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Discussion: pick up a player

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Sept. 20, 2012
gamer23
3 posts
pick up a player
can a major team pick up 1 player from a state that does not border it?
Sept. 20, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1008 posts
No (unless that player has a valid "Snowbird" card for the domicile state of the team)
Sept. 20, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
SSUSA chart for the merger shows LVSSA rule for bird poop rule was a NO and adapted by SSUSA.
Sept. 20, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
That was M+ did not have M rule on that this must be one of those very iffy deals.
Sept. 20, 2012
SSUSA Staff
1008 posts
There is nothing "iffy" about the rule. Major Plus (only), ages 50+ through 65+, may draw up to two (2) out of region players, East/West of the Mississippi River, for their roster and may NOT have Snowbird players. The converse is true for Major, AAA and AA teams, ages 50+ through 65+. They may NOT have out of region players, but MAY have snowbird players. The question was asked about at Major team, and the reply given is correct.
Sept. 20, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
I'll agree to disagree on that mainly because in far too many T's they play against each other as do AAA \AA up and down. While they may play under the lower ataing rule I do not know if birds will fly then after all it is Dove season. :>0
Vegas may be an exception because of the fantastic turnout. iffy=exceptions as it were.
Sept. 21, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
Another reason why Major+ teams should not be allowed two out of region players. How many times because of lack of numbers in tournaments does Major+ play against Major? A lot! So the Major+ teams can draw from anywhere and the Major teams can not? Ridiculous! The gap is wider than ever! No wonder no one wants to play Major+.

Drop this rule for EVERYONE!
Sept. 21, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Jawood, you read my mind.
Sept. 21, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
It appears you guys just want a level playing field for everyone. Makes sense.

There would be another way to do this. Allow everyone to pick up whoever they want from wherever they want. So either let no one, or let everyone, equal for all either way.
Sept. 22, 2012
donll
55 posts
Taits and Jawood,
I'm not sure of the effect the out of region pick up has on the major plus division, since this is the first year they have had the rule, and they haven't played the World Series yet. I guess Vegas might give some insight to that.

I would however, argue to let Major teams pick up out of region players (although some would argue they can already do this through the snowbird rule). This would make them stronger and enhance the possibility of them making the move to major plus.

Also, I saw that the Coors team out of Illinois is playing in the 50 major world series. I thought they won that a couple of years ago. Did they ever play in the Major Plus World series after that?
Sept. 22, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Not sure if your correct on the 1st year in effect part, but I'll go with that in replying on this. I only see a down side with this with only one release being allowed... If the mgr does it.
I see M+ as mostly FULLY sponsored teams. Not all but most.
I have talked to players in the past on them and some were paid to play. Bounty on HR's and all. Quite frankly in a way I don't blame them, it just adds to the 'fun' they have. :>0
The snowbird thing is lucrative for them. Get the best to play the best. Who's going to say anything about the time of year is should have actually been intended for. Say month to which month.

My thought on the snowbird is: 1. that either specific months and\or tournament(s) should be listed where they can be used. 2. If a team that has one or two (what ever is allowed) they may NOT play if that team is playing in a mixed bracket.

Exceptions for this or that are always a factor, but not in writing. After all it might get another team into the pool or keep them out.
Too bat the M+ can't have their own assn w\separate events and places. If it weren't for the mixed brackets these would be good for them, as such.
JMO
Sept. 23, 2012
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
If an out of region Major+ player had to sit ANYTIME he played against a Major team, he would be sitting 95% of the time. Most tournament are mixed. So why not get rid of the rule altogether? I would have to disagree with you a bit on Major+ teams fully sponsored, taits, I would say a couple.

I don't think the out of region player and a snowbird is an equal deal. How many snowbirds are 50-55? I would think that would start coming more into play at 60+. So really at the younger ages, the teams with the money are the one's bringing in the ringers.



Sept. 23, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
I've got a few years :>) more in this, unless you are one of the few like Einstein, that is my age, and still plays 50 M+.

But yes I see your point... Sitting wasn't my goal for mixed brackets. Not allowing them on event roster, when they know ahead of time IS part of it.
Doing away with mixed brackets is a goal. Moving teams up or down after more that what they even think about now is another. With that in mind, why not for all the TOC event winners here and the assn ratings in other assn's they 'use' for it.
Would still agree not for the thin brackets of 3 or less, but moving teams up or down might help there as well. You don't know until you try.
Still believe there are too many events partly responsible for thin brackets as well. Look at the number of teams in attendance for past events. Some have less than two to 5 dozen teams. Brackets there are mixed and some with only one, two or three teams in it. Try filling 50 to just 65's with 2-4 rating levels...NOT going to happen. If your lucky, you might get one with 6 teams.
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