue to defend them.

ShaneV
Sept. 19, 2012
ShaneV
Men's 55
382 posts
respect, not rewpect!
Sept. 19, 2012
stick8
1318 posts
Gidgeon60 I would think everyone is there to win
Sept. 21, 2012
wingfoot
16 posts
THATS OK GUYS, FOR MY $675.00 I GET TO PLAY IN A BRACKET WHERE IF WE'RE
HAVING A REALLLLYYY GOOD WEEKEND WE MIGHT WIN 1 GAME. LOVE THE THE GAME,
BUT DO NOT APPRECIATE THE "ATTITUDE" TOWARDS THE PLAYING LEVEL TEAMS.
I'M VERY SURE THEY WORK VERY HARD IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT I REALLY
DON'T THINK IT'S "ALL ABOUT" THE PLAYERS.
Sept. 21, 2012
southernson
261 posts
ShaneV,
Thanks for the info,appreciate it. OK, you obviously do have some insight to the expense side...I respect that, and your opinion.



Sept. 28, 2012
Ernies 53
Men's 50
23 posts
446 teams at Vegas, 310,000! Not a bad weekend. Lots of costs to cover though.
Sept. 29, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1006 posts
Yep Ernies 53,,, they have a few hundred sweet patches to give out! ;)
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