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Sept. 17, 2012
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Ratings
SSUSA ... A curiosity ... Indiana Legends(AAA)won the Eastern Nationals ... Indiana Legends(AAA)won SPA Worlds ... Indiana Legends re-rated to Major soon after winning SPA ... A week later, Indiana Legends re-rated back to AAA ... Explain???

Thank you
#19
Sept. 17, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1271 posts
The re-ratings for teams that win the SPA Nationals, the ISA Senior Worlds or the LVSSA/SSUSA World Masters take place after the current season and are in effect for the following season. Someone in the SSUSA office inadvertently made the referenced change prematurely, subsequently realized it, and changed it back. That team, and many others, will have their ratings changed in early October for the 2013 Season after the results of the upcoming Las Vegas event are known. The ISA Senior Worlds and the SPA Nationals are already concluded.

Sept. 17, 2012
gott2play
Men's 55
146 posts
#19,
IMO, the Eastern Nationals is a SSUSA sanctioned tourney and winning it is not an automatic bump. SPA is not an SSUSA tourney and winning it wouldn't play into the SSUSA ratings. More importantly, there were only 5 teams in that Eastern Nationals 60AAA bracket.

Tony
Sept. 17, 2012
gott2play
Men's 55
146 posts
I see SSUSA has clarified. My mistake.
Sept. 17, 2012
titanhd
Men's 50
334 posts
#19 Legends also won the ISA World. They've earned everything and are a very good team. Don't worry, with that kind of success they will play Major 2013.
Sept. 17, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
With that kind of success shouldn't they voluntarily play Major next year? What would be the challenge to staying put?
Sept. 18, 2012
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Sounds like sour grapes.....let them enjoy a great season...Ones like they are having are hard to come by......BTW that #23 is a BEAST
Sept. 18, 2012
armiho211
Men's 70
410 posts
SSUSA- in 2011, the wilcatters 70's played in the phoenix championships in october 2011 as a MAJOR TEAM. we went 6-1 , 5 of the wins were by 1 to 3 runs . we were bumped up to MAJOR PLUS immediately. we went to the LAS VEGAS WINTER NATLS the following month ( nov ) as a MAJOR PLUS TEAM. we were the only MAJOR PLUS team there. there were 5 MAJOR teams and we had to give 5 runs to the major teams. i think we won one game. SSUSA- IF YOUR EXPLANATION TO #19 ABOVE IS CORRECT, THEN WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR CASE???? not that it makes any differenece at this point, just needed to see your response to our situation ??
Sept. 21, 2012
wingfoot
16 posts
ARMIHO, TRUST ME, THEY WILL HAVE A GOOD REASON. :) THEY GIVEN ME GOOD REASONS
FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS!
Sept. 21, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
armiho brings up an interesting point. If only five runs makes the difference between a Major+ team and Major teams, then the difference is so small that the two should be combined. Guys, five runs is just not many.
Sept. 21, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
5 runs makes a huge difference... you are wrong once again! MR 46/36
Sept. 21, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
If five runs is "a huge difference" the senior game is more of a mess than even I give it credit for. 80% of those runs can be obtained with one swing of the bat. 100& of them can be saved with one timely defensive play or one key pitch.

So if you get beat by five you feel like your team was beaten badly? Like you had no chance, were never in the game?

I thought you were beyond saying dumb things. My bad.
Sept. 21, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
I play and have given up 5 runs all year and it cost us 2 tourneys this year.. so I speak out of experience and not out of my Ass crack like you MR 46/36!
Sept. 21, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Nothing like trying to use exceptions to prove a rule. Just doesn't work that way.

ONE run can cost a game or tourney. So that is a "huge difference" too?

And you failed to answer my two simple questions.
Sept. 21, 2012
boston
306 posts
Swing; I can see Gary19's point on the 5 runs. I look at it this way. If my team were down 5 runs would we give up, of course not. I'm not saying your team is giving up. I'm just saying maybe look at the 5 runs differently. We're down 5 so lets keep up and catch them in the end. Unless a team is scoring 5+ the 1 every inning the opportunity to catch up is there every inning. Just my thoughts.
Sept. 21, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
Boston, he has a point.. He always has a point. I just don't agree with it.. We are giving runs in leagues we are giving runs in North Cal.. and to say that they don't mean much and what's the difference is just BS.. It means something to everyone involved.. I know that it cost my team two Tourneys in games we lost by one.. We would of won the game straight up by 4 and won two Tourneys... So, to say it isn't that much is just not true! IMO
Sept. 21, 2012
Tim Millette
498 posts
Five run limts does help keep games close when there are two teams "kinda" close talent wise.... It's meaningless when there is a big divide in talent.

Swings team has been one of the loud voices complaining about not getting or giving up to many runs in NorCal over the last couple years.

One of the events Swings team was supposed to give up runs and face an extra defensive player.... His barons team complained so much they got part I the handicap they were suppose to give up...
Sept. 21, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Five runs don't mean much, it is a pretty small number. If both the associations and apparently the players believe that five runs is an equalizer, then the difference between the two classifications might not be significant enough to keep them seperate.

swing, ONCE AGAIN, one run has meant the difference between winning and losing so is that a "huge difference" too? Exceptions don't prove anything, never have and never will.
Sept. 21, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
I'm all for no runs or players either way... I don't care if they combined major and major plus... it's fun to knock off the top dog.. As we did with 12 angry men against JK INC in the 40s... I personally like a good challenge.. not everyone thinks the same! I am just pointing out that 5 run spot is a huge difference in winning and losing.... will there be instances where it's no big deal because the higher ranked team just rolled, Of course, but my higher ranked team has lost because of the spot of runs and it is a huge difference to us.. I don't complain about it, but do know it does make a difference!
Sept. 21, 2012
boston
306 posts
Swing; I agree w/ your point of no runs given. Go out play your best and let the cards fall where they may. In my league we have 16 teams with mixed age and skill levels. Some of the teams are tourney teams some just guys playing league. We do not give runs or xtra players unless 50 or 55 aged team w/ AAA or major players on it, is playing a 60+ team. We go out play hard and that's it 50AAA teams play 55AAA, 50AAA play 55AA doesn't matter, we ask for nothing and just play. In most cases the teams will play the higher level teams HR rule of 3 then 1 up. Major v Major +, AAA v Major no runs not that big a difference. Pick a HR rule both teams can agree on.
Sept. 22, 2012
wingfoot
16 posts
SURE ITS FUN TO KNOCK OFF A HIGHER RATED TEAM, HOW OFTEN
IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN, EVEN WITH 5RUNS.
WE ALL PLAY THIS GAME FOR THE LOVE OF IT AND THE
LEAGUES KNOW WE WILL CONTINUE TO COME BECAUSE OF THAT.
AS MANAGERS WE HAVE A RESPONSIBLITY TO OUR PLAYERS TO
TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR MONEY
AND TIME IN A EFFORT THAT AT LEAST HAS A CHANCE
OF BEING SUCESSFUL. THAT IS WHY I PERSONALLY PUSH TO MAKE SURE MY TEAM IS RATED PROPERLY.
Sept. 22, 2012
36
12 posts
L look at the Major + teams playing in Las Vegas at how few teams are playing in a National Tourney. The 75's for example have eliminated the Major + division and now 8 or more teams per National. 70's Major + have 4 teams. The homerun rule, ratings, player eligibility rules, etc. Teams can't match power and money except in lower age group where more teams are playing. The Major + divisions of 10 hrs per team and supply your own balls and $600 entryfees don't flt.
Sept. 23, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
36, SSUSA said they were going to bring more teams into Major+ a couple of years ago, but did nothing. I shouldn't say nothing, they made it even MORE difficult to compete by raising HR and runs per inning limits. They also now allow Major+ teams to recruit players outside their borders when Major teams can't while combining divisions in most tournaments. It makes no sense at all, what team would want to move up to the Major+ division?

Even within the division there is a big gap as the "dynasty" teams (as Tim calls them) with all their money are allowed to win year after year. I not in favor of automatic break ups, but some rules have to be toned down if there is any chance that any other teams than what there are now will allow themselves to be rated Major+.
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